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Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!
Demonstrably untrue! The successors lack miraculous signs.
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Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!
Demonstrably untrue! The successors lack miraculous signs.
That is a fantastically great explanation sir. I fully understand why you answered that way. I am not saying I agree with it, as in my opinion would make God biased and unfair, as well as the gathering did not begin until after Jesus' death. I fully agree that the positions are to be held during the millennium as you indicated.
The Father and the Son are not One from the unity of faith and neither are we one with Christ and God by faith.
Sinners come to Salvation through Grace and faith in what God has said = but this alone is not what makes us One with HIM.
ELOHIM is Three = Father Son Holy Spirit these Three are ONE Elohim
In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, He saw the heavens breaking open and the Spirit descending on Him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”
ALL THREE Together as ONE = Spirit descending + Voice from Heaven(Father) + upon the Son = 3 are ONE Elohim
Just as the Scripture declares from Genesis to Exodus to the Gospels to Revelation
He can't be biased and unfair, as He's not a respecter of persons, what one needs to understand is that some, ie, the elect were justified before they were born of woman . His elect does not have free will
He can't be biased and unfair, as He's not a respecter of persons, what one needs to understand is that some, ie, the elect were justified before they were born of woman . His elect does not have free will
We disagree David.
Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brothers:, but Mary went on to have other children, so she didn't remain a virgin.
That is the tradition of men!
God never dwelt in the Ark. God's laws (10 commandments) were in the ark. God appeared in a cloud on/above the the mercy seat. The ark of the covenant was/is God's throne on the earthArk of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
No, it doesn't imply that. You frequently read into verses things that are not there!Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity!
Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brothers:
(Mat 12:46) While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him.
(Mat 13:55) Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother called Mary, and his brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
(Joh 2:12) After this, he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, his brothers, and his disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
(Joh 7:3) His brothers therefore said to him, “Depart from here, and go into Judea, that your disciples also may see your works which you do.
(Joh 7:5) For even his brothers didn’t believe in him.
(Joh 7:10) But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
(Act 1:14) All these with one accord continued steadfastly in prayer and supplication, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
(1Co 9:5) Have we no right to take along a wife who is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
The Cambridge Bible notes on Jesus' brothers:
his brethren] Probably the sons of Joseph and Mary. It is certain that no other view would ever have been propounded except for the assumption that the blessed Virgin remained ever-virgin.
Two theories have been mooted in support of this assumption. (1) The “brethren of the Lord” were His cousins, being sons of Cleophas (or Alphæus), and Mary, a sister of the Virgin Mary. (2) They were sons of Joseph by a former marriage.
Neither of these theories derives any support from the direct words of Scripture, and some facts tend to disprove either. The second theory is the least open to objection on the ground of language, and of the facts of the gospel.
The Apostle John (whom Jesus told to consider Mary as his mother) wrote a letter to Mary - 2 John:
(2Jn 1:1) The elder, to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not I only, but also all those who know the truth;
God never dwelt in the Ark. God's laws (10 commandments) were in the ark. God appeared in a cloud on/above the the mercy seat. The ark of the covenant was/is God's throne on the earth
(Exo 25:22) There I will meet with you, and I will tell you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the testimony, all that I command you for the children of Israel.
(Lev 16:2) and Yahweh said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother, not to come at all times into the Most Holy Place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark; lest he die: for I will appear in the cloud on the mercy seat.
No, it doesn't imply that. You frequently read into verse things that are not there!
But don't fret over it - it's not important. Jesus said, Matthew 12 (WEB):
47) One said to him, “Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you.”
48) But he answered him who spoke to him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
49) He stretched out his hand towards his disciples, and said, “Behold, my mother and my brothers!
50) For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
I don't have access to the original manuscripts! Do your own research. From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_of_John):Show me the original manuscripts
That's not baptism - it's a man made tradition called Christening. To be baptised into Jesus' death you have to believe in Jesus, and believe Jesus. At 16 days old nobody has any knowledge of Jesus or faith in Jesus - that's a gift we receive from God after He has called us. I encourage you to get baptised (full immersion in water).I was baptized at 16 in a font (16 days of course)
Yes, I have read it (and all of the Apocrypha, once).the “tradition of men” is the modern ones like those under king James who negated the word of God with no authority from Christ deleting many books and chapters
ever read of susana Daniel 13?
Jesus said, "Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth" (John 17:17).Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brothers:
(Mat 12:46) While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him.
(Mat 13:55) Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother called Mary, and his brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
(Joh 2:12) After this, he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, his brothers, and his disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
(Joh 7:3) His brothers therefore said to him, “Depart from here, and go into Judea, that your disciples also may see your works which you do.
(Joh 7:5) For even his brothers didn’t believe in him.
(Joh 7:10) But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
(Act 1:14) All these with one accord continued steadfastly in prayer and supplication, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
(1Co 9:5) Have we no right to take along a wife who is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
The Cambridge Bible notes on Jesus' brothers:
his brethren] Probably the sons of Joseph and Mary. It is certain that no other view would ever have been propounded except for the assumption that the blessed Virgin remained ever-virgin.
