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I agree.

However - since Paul's Letters were Scripture - what about his MISSUNG Letters?
Aren't they ALSO Scripture? And if they ARE - then your Bible is incomplete- according to YOUR standard . . .

The Bible itself states that "God will preserve His word"......so, that is supernatural and that is our Bible.

See, the "word of God, will endure forever" and that means that God is going to cause that to happen, and has....
We have the word of God, and its not the "extant" 30 Koine Greek Texts, or the Latin situation.

Latin and Greek Text Scholars and religious simpletons and all points in between can kick the can around and try to understand """who did what"", and "why is this in there and this isn't'..and the answer is......."God will preserve His word" even if He has to use Religious men or a roaring herd of Japanese cattle.

"Is anything too hard for God"? ?

A.) No
 

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How could a person involved with Peter and Mary mania, feel that Paul's Teaching isn't "stupid"?
So, Of course that is the only option you have to believe.

See, the MaryCult is not built on Paul's NT Doctrine for the Church.
Its entirely built on "Marian Devotion" false theology, and a steady succession of False Popes and what they taught.
The newest one is getting rid of some of St. Francis's morally warped teachings, and not a day too soon.
HUH??
Too bad YOU think Paul’s teaching is “stupid” – but I don’t.

And even Paul would NEVE say that the Church is built on HIS doctrine. Jesus is the Head of the Body (Col. 1:18).


What im showing you, is that The Gospel that Paul was given by Jesus, after Jesus was back in Heaven..., was not given to the other 12 Apostles when Jesus was here on the earth only ministering to the Jews. (House of Israel).

So, The Cross of Christ birthed the NT "body of Christ", which is mostly GENTILES......not Jews.
And, this is why Paul's Gospel is unique, as He is the """Apostle to the Gentiles"""., which makes up most of the New Covenant body of Christ, for the last 2000 yrs.

Now.......When the Tribulation starts then the "time of the Gentiles"" has ended , and Paul's Gosple is no longer found, because God has resumed His dealing with the Jew.
What are YOU smoking? The Apostles learned from the Master Himself – as did Paul. The only difference is that Paulo preached almost exclusively to the Gentiles.

Ignorant people like yourself think he preached a “different” Gospel because you don’t understand the FIRST thing about
CONTEXT . . .
'"Gospels" ?
They dont all have different ones....

And again........go to Galatians 1:8, and read what Paul says about any OTHER Gospel, then HIS..

Its clear as a bell., and is not a myth.
Good grief - he was telling the GALATIANS to beware of false Gospels. They weren’t being preached to by the other Apostles, Einstein.

CONTEXT, son . . .
 

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The Bible itself states that "God will preserve His word"......so, that is supernatural and that is our Bible.
God’s Word IS preserved.

However – the Bible NEVER says that ALL of His Word is encompassed in Scripture. It DOES say, However that His Word is alive in His Church – and that WHATEVER His Church teaches is from
HIM:

Luke 10:16

Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

See, the "word of God, will endure forever" and that means that God is going to cause that to happen, and has....
We have the word of God, and its not the "extant" 30 Koine Greek Texts, or the Latin situation.

Latin and Greek Text Scholars and religious simpletons and all points in between can kick the can around and try to understand """who did what"", and "why is this in there and this isn't'..and the answer is......."God will preserve His word" even if He has to use Religious men or a roaring herd of Japanese cattle.

"Is anything too hard for God"? ?

A.) No
And NONE of the above proves that Scripture is our SOLE Authority.

Try
again . . .
 

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Apparently, you didn't notice the word "vain" which precedes the word "repitition".
YES i DID - Gotcha

Now you are between a 'ROCK and a hard place(hell)'

So choose wisely.

The LORD Jesus Christ (the ROCK of our salvation) said that praying "repititiously" to God is done in "vain".


"And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be heard for their many words
."
 

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You claim to have understanding but cannot understand the word "repititous"!!!

repetitious
/rĕp″ĭ-tĭsh′əs/

adjective​

  1. Filled with repetition, especially needless or tedious repetition.
  2. Repeating; containing repetition.
    Similar: repeating
  3. Characterized by repetition, especially excessive repetition.
Another FAIL . . .

