I am not selling the 1000 years a day theory

[Craig19]

I'm sorry guys but I still disagree. But don't get me wrong I'm not saying anyone is right I actually love the way we differ it just shows me again how great our God is and I believe that as long as YOU are right with God, you don't have to worry about what others think.But for the sake of those still forming ideas and learning more and more about our God(like me) I will give my meaning.You know that allot of the signs given for the second coming have been seen throughout history and again and again people have been predicting they know in what season its going to fall and they have been wrong. The Bible says there will be false teachers saying they know when He will come so don't be misled by them.Also Jesus said to His dissiples some of them won't die without seeing the Kingdom of God they are all dead but I believe they have seen it come here on earth. I think all people should be ready for His coming in all seasons because I believe one can't even know the right season. I don't think people should turn to God because they fear hell they should turn to Him because of His love for us and knowing His way is THE ONLY way to live. Trying to bring people to God by scaring them with the fact that the second coming is close(which you have no idea is) is a tactic from the devil.Enjoy your day thanks for the great site

 

[bigdummy]

I guess that this thread could go on for a number of more days but regardless of the various imput that agrees with or disagrees with Krisses viewpoint I believe that He/She (I don't know the person personally so I don't know if it is a man or woman) will remain dogmatic as far as a day with God is as a thousand years with us, is concerned and I believe he or she has the right to dig in his or her heels and stick to his (this is awkword not knowing the gender of the person I am refering to) opinion.As for what it is worth , and that isn't much, when I read the bible I feel that it cannot be taken literally in every case. For instance If you read Mathew 18:21,22 you find Christ refering to how many times we should forgive those who wrong us and Jesus tells Peter "Not seven , but seventy times seven" Now if you take that statement literally He is saying after 490 times you no longer need to forgive some one who wrongs you. If that is the literal case then I no longer need to pray to him for forgiveness as I know I have sinned more than 490 times and have used up my quota.I to am dogmatic when it comes to passages such as John 14:6 where Jesus states that He is the only way to Heaven, this I take Literally. However when He refers to eating His flesh and drinking His blood in John 6:53-56 I take that Figuratively, and when In Rev.9:17,18 John speaks of a beast breathing fire and brimstone I can't help but think of the modern aircraft of today and therefore he would be speaking symbolically. for if John could see the fire power of todays aircraft he may well have considered them as fire breathing beasts.I realize I could be mistaken but I just find that I am unable to accept the whole of the bible literally, for those who can I have no argument..God Bless...Ray

 

[Craig19]

Very well said dummy. I agree with everything you said.And lol at the gender thing.

 

[treeoflife]

(reddneo;46902)
I am not selling the 1000 years a day theory. God's Word uses Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:3 to introduce the Seven Days of Creation. Starting at Genesis 2:4 and continuing to Revelation 22:21, details of those days are revealed. Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 2:3 gives the complete history of man, however brief, from creation unto everlasting, within a seven day format. A history extrapolated from remaining Scriptures by key terms and relevant events; beginning on the First Day with the generations of the heaven and the earth and ending on the Seventh Day, when at the ending of Time there is the completion of the formulation of Man in the Kingdom of God. The saga begins in Genesis 2:4 with the key term, “generations” (in Hebrew, תולדות: transliteration, towlĕdah), and with this term is recorded advance in days of the First Trimester.kenneth g//
That's good! You're right, 1,000 years a day theory is only used to wrap God's Word around the theories of men, rather than what we should be doing... wrapping our theories around God's Word.Genesis is quite clear about creation. "Evening and morning--the first day."A day is a day, period.Some will say, "time is meaningless to God." True, but it has nothing to do with the fact that He used time to created us, and we do in fact exist in time.Day = day.

 

[treeoflife]

II Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.​

It goes on to say... (v.9-10)

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

This reference, btw, in no way means that 1 day = 1,000 years.It was not meant to be an equation... otherwise, if it were, we have now been given a formula for exactly how much more finite (but still finite) God is than us. 1000x365 times more finite, but finite still. He is not finite though, of course... he is infinite. He has no limitations.It simply means that God lives outside of time... therefore He is able to be infinitely patient, and perfect in His planning--as we are held captive by time, and God is not. God is able to do all things perfectly, and sovereignly, because God is not held captive by time. Not by 1,000 years for every one of our days, and not by 1,000,000 years to one of our days.It is not an equation, it is an expression of God's power, sovereignty, and non-restraint by time.Day = Day.

