I am not selling the 1000 years a day theory

[treeoflife]

(kriss;48640)
What you are not taking into account is Peter and John didnt understand this to mean anything except that 1 day equals a thousand years
If that's true... which I do not believe it is... it's still not what *is meant by it*, and that's what is important. Peter also didn't believe that he could eat "unclean" animals or that salvations was for the gentiles. Or, at the very least... that he could keep company with them (and how can you witness if you can't keep company with them?). Should we then not eat unclean animals because of Peter's misunderstanding, which Jesus clarified for him by revelation in a vision? Well, of course not.Read all of acts Acts 10 for the entire event.This is very interesting event we have here in Acts 10. Keep in mind this is after Jesus been with them... was crucified, dead, buried, been resurrected, seen among many witnesses and taken again to heaven. Yet, even now, Peter still, in his misunderstanding, would not have gone to the gentiles had he not been given a vision immediately prior. He says so (see below).

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Acts 10:28​

What a profound lack of understanding, we would think today... that a person, being saved... would still not comprehend that Jesus was for all men, that gentiles were not unclean... neither was a juicy cheeseburger unclean. Nevertheless, Peter, being a Jew, still didn't believe this until this amazing vision he was given.Like I said, even if Peter thought 1 day = 1,000 years, he was wrong. But, I don't beleive he thought that so it doesn't really matter.

 

[cronnie36]

(treeoflife;48650)
If that's true... which I do not believe it is... it's still not what *is meant by it*, and that's what is important. Peter also didn't believe that he could eat "unclean" animals or that salvations was for the gentiles. Or, at the very least... that he could keep company with them (and how can you witness if you can't keep company with them?). Should we then not eat unclean animals because of Peter's misunderstanding, which Jesus clarified for him by revelation in a vision? Well, of course not.Read all of acts Acts 10 for the entire event.This is very interesting event we have here in Acts 10. Keep in mind this is after Jesus been with them... was crucified, dead, buried, been resurrected, seen among many witnesses and taken again to heaven. Yet, even now, Peter still, in his misunderstanding, would not have gone to the gentiles had he not been given a vision immediately prior. He says so (see below).

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Acts 10:28​

What a profound lack of understanding, we would think today... that a person, being saved... would still not comprehend that Jesus was for all men, that gentiles were not unclean... neither was a juicy cheeseburger unclean. Nevertheless, Peter, being a Jew, still didn't believe this until this amazing vision he was given.Like I said, even if Peter thought 1 day = 1,000 years, he was wrong. But, I don't beleive he thought that so it doesn't really matter.

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Christina]

(treeoflife;48650)
If that's true... which I do not believe it is... it's still not what *is meant by it*, and that's what is important. Peter also didn't believe that he could eat "unclean" animals or that salvations was for the gentiles. Or, at the very least... that he could keep company with them (and how can you witness if you can't keep company with them?). Should we then not eat unclean animals because of Peter's misunderstanding, which Jesus clarified for him by revelation in a vision? Well, of course not.Read all of acts Acts 10 for the entire event.This is very interesting event we have here in Acts 10. Keep in mind this is after Jesus been with them... was crucified, dead, buried, been resurrected, seen among many witnesses and taken again to heaven. Yet, even now, Peter still, in his misunderstanding, would not have gone to the gentiles had he not been given a vision immediately prior. He says so (see below).

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Acts 10:28​

What a profound lack of understanding, we would think today... that a person, being saved... would still not comprehend that Jesus was for all men, that gentiles were not unclean... neither was a juicy cheeseburger unclean. Nevertheless, Peter, being a Jew, still didn't believe this until this amazing vision he was given.Like I said, even if Peter thought 1 day = 1,000 years, he was wrong. But, I don't beleive he thought that so it doesn't really matter.