Jesus
made this statement in Matt. 6:7, he was speaking about the nonsensical babbling of pagans to their gods – NOT the sincere prayers of the faithful. We read about them in 1 Kings 18:26-29, where the pagan prophets on Mount Carmel tried to invoke Baal all day long, repeatedly calling on his name and performing ritual dances

In Matt. 26:44, our Lord himself prayed the exact same prayer three times in the Garden of Gethsemane after the Last Supper.

In the Parable of the Determined Widow in Luke 18:7, Jesus emphatically states that God hears those who keep petitioning him in sincere faith: “Will not God then secure the rights of his chosen ones who call out to him day and night? Will he be slow to answer them? I tell you, he will see to it that justice is done for them speedily.”

In Luke 18:13, the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying, “God be merciful to me, a sinner.” This was pleasing to God.

We see in Rev. 4:8 that the angels pray the exact same prayer day and night without ceasing in the presence of almighty God, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.”

Psalm 136
goes on for 26 verses in a row, repeating the exact same prayer, “God's love endures forever”.

Similarly, in Dan. 3:56-88 we read the exact same prayer for 32 verses, which is “bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all forever.” This is FAR more repetitious than a decade of the Rosary.

So much for YOUR disapproval of repetitious prayer . . .
 

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Another FAIL . . .

Jesus
made this statement in Matt. 6:7, he was speaking about the nonsensical babbling of pagans to their gods – NOT the sincere prayers of the faithful. We read about them in 1 Kings 18:26-29, where the pagan prophets on Mount Carmel tried to invoke Baal all day long, repeatedly calling on his name and performing ritual dances

In Matt. 26:44, our Lord himself prayed the exact same prayer three times in the Garden of Gethsemane after the Last Supper.

In the Parable of the Determined Widow in Luke 18:7, Jesus emphatically states that God hears those who keep petitioning him in sincere faith: “Will not God then secure the rights of his chosen ones who call out to him day and night? Will he be slow to answer them? I tell you, he will see to it that justice is done for them speedily.”

In Luke 18:13, the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying, “God be merciful to me, a sinner.” This was pleasing to God.

We see in Rev. 4:8 that the angels pray the exact same prayer day and night without ceasing in the presence of almighty God, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.”

Psalm 136
goes on for 26 verses in a row, repeating the exact same prayer, “God's love endures forever”.

Similarly, in Dan. 3:56-88 we read the exact same prayer for 32 verses, which is “bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all forever.” This is FAR more repetitious than a decade of the Rosary.

So much for YOUR disapproval of repetitious prayer . . .

"And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be heard for their many words."

The Holy Spirit prefers 5th grade level grammar because HE knows your struggle.
Do you understand why the word "vain" is directly in front of and connected to "repititions"?

IF you need assistance = Please consult with a Grade School English Teacher for the answer

FYI - JESUS prayed 3 times in the Garden = and you do not know why................
 
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I might convert to Catholicism, claim apostolic succession, and then make up my own theology.
To expedite this just claim that Mary appeared to you and instructed you to do this.

Burn an image of Mary on a piece of toast and show it as evidence.
 
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Sorry Liz, but when someone gets saved, they are saved forever.

Every sect has garbage doctrine, but having bad doctrine doesn't unsave you, just hampers your fellowship with God and growth in the faith.
Oh dear, I don't know what bible you're reading, but this explains why you are so casual in your attitude. The scriptures are everywhere warning and exhorting the child of God, and for good reason. The devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour, and we have even been foretold there would be a falling away.

Jhn 15:1-6

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.



The truth couldn’t be any simpler and plainer, to those whose hearts and minds are free of bondage to a lie, and are able to simply receive it.
 

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Ah, so, it's not that you didn't notice the words "vain repetition" in my post, it's that you don't understand the difference between repetition and vain repetition. In that case, let's review Matt. 6:

Part I.


