How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[ewq1938]

Where does it say its on a personal level?

Rev 13.

The same at Rev 13--Makes fire come down out of the heavens--Is that bombs-missiles? John had no idea what a bomb or missile was.

It's fire from heaven not missiles.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, in the middle of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

When Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years - I agree.

His angels though, it does not say that they are cast into the bottomless pit, nor released at the end of the 1000 years for a short time like Satan will be.

Therefore - I think that when Jesus returns, Satan's angels will be cast into the lake of fire as the false prophet and beast-king will be in Revelation 19:20.

Sorry Douggggg, your reading comprehension is showing that you have some problems.

Jay, in the middle of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

Where does Rev 12 tell us that in the middle of the 7 years, which I assume is the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, that Satan will be cast down to the earth. However, Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts will be imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment. Yes Rev 12:7-9 does tell us that Satan and His angels will be cast down to the earth, and Isaiah 24:22 tells us that they are then immediately imprisoned in a pit, namely the Bottomless Pit.

When Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years - I agree.

I disagree with your understanding as this is not stated in the scriptures. Jesus does not return in our near future to cast Satan into the pit for 1,000 years. Rev 20:1-3 clearly states that it is an Angel that binds Satan in a chain and locks him up in the Bottomless pit.

Rev 20:1-3: - 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

His angels though, it does not say that they are cast into the bottomless pit, nor released at the end of the 1000 years for a short time like Satan will be.

But Revelation does tell us that the Beast, the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth all rise up out of the pit before they go into the Lake of fire.

Therefore - I think that when Jesus returns, Satan's angels will be cast into the lake of fire as the false prophet and beast-king will be in Revelation 19:20.

Please clearly state the scripture reference that confirms this claim.

 

[Douggg]

Where does Rev 12 tell us that in the middle of the 7 years, which I assume is the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, that Satan will be cast down to the earth.

Revelation 12:6 the 1260 days is the first half of the 7 years. After Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9, Satan will have a time, times, half time left, Revelation 12:14.

Revelation 12:6 then Revelation 12:7-9 then Revelation 12:14.

 

[Douggg]

I disagree with your understanding as this is not stated in the scriptures. Jesus does not return in our near future to cast Satan into the pit for 1,000 years.

I don't know what you mean by near future. But the parable of the fig tree generation indicates that Jesus will return before the end of 2037.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't know what you mean by near future. But the parable of the fig tree generation indicates that Jesus will return before the end of 2037.

Not true from what I understand.

 

[Jay Ross]

Revelation 12:6 the 1260 days is the first half of the 7 years. After Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9, Satan will have a time, times, half time left, Revelation 12:14.

Revelation 12:6 then Revelation 12:7-9 then Revelation 12:14.

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From Daniel 9:26b, the war in heaven lasted for two ages until Satan and His Angels will be kicked out of heaven, in around 20 years' time, down to the face of the earth where they will be gathered with the judged kings of the earth and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their judgement.

Now we are also told that after the angels are judged for their acts as the beasts of the fields, that the son of man comes before the Ancient of Days and He is given dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

Being given dominion over the peoples of the earth by God does not indicate that the Son of Man, i.e. Christ, will exercise His dominion from the face of the earth for 1,000 years, as you are suggesting in around 20 years' time.

 

[Douggg]

From Daniel 9:26b, the war in heaven lasted for two ages until Satan and His Angels were kicked out of heaven down to the face of the earth where they will be gathered with the judged kings of the earth and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their judgement.

Jay, your interpretation not agree with Revelation 12. In Revelation 12:6 there are 1260 days of Israel being fed the word of God before Satan and his angels being cast down to earth. Then only a time/time/half time will Satan have left.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 is the same 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 of the two witnesses testifying about Jesus.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, your interpretation not agree with Revelation 12. In Revelation 12:6 there are 1260 days of Israel being fed the word of God before Satan and his angels being cast down to earth. Then only a time/time/half time will Satan have left.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 is the same 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 of the two witnesses testifying about Jesus.

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Douggggggggg, your diagram does not reflect the text found in Daniel 12, nor does it reflect the timeline found in Rev 12.

You are clutching at straws still not knowing the truth of the matter.

 

[Douggg]

Douggggggggg, your diagram does not reflect the text found in Daniel 12, nor does it reflect the timeline found in Rev 12.

You are clutching at straws still not knowing the truth of the matter.

Daniel 12 ? Jay, you were citing Daniel 9:26b regarding Satan being cast down to earth. Although there is no basis in Daniel 9:26b regarding Satan being cast down to earth.

My time line chart of Revelation 12 is correct. You have not posted your own timeline chart of Revelation 12.

 

[Keiw]

Rev 13.






It's fire from heaven not missiles.

Men cannot make fire come down from the heavens. They can cause fire by dropping bombs and missiles.

