How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

[DJT_47]

In other words it's a good thing we have people who can correct the Lord

In other words it's a good thing we have people who can correct the Lord

Yes! We need people who can correct the Lord and his inspired writers because none of them were smart enough to really get their point across necessitating people like on this forum that can restate what the Lord and his writers really were trying to say! Praise God for these truly gifted people!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes! We need people who can correct the Lord and his inspired writers because none of them were smart enough to really get their point across necessitating people like on tjus forum that's restate what the Lord and his writers really were trying to say! Praise God for these truly gifted people!

Yep apparently the Lord needs help explaining Himself

 

[DJT_47]

Yep apparently the Lord needs help explaining Himself

Yes, for sure, but we're fortunate to have these clarifiers here!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Oh yes, there's lots of "clarifiers" here.

Funny how very few of them agree with one another but many "clarifiers" here none the less

 

[Behold]

Your view is that the Biblical writers were NOT being led by the Holy Spirit?

Here is what the Holy Spirit teaches..

= The bible is a spiritual book of : Progressive Revelation.

Its being revealed from Genesis, till the Millennium., and more.

During all this......God never changes, but He changes how he deals with Man.........all through the Bible, that is God's revelation.

For example.....In the OT.........you had no Cross of Christ.......but you had Moses Law..........However, Moses Law was not found in the Garden of Eden.
So, do you see those 3 differences?....... as God was doing something Different, in each case.

So, as the OT was transitioning into the NT, and the New Covenant.......God was revealing How He was setting the Jews aside, for a time.......to deal with the GENTILEs.

We are now in the """time of the Gentiles"""", and God is specifically dealing with the GENTILES......and not the Jews.
God will resume His dealing with the JEW, in the Trib......and we are not in it......we are "in the time of the Gentiles".

So, in the "time of the Gentiles"....that started with Jesus's Crucifixion....the "body of Christ" that is "the NT Church".....begain.

And there is only ONE Apostle who is the """"Apostle to the Gentiles"""...in "the Time of the Gentiles'.....so, His Doctrine.....and His Gospel, is OURS......., and that apostle is not Peter, or any of the original 11.
Its only PAUL.

So, when you see Peter, at the very beginning of the birth of the NT Church......right after Jesus is Risen.....and Peter is preaching "repent and be water baptized"....>>He is preaching the OLD Covenant, Old Testament message for the JEWS.
He is not speaking to the Gentiles.......and that is why we do not have "repent and get wet" as The Gospel that is Given by PAUL.

Paul teaches that "Christ sent me NOT to Water Baptise".....but to """preach The Cross""">.....that is the "Gospel of the Grace of God"......that is "Justification by faith"..and it has no water in it., as Paul is not preaching to the JEW........He's not preaching John the Baptist's "repent".. message.

Paul is preaching.....the Gospel of the GRACE of God that is....>>"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"...
Paul is preaching....>>"not according to our works, but according to God's MERCY, He saved us"...not by water but by "GRACE through Faith".

A.) "Justificaton by Faith"...without works, or law keeping or water baptism.

Paul taught Peter and the other 11 Apostles HIS "Gospel", about 15+yrs after Paul was sent by Jesuis to Preach : "Paul's Gospel".

And Paul's Gospel, as He explains in Galatians 1:8, is the ONLY Gospel, "in the time of the Gentiles".

 

[DJT_47]

Here is what the Holy Spirit teaches..

= The bible is a spiritual book of : Progressive Revelation.

Its being revealed from Genesis, till the Millennium., and more.

During all this......God never changes, but He changes how he deals with Man.........all through the Bible, that is God's revelation.

For example.....In the OT.........you had no Cross of Christ.......but you had Moses Law..........However, Moses Law was not found in the Garden of Eden.
So, do you see those 3 differences?....... as God was doing something Different, in each case.

So, as the OT was transitioning into the NT, and the New Covenant.......God was revealing How He was setting the Jews aside, for a time.......to deal with the GENTILEs.

We are now in the """time of the Gentiles"""", and God is specifically dealing with the GENTILES......and not the Jews.
God will resume His dealing with the JEW, in the Trib......and we are not in it......we are "in the time of the Gentiles".

So, in the "time of the Gentiles"....that started with Jesus's Crucifixion....the "body of Christ" that is "the NT Church".....begain.

And there is only ONE Apostle who is the """"Apostle to the Gentiles"""...in "the Time of the Gentiles'.....so, His Doctrine.....and His Gospel, is OURS......., and that apostle is not Peter, or any of the original 11.
Its only PAUL.