“When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward." (v. 5)

Jesus is instructing you to be sincere, both in your words and in your prayers. You are to not behave like the hypocrites, who, when praying, love to stand in synagogues or in the corners of squares where they may be seen by people and praised as just and pious men, whereas, within their families, they are guilty towards God and towards their neighbor. Do you not consider that that is like a form of perjury? Why do you want to maintain as true what is not true in order to win a reputation which you do not deserve? An hypocritical prayer aims at saying: "I am truly a saint. I swear it in the presence of those who see me and cannot deny they saw me praying." Like a veil laid on existing wickedness, a prayer said for such purposes becomes blasphemy.

Let God proclaim you saints and live in such a way that your whole life may shout on your behalf: "Here is a servant of God." But you must be silent for your own sake. Do not allow your tongue to be urged by pride and thus become an object of scandal in the angels' eyes. It would be better for you to become mute at once if you do not have the power to control pride and tongue, and you proclaim yourselves just and pleasing to God. Leave that poor glory to proud and false people. Leave that fleeting reward to haughty and deceitful people! A poor reward! But that is what they want and they will not have any other, because you cannot have more than one. Either the true reward, the Heavenly one, which is eternal and just, or the sham one, the earthly one, which lasts as long as the life of man, and even less, and which is paid for, after this life, with a truly mortifying punishment, because it is an unjust reward.

Listen how you must pray with your lips and with your work and with your whole selves, urged by your hearts which do love God and feel He is your Father, but they always remember who the Creator is and what the creature is, and in the presence of God they are always full of reverential love, whether you are praying or are busy, whether you are walking or resting, earning or helping.

I said urged by your hearts. It is the first and essential feature. Because everything comes from your hearts and your minds: your words, your eyes, your deeds are like your hearts. A just man draws good from his just heart and the more he draws the more he finds, because the good done creates more good, like blood that is renewed circulating in the veins and flows back to the heart enriched with new elements taken from the oxygen, which it had absorbed or from the food juices, which it had assimilated. Whereas a wicked man can draw but fraud and poison from his gloomy heart full of fraud and poison, which grow more and more because they are corroborated by accumulating sins, while the blessings of God accumulate in a good man. You may be sure that it is the exuberance of the heart that overflows from lips and reveals itself in deeds.

"But you, when you pray, enter into your inner room, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly." (v. 6)

Jesus is instructing you to make your hearts humble, pure, loving, trustful and sincere and love God with the chaste love of a virgin for her bridegroom. Each soul is a virgin married to the Eternal Lover, to God Our Lord; this world is the time of engagement during which the guardian angel of every man is the spiritual paranymph, and all the hours and contingencies of life are as many maids preparing the nuptial trousseau. The hour of death is the hour for the accomplished wedding when the introduction, embrace and union take place and the soul can raise the veil of the bridal dress and throw itself into the arms of God and the Spouse will not cause scandal by loving so.

But for the time being, o souls still victimised in the bonds of the engagement to God, when you wish to speak to the Spouse, withdraw to the peace of your abode, above all to the peace of your inner abodes and, angels of flesh helped by your guardian angels, speak to the King of angels. Speak to your Father in the secrecy of your hearts and of your inner rooms. Leave outside everything that belongs to the world: eagerness to be noted and to edify, and the scruples of long prayers full of words, of monotonous, tepid words lacking love. (PV2)

See post #223 for Part II.
Oh the carnal mind of the natural man which cannot receive the things of God nor obey them! How it seeks to wrest and twist and splice and dice to justify things that cannot be justified. Show me Jesus and the apostles praying "the rosary" and I will gladly do it. But never mind, because they simply didn't.

I'm afraid Catholicism is apostate Talmudic Judaism warmed over. It's of the same spirit of apostasy and Babylonian mixture. The Mother of Harlots, Mystery Babylon, has two arms, one Jewish, the other Gentile. This is even why Jesus said to call no man on earth Rabbi or Father. God hates mixture....anyone who actually knows the Lord needs to obey Him and not be unequally yoked with it, but come out of it to be received by Him, lest you receive of her plagues.
 

