quietthinker
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You have overlayed your own theory on Jesus' story.
This story of Jesus' has no hint of wrathful Justice.....the which you are attempting to weave into it.
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This story of Jesus' has no hint of wrathful Justice.....the which you are attempting to weave into it.
I keep trying to hear something come out of you in a post, that resembles what a Christian would say.
Listen, Jesus had to fulfill the LAW, and He could not do that as an infant. He had to live as an adult to complete that fulfillment.
Also, the BIBLE is many things, and one of them is 'PROPHECY">.. and Jesus was prophecied in the Old Testament.
He had to fulfill all these Prophecies, and there are over 100, and some them them were..... to "die on a Tree", "being Pierced", after His "Clothes were gambled away".
So, .. Jesus on the Cross, as the New Covenant, as the Messiah, as the Son of God, as the virgin born.......all of this had to happen, as God's word is TRUE, and Jesus is the Son of God.
All my Theology comes from Paul.
So, If you post a quote of mine that you feel isn't in the NT, i'll post the verses for you, so that you dont have to stay in your confusion.
Or, if that is too much for you, then just ask me a QUESTiON regarding what is giving you issues, based on my Post or Thread.
The Cross is God Mercy, on You.
Its God justice laid on Jesus, in your Place.
Jesus is the Sacrifice for all your sin.
"there is no greater love then for a man to lay down His life for His friend".
Yet God's love is Greater, as God laid down the Life of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus THE CHRIST, for the sin of the world.....and that means God's enemies.
See it yet?
That's the Cross.
And He went a little farther, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou wilt.”
ASV
And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.
AMP
And after going a little farther, He fell face down and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible [that is, consistent with Your will], let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”
AMPC
And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.
BRG
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
CSB
Going a little farther, he fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
CEB
Then he went a short distance farther and fell on his face and prayed, “My Father, if it’s possible, take this cup of suffering away from me. However—not what I want but what you want.”
CJB
Going on a little farther, he fell on his face, praying, “My Father, if possible, let this cup pass from me! Yet — not what I want, but what you want!”
If it was from scripture it would have been taught for 2000 years already. Obviously, every false teaching is also based on scripture, but most, if almost all come long after the Patristic era of the NT. I didn't find any such teachings in the first 1500 years of the existence of scripture. So where is this view come from, who first promulgated this view? Or is it your personal enlighten theory?
Liars never quote me, they just insinuate some circular reasoning rant.
Do you understand yourself, yet?
I do..
So, again, if you have a quote of mine, i can explain it, with scripture, even for someone who is dishonest, like you, Rightglory.
quietthinker
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yes, the narrative of what 'a Christian would say' has surely obscured God's character!
quietthinker
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God's justice and God's wrath has a different flavour to that which you are attempting to portray.
The flavour you are trying to portray is that of the deductions of sinful man; ie that of the world where revenge needs to be extracted and appeasement takes the form of blood before the scores are even. Isn't that the basis of all the pagan gods?
In other words you cannot answer the questions. It's obviously your own personal theory and has no basis for the correct understanding of scripture. It has no creditable history to be authentic teachings of scripture.
It is not of the Holy Spirit who gave the Gospel once for all time, Jude 3, no need for additions. There have been many false teachers and teachings over time and for me this is just another one.
This has already been shown by several other posters.
quietthinker
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yes, Jesus knew what men would do to him yet he submitted to them nevertheless......for in this God revealed his glory (in submission) In this love was manifest....where being pushed to the limit by men and demons he did not retaliate with overt power and force.
That's why Jesus didn't die in Herod's slaughter or in Gethsemane. The watching Universe both faithful and rebellious saw the heart of God when backed against the wall....love was on display as never before disarming force and domination.....while revealing the self destructive nature of revenge or payback including the harbouring of thoughts and feelings of that nature endemic in the natural man.
Ronald Nolette
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It certainly does say you are wrong.
JOhn 3 shows Gods wrath abides on many in mankind.
Romans 5 shows that we were enemies of God, not God was an enemy of us though He was.
Ronald Nolette
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But the body houses the person. It is not the physical body that thinks and sins- it is the old man, the soul man that does that.
When one is born again, their spirit is made alive again (the natural man is only body and soul). We still have a soul and still can sin if we walk according to the natural inclination of man.
The flesh does not always mean the natural physical body in Scripture. It also means the natural man (soul ) and its evil. An unbeliever can do nothing but sin, the saved man can choose to sin or not sin. And when we do sin, 1 JOhn 1:9 is for the saved man.
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