You are talking apples and oranges jewish religious beliefs have nothing to do with the hebrew language. If we were writting today we might say something like : "it was so cool to see that fire burning" we understand this statement but how would someone 2000 years ago see this statement ?? they could never get it right without understanding that "cool" was a figure of speech they would wonder how a fire was cool its contradictory if you do not have understanding od figures of speech the Bible is full of them without understanding them we are stuck with mens wrong interptation. As you can see from Jewish teaching this is biblical and I will take bible over men anyday Jewish figure of SpeechA common saying among the Jews, founded on the same passage, (Mynv Pla hb "qh) (lv wmwy) , "the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years" this phrase should be thought to refer, as it is by some, to the day of judgment, and be expressive of the duration of that: it is certain that the Jews interpreted days of millenniums, and reckoned millenniums by days, and used this phrase in confirmation of it. Thus they say (F1), ``in the time to come, which is in the last days, on the sixth day, which is the sixth millennium, when the Messiah comes, for the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years.'' And a little after, ``"the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man". This is in the time of the Messiah which is in the sixth day.'' And elsewhere (F2,) ``the sixth degree is called the sixth day, the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years. And in that day the King Messiah shall come, and it shall be called the feast of gathering, for the holy blessed God will gather in it the captivity of his people.'' So they call the sabbath, or seventh day, the seventh millennium, and interpret( F3) ``"the song for the sabbath day", (Psalms 92:1) title, for the seventh millennium, for one day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years.'' To which agrees the tradition of Elias, which runs thus (F4) ``it is the tradition of the house of Elias, that the world shall be six thousand years, two thousand years void (of the law), two thousand years the law, and two thousand years the days of the Messiah;'' for they suppose that the six days of the creation were expressive of the six thousand years in which the world will stand; and that the seventh day prefigures the last millennium, in which will be the day of judgment, and the world to come; for ``the six days of the creation (they say ) is a sign or intimation of these things: on the sixth day man was created; and on the seventh his work was finished; so the kings of the nations of the world (continue) five millenniums, answering to the five days, in which were created the fowls, and the creeping things of the waters, and other things; and the enjoyment of their kingdom is a little in the sixth, answerable to the creation of the beasts, and living creatures created at this time in the beginning of it; and the kingdom of the house of David is in the sixth millennium,answerable to the creation of man, who knew his Creator, and ruled over them all; and in the end of that millennium will be the day of judgment, answerable to man, who was judged in the end of it; and the seventh is the sabbath, and it is the beginning of the world to come.''.....................................This is what was meant by this figure of speach and it is what is meant in this verse. 1 day=1000years a day to God__________________

 

[treeoflife]

Kriss, 1 day does not equal 1,000 years. But, okay, lets talk about it.Are you saying that 1 day to man = 1,000 years to God? Or just in the creation event? Do all (one) man-days = 1,000 years to God? How does it work, do you believe?

 

[Christina]

Its the key to the timeline in Revelation one hour in Gods time is 5 months in human time Rev. 9:5 & 9:10

 

[Christina]

Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[HammerStone]

I don't think so. . The word "as" can obviously be used in many ways as a conjunction,adverb e.tc but the key is to judge the way it is used in the sentence. In one of your examples for instance the word "as" isn't used for comparison while it ie here. I also checked the concordance and couldn't come up with the original words however I am of the opinion the translators needn't have added as if they wanted to say is considering that adding it only expands the concept here. If a thousand years is equal to 1 day the writers should simply have written it so but if they were making comparisons then the word "as" is best in my opinion this is pretty much showing God isn't limited by time.
Well perhaps my English background makes me carp here, but the original post was that because "as" is used this makes it a comparison. Besides being completely wrong to suggest the appearance of the word "as" immediately means a simile, one has to take into account that it's still a comparison. Father took two very specific words here - not general concepts of numbers that are used elsewhere - which are one of His days and 1000 of our years.Not only this, but he said it twice for emphasis. This in itself works against the idea that this was a simile. If it was such - we as believers know our Father is HUGE and timeless - why the repetition.Eyes to see, and ears to hear, beloveds!