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HUH??
Too bad YOU think Paul’s teaching is “stupid” – but I don’t.

I only Teach Paul's Theology that containes "Paul's Gospel".

Paul Gospel is 'justification by faith", without the law, self effort, or water baptism.

And even Paul would NEVE say that the Church is built on HIS doctrine. Jesus is the Head of the Body (Col. 1:18).

Jesus is the "Head of the Body", but the Gosple is something Different.


What are YOU smoking? The Apostles learned from the Master Himself – as did Paul. The only difference is that Paulo preached almost exclusively to the Gentiles.


Jesus never gave the original 12 Apostles, "Paul's Gospel", as Christ only gave it to Paul Later, because Jesus called Paul to be the "Apostle to the gentiles" after Jesus was back in Heaven.
This should be obvious to a 3 yrs old.

This is why Paul says that this Gospel is "MY Gospel". 3x in the NT
This is why He told you that your gospel is this : Galatians 1:8, because your gospel is not His.

Ignorant people like yourself think he preached a “different” Gospel because you don’t understand the FIRST thing about CONTEXT

Your mouth is much larger then your IQ.. @BreadOfLife


Notice..

Paul's said '"""""i learned this gospel from no man...., because it came from JESUS""">
And Paul's Gospel, has no water baptism in it......it only has "Justification by faith".

Now, Peter didnt have this Gospel until he met Paul...., as Peter didnt even know that Gentiles could be saved, until Acts 10, when God showed Him.
Acts 10 is 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.

Peter learned Paul's Gospel in Acts 15, when all the Apostles learned it from Paul.., as that is when they met Paul.

Good grief - he was telling the GALATIANS to beware of false Gospels.

Paul said that Galatians 1:8 is.......any person or angel preach any other gospel then His.

So, that is everyone, anyone, anywhere, and it includes Angels.

This means that "Baptismal Regeneration" or any type of "works based" salvation.........Paul used the word "Accursed"......if you teach it.
 

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God’s Word IS preserved.

Its mainly preserved in : English.

However – the Bible NEVER says that ALL of His Word is encompassed in Scripture. It DOES say, However that His Word is alive in His Church – and that WHATEVER His Church teaches is from HIM:

No verse in a Bible, says that "His word is alive in His church, and whatever the church teaches is from Him".

So, you just lied the common "MaryCult" lie, that tries to sit in authority over the word of God.

You should repent of your church's deception, and of lying to this Forum.


Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Luke 10 = Jesus is talking to Jews. (the House of Israel), who rejected Him as their Messiah.

Paul is talking to all SINNERS......as that is EVERYONE.....with the offer of """The free gift of Salvation."""

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth.

Exactly.

And that is why Jesus sent PAUL........as Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine, and the Holy Spirit leads us to understand the revelaitons found in Paul's Epistles, and not just Paul's.

See, to understand Paul's Theology, or the NT or the OT... you have to interpret it through "spiritual discernment", as Paul teaches., as "the bible is spiritually discerned".

You are just reading it as if its a Dictionary, @BreadOfLife .... and the MaryCult is built on that carnal situation, and that is why its such a False Religion.
 

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So, when the Rosary meditation prayer is prayed as intended to be, explain how it's vain repetition.

Mary didnt have a "Rosary" when she was alive. The "Rosary" came much later...much later.

The "Rosary" is an invention of a "Water Cult" the CC, that has attached it to "Mary veneration" or "devotion to Mary".
Its all a mind game.... a deception.. to try to get you "hooked on Mary" and once you are, they become your Religion.

If Mary was on this Earth right now..... she'd Publically deny the "MaryCult".. She'd deny being a "Co-author of Salvaiton".. She'd deny being a "Queen of Heaven"......She'd Deny being a "perpetual virgin".....She'd deny "having no original sin".. and She'd deny "flying to heaven in her dead body".....and She'd Deny it to the POPE's Face.

That's the reality.
 