 

[Jay Ross]

Daniel 12 ? Jay, you were citing Daniel 9:26b regarding Satan being cast down to earth. Although there is no basis in Daniel 9:26b regarding Satan being cast down to earth.

Thanks for pointing out my error in a previous post. I have gone back and corrected my clumsy statement as to when Satan will be kicked out of heaven. Here is the part that I have corrected: -

From Daniel 9:26b, the war in heaven lasted for two ages until Satan and His Angels will be kicked out of heaven, in around 20 years' time, down to the face of the earth where they will be gathered with the judged kings of the earth and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their judgement.

I hope that this clears up your misunderstanding of what I was trying to state.

My time line chart of Revelation 12 is correct. You have not posted your own timeline chart of Revelation 12.

4 BC: -

Christ was born, and the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers during the third and fourth ages of the Israelites begins and will last for two ages.​

The Little Horn ramps up His trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts for another two generation/ages.​

2044AD: -

God walking contrary to Israel ends and He will then begin to gather the Israelites to Himself and will plant them in His fertile soil of His field and will teach them on the religion of Israel.​

God judges the Kings of the earth at Armageddon and the heavenly hosts in heaven and gather them together on the face of the earth to imprison them in the Bottomless pit for a period of 1,000 years.​

God keeps His promised Covenant of peace with Israel by removing the Beasts of the field from the face of the earth.​

The Son of Man comes before the Ancient of Day and is given a kingdom and dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.​

Christ Priestly Rule for 1,000 years with the Saint that are a part of the first resurrection, begins in Heaven.​

3044 AD: -

The Bottomless pit where the Judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts were imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment is unlocked and they are released of a Little While period which will last for around 24 years during which time Satan will initially go after the Israelites because they no longer wanted Satan to be their master/father over them for a time before Satan and the beast and the Little Horn/False prophet will go after the rest of God's Saints. During this time period Satan will lead an army over the face of the earth during a period of great tribulation while coming to Jerusalem for his/their last acts before they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.​

3068 AD:-

The beast and the false prophet will be captured and dispatched into the lake of fire. After this Satan will be captured and also dispatched into the Lake of Fire.​

Then Christ will come in all of His Glory with the heavenly Hosts and the second resurrection will take place with some inheriting the whole earth while the rest will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire​

After this the earth will be cleansed, and the Heavens and the Earth will be refreshed/renewed and the age of Eternity will begin.

Now I do not need to generate a diagram like your demand. I do not believe that your simplified diagram does not shows a good representation of Rev 12 as Rev 12 has gaps hidden within its text which you have not shown but are implied.

Plese note that in the listing of events above, I have not included every event that will take place and that the listing of events can be padded out with more detail to provide a fuller picture of what will unfold in our near and distant future.

 

[Douggg]

Now I do not need to generate a diagram like your demand. I do not believe that your simplified diagram does not shows a good representation of Rev 12 as Rev 12 has gaps hidden within its text which you have not shown but are implied.

Jay, you did not relate the verses of Revelation 12 to your list of dates (4 BC, 2044 AD, 3044 AD, 3068 AD) . How do you get 2044 AD, 3044 AD, 3068 AD from what is written in Revelation 12 ?

Go back and make a list of the verses of Revelation 12 and show how the dates and comments you listed have any thing to do with Revelation 12.

Here, I will give my example....explaining the verses. Read the verses from your bible, as I go through my explanation of the verses.

Revelation 12:1-5 is a vision John saw of Jesus being born to the woman (Israel) and Satan's attempt to have Jesus killed as soon as he was born. Which historically happened when Herod ordered all the children under the age of 2 be killed.

Verse 5 is Jesus born and caught up to God and to God's throne. Destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Revelation 12:6 jumps to the end times, when Israel, the woman, has returned to the land, but still in unbelief that Jesus is the messiah. And for 1260 days, Israel will be fed the Word of God - by the two witnesses, of Revelation 11:3, those 1260 days.
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Revelation 12:7-9 after the 1260 days, there will be a war in the second heaven which Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

Revelation 12:10 the Jews at that time finally turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation. Satan will have been accusing them of their unbelief for the 1260 days that the Jews will mistakenly think the Antichrist is their messiah

Revelation 12:11 the Jews will overcome all Satan's accusations by believing upon the blood of the Lamb as atonement for their sins. And the Jews will testify about Jesus and the gospel of salvation. Even though many will be killed for their testimony.

Revelation 12:12 because Satan has been cast down to earth with just a short time left to his power, them in heaven rejoice about his coming demise. But to them on earth, Satan's wrath at being cast down will be the third woe to the inhabiters of earth as said in Revelation 8:13.

Revelation 12:13 Satan will take his wrath out on Israel and begin to persecute Israel.

Revelation 12:14 The Jews in Judea will flee into the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation statue image set up and indwelt by Satan. There in the wilderness, the Jews will be protected for the remaining time/times/half time that Satan will have left.