 

[treeoflife]

(kriss;48660)
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
I'm not totally sure what cause there is for mentioning these verses... it does say an hour, but I'm not sure what it has to do with 1,000 years. However, this in mind... Was that hour exactly 60 minutes--exactly? As perfect as God's Word is, it would have had to have been EXACTLY 60 minutes? I expect no less than 100% accuracy from God's Word. So, appearently it took some time to reach an official degree destruction... such that it could be officially labled, "destoyed." It is more likely that it will be destroyed... in an hour.30 minutes is in an hour. 15 minutes is in an hour. Any time frame that is less than an hour, is in one hour. This is more likely that it being a literally, exact, one hour. But, it could be one hour... it doesn't matter either way I suppose.
Its the key to the timeline in Revelation one hour in Gods time is 5 months in human time Rev. 9:5 & 9:10
How is 1 day = 1,000 years key to the timeline in Revelation? They are totally different timelines.Lets do the math. There are 24 hours in a day. 5 (months) x 24 (hours in a day) = 120 months. So, using 5 months for 1 day formula... we arrive at 120 months = 1 day. Now, we know that 120 months = 10 years. Therefore... if 1 hour = 5 months... then 1 day = 10 years. So, if one hour, is 5 months... do the math... that means one day = 10 years.So, is 1 day 1000 years to God or is it 10 years?Then again... there aren't exactly 24 hours in a day... so now were off a bit. There are is less than 24 hours in a day... slightly less. God's Word should be 100% accurate all the time. Or, does God just mean sun up sun down = 1 day? Are we using sun up sun down as a day, or are we going by the actual mathmatical measurement, in time, for one day?

 

[Christina]

One hour = 5 months = 150 days (same as the flood ) (based on lunar calander of 30 day months) Five months is the time that the tribulation is shortened to (for the Elect sake)Antichrist/Satan is here on earth 5 months thats why the destuction in Rev 18 (above verse's) take place in one hour it is the same as the 5 months of Rev 9:5 & 9:10

 

[RaddSpencer]

What is the point of this thread? I have to admit, I am rather lost.Didn't we already discuss that time has no effect on God?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argumentHe is the Prime Mover (also known as the Unmoved Mover) --

 

[treeoflife]

(kriss;48665)
One hour = 5 months Five months is the time that the tribulation is shortened to (for the Elect sake)Antichrist/Satan is here on earth 5 months thats why the destuction in Rev 18 (above verse's) take place in one hour it is the same as the 5 months of Rev 9:5 & 9:10
Well, there is 1 day in 1 day, that is for sure.

 

[Christina]

(treeoflife;48667)
Well, there is 1 day in 1 day, that is for sure.

LOL yes but one day in Gods time is not the same as a 24 hour day in our time thats what he tells us twice once from heavens perspective once from mans perspective. Just put it on the shelf and you will see someday it will fit right. God Bless http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks4.htm

 

[HammerStone]

What is the point of this thread? I have to admit, I am rather lost.Didn't we already discuss that time has no effect on God?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argumentHe is the Prime Mover (also known as the Unmoved Mover) --
Right, but he gave us times in several locations and told us to know them. One of those times will tell how long the antichrist will reign and when our Lord returns. On top of that, he also told us about the Lord's Day (aka the millennium).

 

[Alistein]

(Denver;48662)
Well perhaps my English background makes me carp here, but the original post was that because "as" is used this makes it a comparison. Besides being completely wrong to suggest the appearance of the word "as" immediately means a simile, one has to take into account that it's still a comparison. Father took two very specific words here - not general concepts of numbers that are used elsewhere - which are one of His days and 1000 of our years.Not only this, but he said it twice for emphasis. This in itself works against the idea that this was a simile. If it was such - we as believers know our Father is HUGE and timeless - why the repetition.Eyes to see, and ears to hear, beloveds!
I did say it was a comparison and didn't say it was a simile but then again looking at it you have a situation in which two different subjects are compared (1) a day (2) a thousand years which is pretty much what a simile does. They are clearly not similar but the word "as" is used here in drawing meaning or qualify these subjects. I don't understand how saying it twice works against the idea if anything it strenghthens it. It actually isn't a repetition. More of a complete expression. Also it never says one day to us or to the Lord to say to us and the Lord in an order befitting is adding is it not. here again is the verse But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day (KJV)But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day (NLT)But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.(NIV)The other versions help to expand and draw out the comparisonAnd like I wrote in another post Peter was quoting from the book of psalms (Psalm 90:4) when he said this.For a thousand years in Your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night. It is clearly a comparison like a metaphor.