So, when you see Peter, at the very beginning of the birth of the NT Church......right after Jesus is Risen.....and Peter is preaching "repent and be water baptized"....>>He is preaching the OLD Covenant, Old Testament message for the JEWS.
He is not speaking to the Gentiles.......and that is why we do not have "repent and get wet" as The Gospel that is Given by PAUL.

Paul teaches that "Christ sent me NOT to Water Baptise".....but to """preach The Cross""">.....that is the "Gospel of the Grace of God"......that is "Justification by faith"..and it has no water in it., as Paul is not preaching to the JEW........He's not preaching John the Baptist's "repent".. message.

Paul is preaching.....the Gospel of the GRACE of God that is....>>"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"...
Paul is preaching....>>"not according to our works, but according to God's MERCY, He saved us"...not by water but by "GRACE through Faith".

A.) "Justificaton by Faith"...without works, or law keeping or water baptism.

Paul taught Peter and the other 11 Apostles HIS "Gospel", about 15+yrs after Paul was sent by Jesuis to Preach : "Paul's Gospel".

And Paul's Gospel, as He explains in Galatians 1:8, is the ONLY Gospel, "in the time of the Gentiles".

This makes no sense. There is one gospel message and it's consistent for everyone which includes all the scriptures and all the writers, not segregated, nor is one gospel message segregated. Was the Ethiopian eunuch a Jew? I don't think so. He was taught by Philip and Philip's teaching included baptism. Read the text in Acts 8

 

[Behold]

This makes no sense. There is one gospel message

There is Paul's Gospel....
Do you know what it is?
You do not........becasue if you did, you would realize that Paul's Gospel has no /WATER BAPTISM, in it.
It has no "works" in it.
It has no "Commandment keeping, or Law keeping:" in it.

Paul's Gospel is NOT : Acts 2:38?
Its not : Mark 16.

Now read Galatians 1:8......as it tells you that Paul's Gospel is the ONLY Gospel, (in the Time of the Gentiles)..(we are in it).... and Jesus never preached it during His ministry to the JEW......
Paul's Gospel, is "The Cross of Christ"....and Jesus had not died on it, when He was dealing with only the JEW, during His 3.5 years of Minstry.

 

[DJT_47]

There is Paul's Gospel....
Do you know what it is?
You do not........becasue if you did, you would realize that Paul's Gospel has no /WATER BAPTISM, in it.
It has no "works" in it.
It has no "Commandment keeping, or Law keeping:" in it.

Paul's Gospel is NOT : Acts 2:38?
Its not : Mark 16.

Now read Galatians 1:8......as it tells you that Paul's Gospel is the ONLY Gospel, (in the Time of the Gentiles)..(we are in it).... and Jesus never preached it during His ministry to the JEW......
Paul's Gospel, is "The Cross of Christ"....and Jesus had not died on it, when He was dealing with only the JEW, during His 3.5 years of Minstry.

Paul wasn't sent to the Gentiles with a different message he was simply called out for that work mission, like an ambassador. Same message different messenger.

 

[Behold]

Paul wasn't sent to the Gentiles with a different message

Paul was called by JESUS, after Jesus was back in HEAVEN.

Jesus called Paul to become the """""Apostle TO.......the GENTILES":: in the "TIME of the Gentiles" that started with Jesus's Crucifixion.

No other Apostle Has this Ministry.. No other Apostle was given "THE GOSPEL"........ that Paul stated 3x in the NT.....is "MY Gospel" that i received from NO MAN".......

 

[DJT_47]

Paul was called by JESUS, after Jesus was back in HEAVEN.

Jesus called Paul to become the """""Apostle TO.......the GENTILES":: in the "TIME of the Gentiles" that started with Jesus's Crucifixion.

No other Apostle Has this Ministry.. No other Apostle was given "THE GOSPEL"........ that Paul stated 3x in the NT.....is "MY Gospel" that i received from NO MAN".......

Proves absolutely zero or less! Nowhere does it say there is more than one gospel. NOWHERE! You are dreaming a bunch of nonsense. Who was tge 1st to baptize a Gentile? And what message was it, and it did include baptism? Hint: It wasn't Paul.

 

[Behold]

Proves absolutely zero or less! Nowhere does it say there is more than one gospel.

Ok, let me simplify.

Paul said in Galatians 1:8, that""""" if anyone teaches/preaches any OTHER = Gospel.""""""

So, this is Paul explaining that there is more then just one.

Understand?

Also, When Paul met the 11, in Acts 15. He said this..

