How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[Douggg]

Or they were Chinese, or British. It doesn't say what race/religion they are.

Chinese, British, etc. are nationalities. Differently, being a Jew is about lineage. In Judaism, a Jew is a person who's mother is a Jew.

"God of his fathers" is a phrase meaning the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

God speaking to Moses from the burning bush...

Exodus 3:

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

 

[Douggg]

But there's nothing mentioned in scripture to say EU. Its purely applying headlines to scripture. Its supposition.

In the vision Daniel had in Daniel 8, the little horn waxed exceeding great to the south and east, toward the pleasant land. Waxed exceeding great means like wax flows he headed from the direction that was north and west of Israel with a strong army. From what is now the EU.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The vision of the little horn's actions, Gabriel informed Daniel in Daniel 8:17 will be for the time of the end.

Daniel was astonished by the vision, but he nor anyone else he shared it with understood it.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

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Now we go to Daniel 9.

Daniel encountered Gabriel again in Daniel 9.

Which Gabriel said to Daniel in Daniel 9:23 to consider the vision (the one Gabriel spoke to Daniel about in Daniel 8 concerning Daniel's vision about the little horn).

Daniel 9:
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

That 70 weeks (of years) would take place involving Daniel's people and the holy city of Jerusalem. And as part of that 70 weeks (of years), the vision (concerning the little horn) and prophecy about him (the little horn) would be fulfilled. The little horn person is the prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26 who will initiate the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 by confirming the covenant for the designated 7 year period.

 

[ewq1938]

Chinese, British, etc. are nationalities. Differently, being a Jew is about lineage. In Judaism, a Jew is a person who's mother is a Jew.

"God of his fathers" is a phrase meaning the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Again, the context says nothing at all about the person's fathers as being Jewish. "God of his fathers" is not something that can only be used about Jewish people.

 

[Douggg]

Again, the context says nothing at all about the person's fathers as being Jewish. "God of his fathers" is not something that can only be used about Jewish people.

In Matthew 22:23-32 when the Sadducees who claimed there is no resurrection tried to debate Jesus,
Jesus also cited what God told Moses, in Exodus 3:5-6.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

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In a phrase search in the kjv bible, there are 6 instances which the phrase "God of his fathers" is found. All 6 instances applied to the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

GOD OF HIS FATHERS IN THE BIBLE

See 'God of his fathers' instances in the King James Version (KJV).

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Wish-it]

In the vision Daniel had in Daniel 8, the little horn waxed exceeding great to the south and east, toward the pleasant land. Waxed exceeding great means like wax flows he headed from the direction that was north and west of Israel with a strong army. From what is now the EU.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

The vision of the little horn's actions, Gabriel informed Daniel in Daniel 8:17 will be for the time of the end.

Daniel was astonished by the vision, but he nor anyone else he shared it with understood it.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

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Now we go to Daniel 9.

Daniel encountered Gabriel again in Daniel 9.

Which Gabriel said to Daniel in Daniel 9:23 to consider the vision (the one Gabriel spoke to Daniel about in Daniel 8 concerning Daniel's vision about the little horn).

Daniel 9:
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

That 70 weeks (of years) would take place involving Daniel's people and the holy city of Jerusalem. And as part of that 70 weeks (of years), the vision (concerning the little horn) and prophecy about him (the little horn) would be fulfilled. The little horn person is the prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26 who will initiate the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 by confirming the covenant for the designated 7 year period.



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Great to see someone who sees Dan 8 as prophetic future. Dan 8.17,19,26 is so straight forward. The time of the end.
I disagree with your version of the north. There's many scriptures portraying its origins but out of the north come the king of Assyria, and the Assyrians, the king of Assyria is the Anti Christ in scripture, the one with the fatal wound. Isa 14.24-27. Nahum 3.18+, Zeph 2.13+, Zech 11.15+.
No issue with Dan 9.26 etc
So the north to me is a narrower focus, in the middle eastern region not to the west including Europe.

 

[ewq1938]

In a phrase search in the kjv bible, there are 6 instances which the phrase "God of his fathers" is found. All 6 instances applied to the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

5 are, the 6th one does not have the same context and does not guarantee to have the same meaning.

