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Reader,

Only the Law, can define your works of the flesh, as a SIN.
So, once Jesus has taken the Law off of the born again...as this.... ""Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law""... because ""Jesus is the END OF THE LAW.. . for Righteousness"".

Now, all the born again are "IN CHRIST"....and there is no Law found there... which means there is no law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed, as a SIN.

Now, where you are having the misunderstanding..., as most Christians are having it also, regarding this revelation, is... when you are taught that The Law can't define you as a sinner,...... then you think......that means that you would not want to do any more carnal deeds.

See that?
However, THat's not how it works.

Here is how it works.
Once you are born again, your mind is still going to, at times.. think about carnal behavior, and you have chosen to do some, READERS, since you were born again.
So, What is the difference?

The Difference, is.. that before you were "Not under the Law, but under Grace".. then the LAW could define your carnality as SINNING.
And now it can't..

See.....now that "Jesus is the END OF THE LAW", and you are born again "in Christ".. then the Law can't define you as a sinner, nor your deeds as sin, ever again.

The born again exist here...

= "Where there is no Law........there is no SIN.. no TRANSGRESSION">..

See that?
That is where the born again exist forever........ and that is what the NT refers to as : "liberty in Christ"..

= "not under the Law......but under Grace".

See it?

So, this means, that when you mess up, and chose it.. chose to do it... then Paul teaches it like this... "Use NOT YOUR LIBERTY, for an occasion to the FLESH".

See that?
Paul does not call that choice to watch some Dirty Netflix Movie, a "sin"... and that is because there is no LAW over the born again, that can define it as a sin...., ever again.
Its carnal, and its flesh, and its wrong..... but "where there is no Law, there is no SIN". There is no Law over the born again that can define them as a sinner and their carnal behavior as sin.

Reader, Salvation produces 2 Situations, regarding "sin".

1.) God never charges sin to a Believer,

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

because their is no justification, because the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) "God hath Made JESUS to BE SIN for US", because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice.. for sin".


See those 2?

They are showing the BORN AGAIN.. that the Law cant judged you as a sinner, nor will God.
This is why the born again all meet God after you die, as your Heavenly FATHER, and not your eternal JUDGE.

Now, why do you have to understand what im showing you and believe it.?
Its because once you do, then the Grace of God, will empower you to live Holy.


Reader, when you understand that you are "made free from sin".."made Righteous", and "not under the Law">.. then this does not cause you to want to live in carnality, it actually empowers you to WANT to live more HOLY and MORE HOLY.
= That is the constant effect of this revelation knowledge.


And until you see what im showing you, and believe it.... then you will think of yourself falsely as a "sinner", and you will resist sin in your willpower, and that caused this to happen to you...

= "the Law is the power of sin, and the power of sin, is the LAW".. .so, you are causing that to enflame your desire to sin, and that makes it worse..

Here is a spiritual principal.. Its the fact that you are not under the Law,.. but, if you "fall from Grace".. if you begin to try to resist sin by willpower, while you try to keep yourself saved, then you are putting yourself in a place, where your carnality will behave as if its under the Law, and you will find it impossible to not commit carnality, or have complete confidence in God's Salvation.

So, you have to come to the revelation that you are made free from sin.......that you are not under the law........and you exist here...


A.) = "where there is no law, there is no sin, no transgression". "IN CHRIST">...

When you "get this revelation" of who you have become, as a "New Creation" "In Christ" ....then the first day of your literal walk of Faith, in the Knowledge of God, has begun.
 
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We're definitely not under the Law of Moses, having died to the Law through our baptism into the death and resurrection of Christ. Nevertheless, we definitely have the Law of Christ to obey in the Spirit, and it comes with a simple commandment which is not burdensome.

[1Jo 3:23 NASB95] 23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.​
[1Jo 5:3 NASB95] 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.​
So, we do have to obey Christ to remain in him, otherwise, we can lose our salvation if we continue in sin.
 

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So, we do have to obey Christ to remain in him, otherwise, we can lose our salvation if we continue in sin.

Your verse does not make a threat about "losing salvation".
So, you put that in there, and you were taught by heretics to think that way..

Let me ask you a question..

Before you trusted in Christ and God accepted you the SINNER... .. had you been "keeping Christ's commandments"?

NOPE.

So, God gave you His Salvation, while you were "yet a sinner".... = while you were not keeping Christ's Commandments..

So, now that you have trusted in Christ, and perhaps are a Christian, you are trying not to lose your Salvation, by performing "commandment keeping" that you never did before, and Yet God Saved you.

Think about that for a min, before you run back in here and try to prove "commandment keeping keeps me saved", l.. .when God SAVED YOU, and you'd never kept "Christ's Commandments".

THINK>
 

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So, you put that in there, and you were taught by heretics to think that way..

Read John 15. There is only one way to remain in Christ, and there is no salvation outside of him. Like you said, THINK.

[Jhn 15:2, 6, 10 NASB95] 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. ... 6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. ... 10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

[Heb 10:26-27 NASB95] 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.​
 

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Listen..

Calvinism as Hyper.. the 5 Points, is teaching that Christ would literally turn people away from His Cross.

That is Satanic theology, and you are teaching it @Ronald Nolette
Hoiw would you know? You can't even post verses to defend you r hypothesis that the bibleical five points of Calvin are wrong!