Two theories have been mooted in support of this assumption. (1) The “brethren of the Lord” were His cousins, being sons of Cleophas (or Alphæus), and Mary, a sister of the Virgin Mary. (2) They were sons of Joseph by a former marriage.
Neither of these theories derives any support from the direct words of Scripture, and some facts tend to disprove either. The second theory is the least open to objection on the ground of language, and of the facts of the gospel.
The Apostle John (whom Jesus told to consider Mary as his mother) wrote a letter to Mary - 2 John:
(2Jn 1:1) The elder, to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not I only, but also all those who know the truth;
God never dwelt in the Ark. God's laws (10 commandments) were in the ark. God appeared in a cloud on/above the the mercy seat. The ark of the covenant was/is God's throne on the earth
(Exo 25:22) There I will meet with you, and I will tell you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the testimony, all that I command you for the children of Israel.
(Lev 16:2) and Yahweh said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother, not to come at all times into the Most Holy Place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark; lest he die: for I will appear in the cloud on the mercy seat.
No, it doesn't imply that. You frequently read into verses things that are not there!
But don't fret over it - it's not important. Jesus said, Matthew 12 (WEB):
47) One said to him, “Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you.”
48) But he answered him who spoke to him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
49) He stretched out his hand towards his disciples, and said, “Behold, my mother and my brothers!
50) For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
He can't be biased and unfair, as He's not a respecter of persons, what one needs to understand is that some, ie, the elect were justified before they were born of woman . His elect does not have free will
Never disagree with the Word - HE always speaks the Truth
If you disagree with HIS words you cannot be sanctified.
You cannot be One with the LORD as he prayed in John chapter 17
May I ask you David, who was Jesus praying to in John 17? What God did he make known His name v 6,26
He can't be biased and unfair, as He's not a respecter of persons, what one needs to understand is that some, ie, the elect were justified before they were born of woman . His elect does not have free will
Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brothers:
(Mat 12:46) While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him.
(Mat 13:55) Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother called Mary, and his brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
(Joh 2:12) After this, he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, his brothers, and his disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
(Joh 7:3) His brothers therefore said to him, “Depart from here, and go into Judea, that your disciples also may see your works which you do.
(Joh 7:5) For even his brothers didn’t believe in him.
(Joh 7:10) But when his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly, but as it were in secret.
(Act 1:14) All these with one accord continued steadfastly in prayer and supplication, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
(1Co 9:5) Have we no right to take along a wife who is a believer, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
The Cambridge Bible notes on Jesus' brothers:
his brethren] Probably the sons of Joseph and Mary. It is certain that no other view would ever have been propounded except for the assumption that the blessed Virgin remained ever-virgin.
Two theories have been mooted in support of this assumption. (1) The “brethren of the Lord” were His cousins, being sons of Cleophas (or Alphæus), and Mary, a sister of the Virgin Mary. (2) They were sons of Joseph by a former marriage.
Neither of these theories derives any support from the direct words of Scripture, and some facts tend to disprove either. The second theory is the least open to objection on the ground of language, and of the facts of the gospel.
(May be brothers but not children of Mary, Lk 1:34)
The Apostle John (whom Jesus told to consider Mary as his mother) wrote a letter to Mary - 2 John:
(2Jn 1:1) The elder, to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not I only, but also all those who know the truth;
Who is this lady? If Mary the children would be her spiritual children
Behold thy mother!
What does Behold in scripture mean?
A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!
Behold thy mother!
John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.
Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!
As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!
Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
God never dwelt in the Ark. God's laws (10 commandments) were in the ark. God appeared in a cloud on/above the the mercy seat. The ark of the covenant was/is God's throne on the earth
(Exo 25:22) There I will meet with you, and I will tell you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the testimony, all that I command you for the children of Israel.
(Lev 16:2) and Yahweh said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother, not to come at all times into the Most Holy Place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark; lest he die: for I will appear in the cloud on the mercy seat.
the ark is the dwelling place and God did make Mary his deep place for 9 months
Must be pure holy and immaculate
Gen 3:15 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1
No, it doesn't imply that. You frequently read into verses things that are not there!
it makes no sense without it Lk 1:34
But don't fret over it - it's not important. Jesus said, Matthew 12 (WEB):
47) One said to him, “Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you.”
48) But he answered him who spoke to him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
49) He stretched out his hand towards his disciples, and said, “Behold, my mother and my brothers!
50) For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
Immersion is acceptable but not requiredThat's not baptism - it's a man made tradition called Christening. To be baptised into Jesus' death you have to believe in Jesus, and believe Jesus. At 16 days old nobody has any knowledge of Jesus or faith in Jesus - that's a gift we receive from God after He has called us. I encourage you to get baptised (full immersion in water).
The word sanctifies yesYes, I have read it (and all of the Apocrypha, once).
Jesus said, "Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth" (John 17:17).