 

[Christina]

By the way bigD Im a girl:)You cant apply Day (1000 years) every time it says Day but there are times when God uses his days that was the mystery Peter was telling you You can deny it all you want but that is the Way Peter and John understood it. as I posted it was common figure of speech in those days. So your reasoning has no basis except thats what you were taught or decided its just an oipinon. unless think that Adam was born 6 literal days ago common sense would tell you this . Heres some stuff you guys can think on Using Gods Time (1000 years = 1 day) One hour in Gods time is five months the same amount of time in REV.9:5 an 9:10 now what happens in Rev. 9 Satan and his locust army Woe to earth Now whats that about Babyalon Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,Now heres another scripture for you to think about God said in that day that Adam would die... and he did at age 930 (He died on one of Gods Days 1 day=1000years)So seems I have scripture and Jewish tradition on my side.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jewish figure of SpeechA common saying among the Jews, founded on the same passage, (Mynv Pla hb "qh) (lv wmwy) , "the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years" this phrase should be thought to refer, as it is by some, to the day of judgment, and be expressive of the duration of that: it is certain that the Jews interpreted days of millenniums, and reckoned millenniums by days, and used this phrase in confirmation of it. Thus they say (F1), ``in the time to come, which is in the last days, on the sixth day, which is the sixth millennium, when the Messiah comes, for the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years.'' And a little after, ``"the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man". This is in the time of the Messiah which is in the sixth day.'' And elsewhere (F2,) ``the sixth degree is called the sixth day, the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years. And in that day the King Messiah shall come, and it shall be called the feast of gathering, for the holy blessed God will gather in it the captivity of his people.'' So they call the sabbath, or seventh day, the seventh millennium, and interpret( F3) ``"the song for the sabbath day", (Psalms 92:1) title, for the seventh millennium, for one day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years.'' To which agrees the tradition of Elias, which runs thus (F4) ``it is the tradition of the house of Elias, that the world shall be six thousand years, two thousand years void (of the law), two thousand years the law, and two thousand years the days of the Messiah;'' for they suppose that the six days of the creation were expressive of the six thousand years in which the world will stand; and that the seventh day prefigures the last millennium, in which will be the day of judgment, and the world to come; for ``the six days of the creation (they say ) is a sign or intimation of these things: on the sixth day man was created; and on the seventh his work was finished; so the kings of the nations of the world (continue) five millenniums, answering to the five days, in which were created the fowls, and the creeping things of the waters, and other things; and the enjoyment of their kingdom is a little in the sixth, answerable to the creation of the beasts, and living creatures created at this time in the beginning of it; and the kingdom of the house of David is in the sixth millennium,answerable to the creation of man, who knew his Creator, and ruled over them all; and in the end of that millennium will be the day of judgment, answerable to man, who was judged in the end of it; and the seventh is the sabbath, and it is the beginning of the world to come.''.....................................This is what was meant by this figure of speach and it is what is meant in this verse. 1 day=1000years a day to God

 

[samy]

Kriss, I see you and others often supporting your arguments from Scripture regarding the passage of time saying, “that one day to the Lord is as a thousand years,” therefore to the Lord one day equals 1000 years. You proof text this with 2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord, as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day" (KJV). This verse, however, does not support that claim. You see here that Peter is using the word "as” (Greek hos) preceding the words “one thousand.” In language “as” and “like’ introduce us to a simile, a comparison. Peter could just as easily have chosen the word “like.” Look at another use of “as” in Luke 10:3, “Go your ways, behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.” In either of the above passages “like” or “as” are interchangeable. Notice in Matthew 10:16 it is quite a different thing to say, “…be ye wise as serpents…” than to say, “…be ye wise serpents….” The little word “as” introducing the comparison is very important to the meaning we take away from the passage. samy