Nor can you cite Scripture to show why your belief in the five points of Jacob Arminius are truly biblical.

Empty words from an empty soul.
 

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Hoiw would you know? You can't even post verses to defend you r hypothesis that the bibleical five points of Calvin are wrong!

I have done this many times, and many times you pretend i haven't.
So, you are not honest, or you have memory issues.
I say its both.

Now....Listen Carefully...

JOHN 3:16, says that God gave Jesus to the WORLD... and not just to the predestined, elect., as Lying Calvinism the (5) teaches.

Paul said.>>"ALL who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"... He didnt say, "only the predestined can believe and be saved".

Jesus said.. "ALL who believe in me, I give unto you, eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)... but He didnt say.. "all who were predestined i can give eternal life".
 

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Read John 15. There is only one way to remain in Christ, and there is no salvation outside of him. Like you said, THINK.

[Jhn 15:2, 6, 10 NASB95] 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. ... 6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. ... 10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

[Heb 10:26-27 NASB95] 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.​
so is your faith in christ or in self?

You can not have it both ways
 

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so is your faith in christ or in self?

You can not have it both ways
We must have faith in Christ with a living faith. That means obedience is necessary, otherwise faith is dead. This is possible because we have the Holy Spirit. If we're walking by the Spirit, it's not faith in self.
 

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Read John 15. There is only one way to remain in Christ,

The way you remain "IN CHRIST">.. is to be "born again IN CHRIST".

A.) Spiritual Union.... "in Christ".. as "one with God".

See, to become "IN" Christ, is to be born again..

That is how you "get in there", and that is why you remain.
 

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The way you remain "IN CHRIST">.. is to be "born again IN CHRIST".

A.) Spiritual Union.... "in Christ".. as "one with God".

See, to become "IN" Christ, is to be born again..

That is how you "get in there", and that is why you remain.
We're born again by faith, but to remain in Christ is by obedience to Jesus' commandments. You're not acknowledging the scriptures.

If you won't acknowledge what Jesus said, then you don't really believe in him. You just believe your own ideas about him. Stop relying on your own understanding.
 

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We're born again by faith

WE are not born again by "faith". and we are not "born again by water".

We are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT< ...

The REASON that God gives us the "new Birth" is because we gave God OUR Faith, in Christ.... that God requires of us.

So, this Salvation that God gives to the BELIEVER.... is : "GRACE.... through Faith.""""... Its God accepting OUR Faith in Christ to the give to us.,., "The GIFT of Salvation".
 

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WE are not born again by "faith". and we are not "born again by water".

We are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT< ...

The REASON that God gives us the "new Birth" is because we gave God OUR Faith, in Christ.... that God requires of us.

So, this Salvation that God gives to the BELIEVER.... is : "GRACE.... through Faith.""""... Its God accepting OUR Faith in Christ to the give to us.,., "The GIFT of Salvation".
You're splitting hairs and avoiding the underlying issue of obedience. We receive the Holy Spirit by faith.

[Gal 3:2 NASB95] 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
God doesn't accept dead faith.
 
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We must have faith in Christ with a living faith. That means obedience is necessary, otherwise faith is dead. This is possible because we have the Holy Spirit. If we're walking by the Spirit, it's not faith in self.
This is true.

But if your obeying to keep saved, or keep from losing salvation. then your not acting on faith to God. your acting on faith in self. and fear of God and have placed yourself under law
 

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We're born again by faith,
WE are not born again by "faith". and we are not "born again by water".

We are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT< ...

The REASON that God gives us the "new Birth" is because we gave God OUR Faith, in Christ.... that God requires of us.

So, this Salvation that God gives to the BELIEVER.... is : "GRACE.... through Faith.""""... Its God accepting OUR Faith in Christ to the give to us.,., "The GIFT of Salvation".
You are both partially right.

We are saved (born again) by grace (through the Holy Spirit) through faith.

even Jesus said we are born again by looking to the cross in faith
 

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You're splitting hairs and avoiding the underlying issue of obedience. We receive the Holy Spirit by faith.

[Gal 3:2 NASB95] 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
God doesn't accept dead faith.
that would be mere belief, even demons believe.

Your either born again, Or claim to have faith but are still dead in your sins. there is no other status
 

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You are both partially right.

We are saved (born again) by grace (through the Holy Spirit) through faith.

even Jesus said we are born again by looking to the cross in faith

Faith does not save you.

God saves you through your faith.

Give God your faith, and God will save you, as God is the Savior, who offers Salvation as The Cross of Christ.
 

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This is true.

But if your obeying to keep saved, or keep from losing salvation. then your not acting on faith to God. your acting on faith in self. and fear of God and have placed yourself under law
We're not justified by faith alone (James 2:24 & 26. This idea that 'I must obey but be careful that I'm not doing it to maintain salvation' is illogical. If Jesus tells us to obey, and we obey him because we believe his words, then it is automatically by faith.

The line of thinking you've presented to me is exactly why I left Protestantism.
 

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Faith does not save you.

God saves you through your faith.

Give God your faith, and God will save you, as God is the Savior, who offers Salvation as The Cross of Christ.
If you have no faith. your still condemned.

so you can not remove faith from the equation. God does not force you to believe as the Calvinist would insist.

The people on moses day were saved because in faith they looked at the serpent on the pole. In the same means, we are saved because God hung his son on a pole. and in faith we too looked up to him, and were saved