 

[Keiw]

Daniel 7:7-8 refers to the fourth beast coming out of the sea that Daniel saw in his dream. It was the Roman Empire.

The beast had ten horns (ten kings), which a little horn came up amongst, and plucked up three of the first (ten) horns. Since there are ten kings that will rule with little horn beast-king for one hour (42 months), we can reason that the three original kings removed were replaced with three other kings.

The little horn person himself goes through 5 stages on the way to meeting his end when Jesus returns.



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The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man.

 

[Douggg]

The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man.

I don't understand your logic.

 

[ewq1938]

The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man.

The AC is a man, either a human man or angelic man. The mark is somehow related to the number of his name.

Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Rev_15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 

[Keiw]

I don't understand your logic.

The AC is a man, either a human man or angelic man. The mark is somehow related to the number of his name.

Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Rev_15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

The mark= mental and physical support.

 

[Douggg]

The mark= mental and physical support.

Kelw, in your post #447 you stated.... "The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man."

What is your basis that the Antichrist will not be a man ?

 

[Keiw]

Kelw, in your post #447 you stated.... "The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man."

What is your basis that the Antichrist will not be a ma

Kelw, in your post #447 you stated.... "The Antichrist will not be a man. Its the NUMBER of a man. NUMBER is the key, not man."

What is your basis that the Antichrist will not be a man ?

Beasts are associated with world powers in Daniel. Or could be things in power positions--Like--govt-6----- false religionsssssssssss-6------ the commercial system-6--In the numbers of men 7= complete= Gods kingdom promises---thus 6 falls short and cannot solve mans problems. They all claim to have the best path to happiness, only Gods kingdom will accomplish it. So in many ways all 3 of those stand in opposition to Gods appointed king.

 

[Keiw]

The AC is a man, either a human man or angelic man. The mark is somehow related to the number of his name.

Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Rev_15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

See post 452

 

[ewq1938]

The mark= mental and physical support.

Doesn't say that. Just says those who have the mark on one of two places may buy and sell.

 

[Earburner]

No, you see my post #148.

I did. Unfortunately you forgot that for all of time, there are to be only four Beasts that shall rule on the earth. We are STILL living under the rule of the 4th Beast, which has evolved numerous times since the literal Roman Empire. It's last stage of evolving will be in the form of a Global Economic Empire.
Again, please see my post 143, and also 145.

 

[Keiw]

Doesn't say that. Just says those who have the mark on one of two places may buy and sell.

is buy and sell---sanctions?

 

[ewq1938]

is buy and sell---sanctions?

No.

 

[ewq1938]

I did. Unfortunately you forgot that for all of time, there are to be only four Beasts that shall rule on the earth. We are STILL living under the rule of the 4th Beast, which has evolved numerous times since the literal Roman Empire. It's last stage of evolving will be in the form of a Global Economic Empire.
Again, please see my post 143, and also 145.

Daniel did not describe the 4th beast as evolving as you speak of, nor being in power over a long period of time. He did say the first 3 beasts live beyond the 4th beasts destruction, which of course cannot apply to Rome and any 3 kingdoms it surpassed/conquered. The 4th beast is not Rome or the RCC.

 

[Keiw]

No.

And you know this how???? Since its the perfect fit.

 

[Earburner]

Daniel did not describe the 4th beast as evolving as you speak of, nor being in power over a long period of time. He did say the first 3 beasts live beyond the 4th beasts destruction, which of course cannot apply to Rome and any 3 kingdoms it surpassed/conquered. The 4th beast is not Rome or the RCC.

There are seven phases of the 4th Beast that has 10 horns:

In 509 BC. the 4th beast began as the
1. Roman Republic, then in 27 BC it evolved into the
2. Roman Empire. From there it then evolved into a division of two manifestations, being the
3. Western [Rome] Empire and also the
4. Eastern [Constantinople] Empire.
Both of which today are
5. Europe with the
6. Roman Catholic church as being self appointed overseers.
7. Is still in process, but is in the final stage of development of it's last phase, which is the Global Economic Empire.
The full measure of the 4th beast with 10 horns is seen in Rev. 13:1-4, which is also known as the "Composite beast".