 

[Christina]

Well belive what you want but I know it to be a fact as I said Peter and John being Jewish understood it as a figure of speech meaning 1000 years to a day If you do not get figures of speech you wont get alot of things in scripture for exampe "To uncover my fathers nakedness" this is also a figure of speech meaning to lie with your fathers wife. The figue of speech above is written in the Talmud and was common knowledge amoung the Jews I also presented other scripture to prove this its also the key to understanding some time events in Rev. and sense I dont agree with veiw of timing on many thingsyou are entitled to go with men teaching on this if thats your choice but I will never agree. So your opinion is noted but it wont change my mind.And is God lying here? or is this just another thing you choose to dismiss because it doesnt fit your veiw??God said in that day that Adam would die... and he did at age 930 (He died on one of Gods Days 1 day=1000years)So seems I have scripture and Jewish tradition on my side.

 

[RaddSpencer]

WELL Well Well!What do we have here? Looks like all you guys won the "Golden Gloves" Boxing title (church style). As a special prize, you won a free subscription to this youtube video:[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vFe4JHoCno&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vFe4JHoCno&feature=related[/url]Maybe you guys can learn some fighting moves from that priest.You guys should be ashamed of yourselves (especially you guys with admin/moderator status). What God thinks of time is frankly not an important topic (for people's salvation). And it certainly is not worth alienating your brother over.:naughty: :naughty:Maybe you guys should agree to disagree and let things be.

 

[Christina]

What are you talking about just because two people have strong opposing veiws doesnt mean anything Samy and I do not agree on alot but I do respect his attention to serious deeper study You be should be asking yourself why reconizing numbers isnt important to you time is extremly important in Gods words and God has a book full of numbers for a reason for us to learn by and this we must all agree stuff is nothing but politacal correctness how do you learn the truth without pushing each other to look deeper

 

[waquinas]

(kriss;47961)
God said in that day that Adam would die... and he did at age 930 (He died on one of Gods Days 1 day=1000years)So seems I have scripture and Jewish tradition on my side.
So you are saying 1=1000 and 1000=930, is that right?

 

[Christina]

No,not exactly Im saying God told him he would die that day well he lived 930 years so we are talking one of Gods Days here not mans day.... and one day with God is 1000years to man So unless God was lying or the bible is contradictory niether of which I believe then he did die in that day .........one of Gods days

 

[Craig19]

kriss I have to dissagree because the more I read what you are saying the more it sounds like you are predicting the second coming and thinking you know more than you do.You are making the same mistake people have made over and over again. You all think you interpret scripture correctly and you can predict God's second coming when not even Jesus wanted to do that.I beg you to ask the Holy Spirit to give you a deeper understanding and also to show you the truth not just about this but also about tonguess I believe God has great plans for you He just wants you to open your eyes some more.Remember to have a teachable SpiritGod bless

 

[waquinas]

(kriss;47978)
No,not exactly Im saying God told him he would die that day well he lived 930 years so we are talking one of Gods Days here not mans day.... and one day with God is 1000years to man So unless God was lying or the bible is contradictory niether of which I believe then he did die in that day .........one of Gods days
I do not think any one here believes God lies or the Bible contradicts. Am just trying to understand how you equate 930 to 1000. I disagree but get the 1 day= 1000 stance you take from Peter, but Adam did not live to 1000, so at least in my view the application of that stance to explaining the timing of Adam's death does not work as it is 70 years short.

 

[Christina]

(waquinas;47982)
I do not think any one here believes God lies or the Bible contradicts. Am just trying to understand how you equate 930 to 1000. I disagree but get the 1 day= 1000 stance you take from Peter, but Adam did not live to 1000, so at least in my view the application of that stance to explaining the timing of Adam's death does not work as it is 70 years short.
Im not if one day is 1000 years long then he died during that day

 

[Christina]