Revelation 12:15 Satan will make attempts to destroy the Jews in their mountain sanctuary.

Revelation 12:16 But God will supernaturally thwart all attempts by Satan to persecute the Jews who had fled into the mountains.

Revelation 12:17 Satan, not able to get to the Jews in the mountains, will persecute the remaining Jews who did flee to the mountains right away, as Jesus told them to do in Matthew 24:15-21. Those Jews who Satan will have access to persecute, Jesus will rescue when Jesus returns to Jerusalem in Zechariah 14.

 

[Keiw]

Thanks for pointing out my error in a previous post. I have gone back and corrected my clumsy statement as to when Satan will be kicked out of heaven. Here is the part that I have corrected: -



I hope that this clears up your misunderstanding of what I was trying to state.



4 BC: -

Christ was born, and the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers during the third and fourth ages of the Israelites begins and will last for two ages.​

The Little Horn ramps up His trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts for another two generation/ages.​

2044AD: -

God walking contrary to Israel ends and He will then begin to gather the Israelites to Himself and will plant them in His fertile soil of His field and will teach them on the religion of Israel.​

God judges the Kings of the earth at Armageddon and the heavenly hosts in heaven and gather them together on the face of the earth to imprison them in the Bottomless pit for a period of 1,000 years.​

God keeps His promised Covenant of peace with Israel by removing the Beasts of the field from the face of the earth.​

The Son of Man comes before the Ancient of Day and is given a kingdom and dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.​

Christ Priestly Rule for 1,000 years with the Saint that are a part of the first resurrection, begins in Heaven.​

3044 AD: -

The Bottomless pit where the Judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts were imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment is unlocked and they are released of a Little While period which will last for around 24 years during which time Satan will initially go after the Israelites because they no longer wanted Satan to be their master/father over them for a time before Satan and the beast and the Little Horn/False prophet will go after the rest of God's Saints. During this time period Satan will lead an army over the face of the earth during a period of great tribulation while coming to Jerusalem for his/their last acts before they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.​

3068 AD:-

The beast and the false prophet will be captured and dispatched into the lake of fire. After this Satan will be captured and also dispatched into the Lake of Fire.​

Then Christ will come in all of His Glory with the heavenly Hosts and the second resurrection will take place with some inheriting the whole earth while the rest will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire​

After this the earth will be cleansed, and the Heavens and the Earth will be refreshed/renewed and the age of Eternity will begin.

Now I do not need to generate a diagram like your demand. I do not believe that your simplified diagram does not shows a good representation of Rev 12 as Rev 12 has gaps hidden within its text which you have not shown but are implied.

Plese note that in the listing of events above, I have not included every event that will take place and that the listing of events can be padded out with more detail to provide a fuller picture of what will unfold in our near and distant future.

Far fetched. I see little of what you reasoned in Gods bible.

 

[ewq1938]

Men cannot make fire come down from the heavens.

Men who can perform miracles can.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[Douggg]

Men who can perform miracles can.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I think one of the things to consider is the false prophet's miracles will involve Satan (and maybe his angels) taking part in the deceptions.

 

[Douggg]

Men cannot make fire come down from the heavens. They can cause fire by dropping bombs and missiles.

Hi Keiw,

The false prophet will also have power (so-to-speak) to give life to the image of the beast, in Revelation 13:14-15. It is going to be fake because Satan is going to enter the image and make it appear to come to life and speak.

The false prophet's power making fire come down from heaven is also going to be fake because Satan is going to be involved in the deceptions - so called miracles.

 

[Keiw]

Hi Keiw,

The false prophet will also have power (so-to-speak) to give life to the image of the beast, in Revelation 13:14-15. It is going to be fake because Satan is going to enter the image and make it appear to come to life and speak.

The false prophet's power making fire come down from heaven is also going to be fake because Satan is going to be involved in the deceptions - so called miracles.

Your reasoning as is all trinity based religions= darkness=sad.

 

[ewq1938]

I think one of the things to consider is the false prophet's miracles will involve Satan (and maybe his angels) taking part in the deceptions.

Sure. God allows all these things to happen but the point is that miracles will take place by the FP.

 

[Earburner]

The second beast is the false prophet and that is a single man, not nations etc.

Rev. 13
[11] And I beheld another BEAST coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake AS A dragon.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [with 10H];

Rev. 19[20] And the beast [with 10H] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast [with 10H],......

As you can plainly see the symbolic BEAST, having two horns is the false prophet, and IS NOT a man.

 

[Keiw]

Rev. 13
[11] And I beheld another BEAST coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake AS A dragon.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [with 10H];

Rev. 19[20] And the beast [with 10H] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast [with 10H],......

As you can plainly see the symbolic BEAST, having two horns is the false prophet, and IS NOT a man.

In Daniel a horn = a kingdom( country)- In Revelation 2 horns= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power.