How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

[TEXBOW]

@Pearl @GISMYS_7
This thread seems to have run it's course and descended into Catholic Bashing and evasions so I'm out of it.

Mungo, do you think some of these men who were saved in services like this and died storming the beaches or in battle are in hell because they didn't have a chance to be baptized in water? That they didn't get a chance to add any works to their salvation.

 

[Pearl]

No Pearl, that is not the issue. And that is not my point. It is not about church leaders, but about what we learn in scriptures regarding who may be baptized.

The point is, as shown in passages like Acts 8:36-38, that any one who claims and profess to believe in his heart, and confess “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God” and is wanting to be baptized, may be baptized.

Tong
R4802

Oh, okay.

 

[farouk]

In Acts 2, the 3000 were baptized. Not a small number to begin with. No fruit yet.

@Pearl

Tong
R4790

Good to remember that in those days - as in some parts of the world today - the very profession of faith in Christ could immediately lead to persecution.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
In Acts 2, the 3000 were baptized. Not a small number to begin with. No fruit yet.

Good to remember that in those days - as in some parts of the world today - the very profession of faith in Christ could immediately lead to persecution.

Yes. But did you get my point?

May I ask, do you or do you not consider one who profess to believe in his heart and confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, who is not (yet) baptized, a brethren saved by God, unless and until he is baptized?

Tong
R4808

 

[farouk]

Yes. But did you get my point?

May I ask, do you or do you not consider one who profess to believe in his heart and confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, who is not (yet) baptized, a brethren saved by God, unless and until he is baptized?

Tong
R4808

Oh I agree; I don't believe in baptismal regeneration. Acts 2.41.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes. But did you get my point?

May I ask, do you or do you not consider one who profess to believe in his heart and confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, who is not (yet) baptized, a brethren saved by God, unless and until he is baptized?

Oh I agree; I don't believe in baptismal regeneration. Acts 2.41.

You gave me an impression in your post #154, and I quote….

@Pearl Yes, I agree; baptism on demand is too widespread...there needs to be some fruit or sense of genuineness about one's professed conversion.

…. which disagrees with the point I was making.

Tong
R4816

 

[farouk]

I have GISMYS on ignore so haven't seen his posts.

@Pearl I too have used the ignore button for certain sources.

 

[theefaith]

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.

works salvation I see!

you have to believe all he is and all he taught including the necessity of faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 ez 36-25-27 1 pet 3:20-21

 

[Gregory]

So what is the verdict? Must we be baptized or not in order to be saved?

 

[Pearl]

So what is the verdict? Must we be baptized or not in order to be saved?

Not. I wasn't baptised for a number of years after I had been saved and Spirit filled.

 

[theefaith]

Not. I wasn't baptised for a number of years after I had been saved and Spirit filled.

you’re not saved!

baptism is the initiation of the new covenant

no life no grace until you have faith and baptism eph 2 he quickend us or brought to life
Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10
Faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

 

[theefaith]

Saved?

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[Marymog]

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.

I wish it was that easy. Scripture says a whole lot more than just that on what one must do to be saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So what is the verdict? Must we be baptized or not in order to be saved?

If you die in a life of willful defiance of the Lords' commands you will be showing yourself to be nothing but an unbeliever and you will not enter into the kingdom of God. It's not that obeying God's commands has any power in and of itself to save you. It's that obeying God's commands is what the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works looks like. The person who isn't obeying the Lord's commands has to examine themselves if their disobedience is the result of unbelief or not.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.====OOPS!!! Do you think God just forgot to tell us we must be baptized to be saved??? ""OR"" did you read some scripture but not understand what God is saying??
Read again=====Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you die in a life of willful defiance of the Lords' commands you will be showing yourself to be nothing but an unbeliever and you will not enter into the kingdom of God. It's not that obeying God's commands has any power in and of itself to save you. It's that obeying God's commands is what the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works looks like. The person who isn't obeying the Lord's commands has to examine themselves if their disobedience is the result of unbelief or not.

This is what Rome nor most all of the protestant realm no longer knows .
When GOD draws us to CHRIST , HE DRAWS US TO CHRIST . THUS WE HAVE A PURE LOVE FOR OBEDIANCE
unto CHRIST within our hearts .

 

[theefaith]

If you die in a life of willful defiance of the Lords' commands you will be showing yourself to be nothing but an unbeliever and you will not enter into the kingdom of God. It's not that obeying God's commands has any power in and of itself to save you. It's that obeying God's commands is what the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works looks like. The person who isn't obeying the Lord's commands has to examine themselves if their disobedience is the result of unbelief or not.

Explain acts 22/16

 

[theefaith]

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.====OOPS!!! Do you think God just forgot to tell us we must be baptized to be saved??? ""OR"" did you read some scripture but not understand what God is saying??
Read again=====Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13
GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.

more than baptism too

no life no grace until you have faith and baptism eph 2 he quickend us or brought to life
Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10
Faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 ez 37:25-27 He did not forget

 

[amigo de christo]

Explain acts 22/16

Explain this . Beware of men who dress up and have long robes and love the pre eminence of men
and to be called this or that .
THIS is the catholic church . THEY Deck themselves up . the POPES and etc LOVE to be called by their titles
they had folks kissing rings and bowing before them . THIS WAS EVERYTHING JESUS SAID TO BEWARE OF , AND YET YALL FOLLOW THIS PATTERN .
Explain THAT . YOU have the FLOOR , I AM WAITING and ready TO HEAR . EXPLAIN THAT .

 

[theefaith]

Explain this . Beware of men who dress up and have long robes and love the pre eminence of men
and to be called this or that .
THIS is the catholic church . THEY Deck themselves up . the POPES and etc LOVE to be called by their titles
they had folks kissing rings and bowing before them . THIS WAS EVERYTHING JESUS SAID TO BEWARE OF , AND YET YALL FOLLOW THIS PATTERN .
Explain THAT . YOU have the FLOOR , I AM WAITING and ready TO HEAR . EXPLAIN THAT .

What verse are you referring too?