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How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................

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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!

Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
Romans 10:9-10 introduces another requirement to being saved. You must 1) believe with all your heart and 2) confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus. So now we have 2 things we have to do after we believe.

Are you going to ignore Mark 16:16 or rip it out of your bible? Or are you going to acknowledge the words of Jesus and follow his example to be baptized? Now a third (3) requirement to being saved. How many more scriptures add other requirements to be saved? Interesting isn't it.
 

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Baptism alone will not save you, you are right about that.
However, if you believe, but are not baptized, you will not be saved either, per Jesus Christ our Savior. For instance, the scripture in Mark says those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. Belief cannot stand alone, nor can baptism, it is the combination of believing and being baptized that saves you.

You are in error.

Mark 16:16-17 declares that there are five signs that follow those that believe and one of those signs is "baptism" [not water baptism but the water of regeneration, Titus 3:5].

If you already had not known it, baptism means "to wash" that is our sins must be washed away. And every believers sins are washed away!

To God Be The Glory
 

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Baptism alone will not save you, you are right about that.
However, if you believe, but are not baptized, you will not be saved either, per Jesus Christ our Savior. For instance, the scripture in Mark says those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. Belief cannot stand alone, nor can baptism, it is the combination of believing and being baptized that saves you.
Excellent post.
 

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It says BAPTISM DOTH NOW SAVE US.

Your verse is using water symbolically to teach about the real baptism that saves, which is spiritual<.

This is the same as the verse that says....>"Noah was saved by water".

See that verse?
Well, Noah was not saved by water. As the water was the flood that was killing everything that was not in the ark.
So, if Noah had gotten into that water, he would have died.
Do you understand?

What saved Noah and his family FROM the water?
A.) The Ark.
And what is the Ark a symbol of? Its a symbol of THE CROSS that saves us from the JUDGEMENT OF GOD against our sin, = that is the flood that is killing everything that isn't in Noah's ark.
Yet the verse says...>"saved by water".
But this isn't LITERAL...........its symbolic.

So, your verse, "baptism doth now save us".....is not talking about water.
Its talking about spiritual regeneration, that is to be born again by the Holy Spirit.......not the water.
 

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Your verse is using water symbolically to teach about the real baptism that saves, which is spiritual<.

This is the same as the verse that says....>"Noah was saved by water".

See that verse?
Well, Noah was not saved by water. As the water was the flood that was killing everything that was not in the ark.
So, if Noah had gotten into that water, he would have died.
Do you understand?

What saved Noah and his family FROM the water?
A.) The Ark.
And what is the Ark a symbol of? Its a symbol of THE CROSS that saves us from the JUDGEMENT OF GOD against our sin, = that is the flood that is killing everything that isn't in Noah's ark.
Yet the verse says...>"saved by water".
But this isn't LITERAL...........its symbolic.

So, your verse, "baptism doth now save us".....is not talking about water.
Its talking about spiritual regeneration, that is to be born again by the Holy Spirit.......not the water.
The verse symbolizes baptism saves us and CONDEMNS those that ignore it.

Also per Jesus in Mark 16:16.
 

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Baptism alone will not save you, you are right about that.
However, if you believe, but are not baptized, you will not be saved either, per Jesus Christ our Savior. For instance, the scripture in Mark says those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. Belief cannot stand alone, nor can baptism, it is the combination of believing and being baptized that saves you.

mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Ez 36:25-27

A sacrament is an outward efficacious sign instituted by Christ to give grace. Jesus Christ himself is the sacrament, as he gave his life to save mankind. His humanity is the outward sign or the instrument of his Divinity. It is through his humanity that the life of the Trinity comes to us as grace through the sacraments. It is Jesus Christ alone who mediates the sacraments to allow grace to flow to mankind.
Without the outward sign there is no inward grace!

baptism washing
Jn 3:5 Titus 3;5 acts 22:16 1 Per 3:20-21

grace washes the soul of all sin
Original and personal in the Christian sacrament of baptism
 

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Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)










God provides for everything:
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

He is the way we must follow!
He is the truth we must believe!
He is the life, life of grace thru the sacraments of the church in which we must live!
 