(Craig19;47980)
kriss I have to dissagree because the more I read what you are saying the more it sounds like you are predicting the second coming and thinking you know more than you do.You are making the same mistake people have made over and over again. You all think you interpret scripture correctly and you can predict God's second coming when not even Jesus wanted to do that.I beg you to ask the Holy Spirit to give you a deeper understanding and also to show you the truth not just about this but also about tonguess I believe God has great plans for you He just wants you to open your eyes some more.Remember to have a teachable SpiritGod bless
What does a thousand years have to do with predicting Christs second coming????????????? We are told to know the season no one knows the hour or the day God didnt spend a thrid of the book telling us what would happen and tell us the signs to look for and the events if he didnt want us know the season he told us to be watchman. I have only given my opinion on these things when asked and made it very clear it was an opinion and everyone has one

 

[waquinas]

(kriss;47985)
Im not if one day is 1000 years long then he died during that day
Ok, now I get where you are coming from there. However, that logic would apply whether Adam dropped dead with apple in his mouth or 70 years later or 500 or 634 or 930. All of those possiblities occur "during" or on the "Lord's day" in that view. Am not arguing just pointing this out. And the alternative understanding, that Adam would never have died had he not eaten and that he began to die as soon as he did is not refuted by the fact he lived a long time afterwards. Both explanations allow for Adam "surely" dying when he ate.Have always understood that the creation story had to have been passed down from an age that predates man's gaining the ability to record it. It was known to the ancients before it become a part of the written Word, yet it was no less the Word of God when they spoke it as when we read it now. Am thinking a thousands years to those people is not a concept they would have fully grasped yet and at best maybe had expressions (70x7) that represents concepts (a really long time or large number or eternal ...etc). Perhaps the NT writers had a better idea of 1000 years, but I still do not see a problem with holding Peter to mean a "long time" and it is in keeping with the rest of his letter telling them stop waiting around for it or being impatient about it.I do not think God has given us a mysterious code book to decipher and that only those with the correct secret decoder ring will get it. The NT seems pretty explicit that we should always be ready, as individuals we do not know when our time here is up. When it is up, it is up and we must then be ready to meet our Maker. Also seems pretty clear we are not to be overly concerned about when He will come again, even the year or "age". People doing so in the first century were chastised for it by the Apostles and their disciples. And every century since various groups have claimed to "know" and repeatedly not only made fools of themselves as well but diminished or at the very least distracted others from the hearing the Gospel, worse it has probably turned people away.

 

[Christina]

I get what you are saying and that has been the concensus but God says this day you shall die so unless he had died within 24 hours this leads one to think otherwise.and thats only one verse then you put that with 2 Peter and the figure of speech that the hebrews understood and the timing and rev. I conclude ther is enough evidence to prove this is exactly what God meant. And why didnt he just say forever or eternity in 2 Peter he said a thousand times before but this time he says it very differntly and uses the same wors as when describing the millieum. But you are free to see it however you chose.

 

[waquinas]

(kriss;47994)
I get what you are saying and that has been the concensus but God says this day you shall die so unless he had died within 24 hours this leads one to think otherwise.and thats only one verse then you put that with 2 Peter and the figure of speech that the hebrews understood and the timing and rev. I conclude ther is enough evidence to prove this is exactly what God meant. And why didnt he just say forever or eternity in 2 Peter he said a thousand times before but this time he says it very differntly and uses the same wors as when describing the millieum. But you are free to see it however you chose.
If as some believe there was no death or dying in Adam before he ate, then saying he began to die (as well as suffer all the other consequences) that VERY DAY does not violate reason or make God a liar. Either way, Adam lived a very long time afterwards. You are free to conclude as you wish. Do not see enough evidence for me to buck what has been the concensus.Jesus is coming again! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia! Whether that is today, tomorrow or another thousand years from now, we are to be ready. What is it to me whether I live to see it or not? Sure I would like to and we pray for it, but that is not as important as my being ready.Souls are in jeopardy every day of eternal damnation. Who cares if they live to see Jesus return or not. If we love them, then the important thing is telling them they need to be ready now (not 2010, 2012 or pick a year). That is all I mean by this.

 

[Christina]

I agree with much of what you say but we are the End time generation God promises this in his parable of the fig tree Denver and I both have a study on this you might be interested in readinghttp://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...10815#post10815http://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...ht=parable+tree