""""And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them....that GOSPEL that I PREACH among the GENTILES """

See THAT Gospel?

THat is "Paul's Gospel.

And that is not "repent and get water baptized".

 

[DJT_47]

Ok, let me simplify.

Paul said in Galatians 1:8, that""""" if anyone teaches/preaches any OTHER = Gospel.""""""

So, this is Paul explaining that there is more then just one.

Also, When Paul met the 11, in Acts 15. He said this..

""""And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them....that GOSPEL that I PREACH among the GENTILES """

See THAT Gospel?

THat is "Paul's Gospel.

You are delusional

 

[mailmandan]

So, because the inspired NT writers weren't too smart and their language was too simplistic and confusing, it takes someone like you to clarify and restate what they really meant and were trying to say, right? Good thing we got people like you around to clarify the simplistic words of the inspired writers of scripture! Thank the Lord for people like you that can clarify what God's writers wrote because they were too dumb to write what they meant!

It's not about being smart enough to understand God's word. There is more to understanding God's word than simply paper, ink and human intelligence. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14) You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. (2 Timothy 2:15)

 

[DJT_47]

It's not about being smart enough to understand God's word. There is more to understanding God's word than simply paper, ink and human intelligence. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14) You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. (2 Timothy 2:15)

It's not about being smart enough to understand God's word. There is more to understanding God's word than simply paper, ink and human intelligence. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14) You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. (2 Timothy 2:15)

This ain't worth discussing with you. Goodbye

 

[Behold]

You are delusional

The fact that you are completely lost in such a simple NT concept as....."Jesus called Paul to deliever THE Gospel" and Paul said that any other Gospel is false....and He uses the word "cursed'.......in Galatinas 1:8.......simply proves you are not a student of the NT.
So, Start anytime you like.
Start here.

Romans 3:21-18

 

[mailmandan]

This ain't worth discussing with you. Goodbye

Suit yourself. Goodbye.

 

[DJT_47]

The fact that you are completely lost in such a simple NT concept as....."Jesus called Paul to deliever THE Gospel" and Paul said that any other Gospel is false....and He uses the word "cursed'.......in Galatinas 1:8.......simply proves you are not a student of the NT.
So, Start anytime you like.
Start here.

Romans 3:21-18

The fact that you are completely lost in such a simple NT concept as....."Jesus called Paul to deliever THE Gospel" and Paul said that any other Gospel is false....and He uses the word "cursed'.......in Galatinas 1:8.......simply proves you are not a student of the NT.
So, Start anytime you like.
Start here.

Romans 3:21-18

Goodbye

 

[mailmandan]

It does to those that something about baptism View attachment 42895

Yeah, I hear lots of folks claim Jesus lied when He said . . . He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (Mark 16:16)

And many cl;aim Peter was not being led by the Holy Ghost when he said "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38)

Jesus did not lie and Peter was led by the Holy Spirit. You simply misinterpreted those verses.

Did Jesus lie in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? Oops! What happened to baptism? In Mark 16:16 Jesus clarifies the first clause with but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Was Peter led by the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:43-47 when he said - 43 Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”

These Gentiles believed in Him and received forgiveness of sins, along with the gift of the Holy Spirit and this was confirmed by speaking in tongues (spiritual gift that is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism.

 

[DJT_47]

For the record and to correct people that don't understand the scriptures correctly regarding the falling of the Holy Ghost in Acts 2 and 10, these are the only instances where the Spirit fell as such on anyone without the laying on of the apostle's hands, and in both cases it was for a sign from God to validate and authorize what was occurring which in both cases started the church; 1st in Jerusalem amongst the Jews, and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. If you read carefully with the Gentiles event, they were still required ho be baptized and immediately were as were the Jews in Acts 2, except afterwards, but for the same reason: for the forgiveness of sins, to receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, and to become part of the body of Christ which is his church (Acts 2:47). They weren't yet saved, Christians, nor part of the body until they were baptized into it being baptized into Christ's death (Rom 6:3-7).

 

[mailmandan]

For those who are more interested in the truth than they are in accommodating their biased church doctrine, all one needs to do is compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read - whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

Before mentioning baptism in Romans chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16, 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is "imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification" (Romans 4:24,25). So, the old man of sin being crucified with Him, and the new man being raised to walk in newness of life is signified but not procured in water baptism.

Since believers receive the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that justification is by FAITH, not baptism. *Hermeneutics. Justification on account of union in Christ's death, burial and resurrection is brought about "through faith" - and is properly symbolized by immersing the new believer in and out of the water. A symbol is not the reality but is the picture of the reality.