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Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!
 

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mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Ez 36:25-27

A sacrament is an outward efficacious sign instituted by Christ to give grace. Jesus Christ himself is the sacrament, as he gave his life to save mankind. His humanity is the outward sign or the instrument of his Divinity. It is through his humanity that the life of the Trinity comes to us as grace through the sacraments. It is Jesus Christ alone who mediates the sacraments to allow grace to flow to mankind.
Without the outward sign there is no inward grace!

baptism washing
Jn 3:5 Titus 3;5 acts 22:16 1 Per 3:20-21

grace washes the soul of all sin
Original and personal in the Christian sacrament of baptism
Baptism is not a sacrament, but a burial.
 
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Ephesians 2.9: 'not of works, lest any many should boast'.

So you believe with all your heart that John 3:16 is the simple gospel truth and profound theology, but not Mark 16:16 in the same bible?
 

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So you believe with all your heart that John 3:16 is the simple gospel truth and profound theology, but not Mark 16:16 in the same bible?
Mark 16.16 does not say that it is the waters of baptism that cause one to become regenerated.

Indeed, in Acts 2.41 it is clear that those who gladly believed his word were baptized because they believed, not supposedly in order to believe.
 
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Mark 16.16 does not say that it is the waters of baptism that cause one to become regenerated.

Indeed, in Acts 2.41 it is clear that those who gladly believed his word were baptized because they believed, not supposedly in order to believe.
Well said farouk.
 

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You are in error.

Mark 16:16-17 declares that there are five signs that follow those that believe and one of those signs is "baptism" [not water baptism but the water of regeneration, Titus 3:5].

If you already had not known it, baptism means "to wash" that is our sins must be washed away. And every believers sins are washed away!

To God Be The Glory
There are many definitions of "baptism". But the one that Christians are aquainted with the most is the idea of being submerged completely by water.
Do you not believe that the waters of baptism are not = to the water of regeneration? To me they are =. The waters of baptism regenerates or washes a degenerated and sinful body. When you come up from the watery grave of baptism or regeneration, you are clean and sinless, ready to do works for Jesus which he has before ordained for you to walk in. Ephesians 2:10

So I am not sure where my error is?
 
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So you believe with all your heart that John 3:16 is the simple gospel truth and profound theology, but not Mark 16:16 in the same bible?
If I may, the verses build on(complement) each other.
 

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Mark 16.16 does not say that it is the waters of baptism that cause one to become regenerated.

Indeed, in Acts 2.41 it is clear that those who gladly believed his word were baptized because they believed, not supposedly in order to believe.
You are right, they were baptized because they believed, not supposedly in order to believe. Nobody that I know has gotten baptized in order to believe (not sure how you got this idea)?

John 3:16 says believe and you are saved. Which is a simple truth and a profound theology. Mark 16:16 says that those who believe and are baptized, will be saved. This too is a simple gospel truth and is a profound theology. So which of the 2 bible scriptures do you not believe?
 

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It is widely accepted that the "longer ending" of Mark was added by a scribe after the Gospel was written, so Mark 16:16 cannot be relied upon as actual Scripture.

Do you believe the following two verses also? " These signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and whatever poison they drink will not harm them; they will place their hands on the sick and they will be well.” Mark 16:17-18

BTW, I live in the part of the world where rattlesnakes live. I will not be picking them up!
 

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If I may, the verses build on(complement) each other.
So is John 3:16 not enough?

Is it necessary to have it's complement, Mark 16:16?

Is it necessary to do what John 3:16 and Mark 16:16 says in order to be saved?

I happen to believe it is.
 

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So is John 3:16 not enough?

Is it necessary to have it's complement, Mark 16:16?

Is it necessary to do what John 3:16 and Mark 16:16 says in order to be saved?

I happen to believe it is.
Yes, here it is...

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life....

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


..an absolute masterpiece of harmonization.
 

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It is widely accepted that the "longer ending" of Mark was added by a scribe after the Gospel was written, so Mark 16:16 cannot be relied upon as actual Scripture.