 

[Alistein]

(kriss;48659)
Its the key to the timeline in Revelation one hour in Gods time is 5 months in human time Rev. 9:5 & 9:10
Are we to believe then that God created the world in 6000years and that the millenial reign will be 1000,000 years. That certainly can't be right is illogical and makes no sense in anyway. If the bible doesn't say it explicitly then I see no reason for believing it.

 

[ForYou]

This has gone to far?

 

[cronnie36]

(ForYou;48680)
This has gone to far?
In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

 

[Christina]

I never said God always uses this term Day to mean 1000 years it is a mystery revealed and is only used when God is trying to depict a day from his standpoint.The millennial reign is one Day... 1000 years you are looking at it from mans perspective which will not exist in the millenium all are spirit as 1 cor 15 tells you there is no flesh in the millenium so we are on Gods time one day=1ooo years = milleniumand the fact he says it twice was to emphasise it from heavens perspective and again from earths perspective. 1=1000....1000=1 same thing different perspectiveAnd yes I do believe the creation week was 6000 years long and God rested on the 7th(7000) almost 6000 have passed between Adam and today and God will again rest on the 7th (7000th) unless of course you think God takes every 7th day offBut more importantly to us today rather than arguing creation week is the timing in Rev. I honestly do not get everyone objection to this when I provided scriptural proof Language proof there's timing proof and the only objection is... men didnt understand this mysytery untill knowlege was increased There is absoultly NO eveidence this means forever or along unknown period of time it is simply not supported in scripture.

 

[Jordan]

The Melinneum Reign is 1,000 human years.In short the Melinneum Rreign is 1 Day old.LOL! Kriss we posted the same thing at the same time except yours is way longer.

 

[Alistein]

(kriss;48683)
I never said God always uses this term Day to mean 1000 years it is a mystery revealed and is only used when God is trying to depict a day from his standpoint.The millennial reign is one Day... 1000 years you are looking at it from mans perspective which will not exist in the millenium all are spirit as 1 cor 15 tells you there is no flesh in the millenium so we are on Gods time one day=1ooo years = milleniumand the fact he says it twice was to emphasise it from heavens perspective and again from earths perspective. 1=1000....1000=1 same thing different perspectiveAnd yes I do believe the creation week was 6000 years long and God rested on the 7th(7000) almost 6000 have passed between Adam and today and God will again rest on the 7th (7000th) unless of course you think God takes every 7th day offBut more importantly to us today rather than arguing creation week is the timing in Rev. I honestly do not get everyone objection to this when I provided scriptural proof Language proof there's timing proof and the only objection is... men didnt understand this mysytery untill knowlege was increased There is absoultly NO eveidence this means forever or along unknown period of time it is simply not supported in scripture.
That's just inconsistent and any unbeliever being shown scripture this way is sure to be disappointed. You're saying in one place God uses days in one way and in other places differently that is way inconsistent, what's more you say God created the world in 6000years and rested for a thousand when Genesis clearly states 6 days and it is reiterated several times more. How about this when Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days did He mean 3thousand years since He is God. Besides when God instituted the Sabbath he reminded the Isrealites of how He rested on the 7th day and was refreshed. I can understand these numbers being symbols but beyond that is fallacy if it isn't stated in the word. Perhaps a joint prayer for us all is needed here cause someone is clearly in error. I will let the word of God stand and take the word literally at this point.