Yet the later verses were included in the Bible! Why? because the Bible is God's words [2 Peter 1:21].

Those who do not understand how God wrote the Bible does NOT know that God spoke in parables and without a parable He did not speak to them. A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.

Note how we are commanded to teach all nations baptizing them "in" the "name" [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost [three persons, which are plural] Matthew 28:19.

Not water baptism for water baptism is a "works" gospel! Verse 19 is parallel meaning to Mark 16:16

Do you believe the following two verses also? " These signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and whatever poison they drink will not harm them; they will place their hands on the sick and they will be well.” Mark 16:17-18

Below you will find that I believe the spiritual meaning and context of Mark 16:17-18.

These signs shall follow them that believe.

1) In my name shall they cast out devils:
Before becoming saved people were under the dominion of Satan. When we teach/preach the true Gospel and someone becomes saved [faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God], it's as if we cast out devils from them
2) They shall speak with new tongues:
Before becoming saved they spoke the language of the world, English, German, Spanish.... etc. and when they became saved they begin to speak heavenly language and understand the meaning of such words as grace, love, salvation.... etc. whereas they did not before conversion however, they still speak English, German or Spanish.
3)
They will pick up snakes with their hands:
Believers now have power over devils like a snake handler have over snakes.
4) And if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm them:
If they drink the deadly poison of false gospels, it will not harm them for they know the true Gospel.
5)
They shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover:
Has anyone know of a Christian that goes around hospital beds and laying their hands on the sick and they recover from their sickness? Neither do I! Actually, this is speaking about laying hands on an unsaved person and bringing the Gospel to that individual that they might hear the true Gospel and their sin-sicked-soul might be healed.

Scripture dictates that God spoke in parables [Psalms 78:1-4; Mark 4:34; 11-13].

Hence, are the reasons above why some believe Mark 16:9-20 does not belong to the Bible!

But I say, indeed Mark 16:9-20 belongs in the Bible if they only known how God wrote the Bible!!!

To God Be The Glory
 
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Yet the later verses were included in the Bible! Why? because the Bible is God's words [2 Peter 1:21].

Those who do not understand how God wrote the Bible does NOT know that God spoke in parables and without a parable He did not speak to them. A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.

Note how we are commanded to teach all nations baptizing them "in" the "name" [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost [three persons, which are plural] Matthew 28:19.

Not water baptism for water baptism is a "works" gospel! Verse 19 is parallel meaning to Mark 16:16



Below you will find that I believe the spiritual meaning and context of Mark 16:17-18.

These signs shall follow them that believe.

1) In my name shall they cast out devils:
Before becoming saved people were under the dominion of Satan. When we teach/preach the true Gospel and someone becomes saved [faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God], it's as if we cast out devils from them
2) They shall speak with new tongues:
Before becoming saved they spoke the language of the world, English, German, Spanish.... etc. and when they became saved they begin to speak heavenly language and understand the meaning of such words as grace, love, salvation.... etc. whereas they did not before conversion however, they still speak English, German or Spanish.
3)
They will pick up snakes with their hands:
Believers now have power over devils like a snake handler have over snakes.
4) And if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm them:
If they drink the deadly poison of false gospels, it will not harm them for they know the true Gospel.
5)
They shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover:
Has anyone know of a Christian that goes around hospital beds and laying their hands on the sick and they recover from their sickness? Neither do I! Actually, this is speaking about laying hands on an unsaved person and bringing the Gospel to that individual that they might hear the true Gospel and their sin-sicked-soul might be healed.

Scripture dictates that God spoke in parables [Psalms 78:1-4; Mark 4:34; 11-13].

Hence, are the reasons above why some believe Mark 16:9-20 does not belong to the Bible!

But I say, indeed Mark 16:9-20 belongs in the Bible if they only known how God wrote the Bible!!!

To God Be The Glory
Not water baptism for water baptism is a "works" gospel! Verse 19 is parallel meaning to Mark 16:16

This line befuddles me. Are you saying if someone walks into a river and is baptized by immersion in water, (like Jesus did) they are sinning?