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It says it is "profitable" and to that end it is profitable but no where does Scripture say it alone is the sole authority. Paul is quite clear that people should should stand for and hold fast to the traditions they were taught word of mouth or by letters.
From the apostles? Yes, they were the foundation of the church with Jesus, but those teachings and traditions for us are found in Scripture.

If the Scriptures alone mature a saint for good works, what else is needed. Once again you are arguing from silence which is a vain argument. We could say because the bible does not say the Quran is bad- it too could be an authority.

But you know better because all things we adhere to must first be filtered and approved through Scripture. No matter what Pope, priest or preacher says it
 

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EPIC FAIL.

Now show me where the Bible says that the BIBLE is our SOLE Authority . . .
Show me where it says that any other autrhority is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness.

Even Jesus said man does not live by bread alone but by every word the comes from god (Scripture)
 

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Oh dear, I don't know what bible you're reading, but this explains why you are so casual in your attitude. The scriptures are everywhere warning and exhorting the child of God, and for good reason. The devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour, and we have even been foretold there would be a falling away.

Jhn 15:1-6

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Rom 11:19-22

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.



The truth couldn’t be any simpler and plainer, to those whose hearts and minds are free of bondage to a lie, and are able to simply receive it.
Well despite your strong implication my7 mind and heart are in bondage and cannot receive what you are peddling, eternal security is the biblical absolute.

Eternal life is just that....ETERNAL. NO where does it say it is temporary.

And you completely misread my attitude!

Most of those verses you cite you have misunderstood and I believe it is because you have not gone back to the greek to look at them.
 

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I recommend that you read this article: Did the Apostles Pray the Rosary?


I suggest you do some historical research using a BIBLE, because no Apostle is venerating Mary, or using a Rosary in the New Testament.

So, if your book says Apostles were twisting beads, then your book and your author are not using the bible, THE NT that the Apostles wrote, as their historical evidence and proof text.

See the Cult of Mary always invents a lot of religiosity, and then they say......>"well, we are the one true church and we teach whatever we create next."....."never mind the bible"..

Did the Apostles Pray the Rosary?
How much more would Satan hate Mary,

Satan created "Marian Devotion"........as He evolved it from "Goddess Diana" Paganism and Gnosticism.
See, The "Goddess Diana" is given the Pagan Titles.

"Queen of Heaven"

"Perpetual Virgin".

That is where this started, and the MaryCult, just adopted it.....as that is Satan's clever design......under the guise of Christianity.
 

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"And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be heard for their many words."

The Holy Spirit prefers 5th grade level grammar because HE knows your struggle.
Do you understand why the word "vain" is directly in front of and connected to "repititions"?

IF you need assistance = Please consult with a Grade School English Teacher for the answer

FYI - JESUS prayed 3 times in the Garden = and you do not know why................
As I educated you I my LAST post – Jesus was talking about the nonsensical babbling of pagans to their gods that we read about in 1 Kings 18:26-29.

In Luke 18:13, were the tax collector’s REPEATED prayers “VAIN” repetitions – or sincere prayers??

In Rev. 4:8 were the REPEATED prayers of Angels “VAIN” repetitions – or sincere prayers??

Is the prayer in Psalm 136 considered “VAIN” repetitions – or sincere prayer??

Is the prayer in Dan. 3:56-88 considered “VAIN” repetitions – or sincere prayer??

You LOSE this argument because you FAIL to understand what Jesus was talking about. The SAME Jesus who prayed REPETITIOUSLY in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt. 26:44).

Do your
HOMEWORK . . .
 

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You LOSE this argument because you FAIL to understand what Jesus was talking about. The SAME Jesus who prayed REPETITIOUSLY in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt. 26:44).

Its more then silly to compare Jesus's few hours of Prayer in The Garden of Gethsemane, with some Catholic or similar who is reciting some learned Rosary Bead religious poem they learned, and have recited for 60 yrs.

In case you didnt know it, Jesus nor his Mother used a Rosary, and Christ's Prayers were not learned, they were originals.
 

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Its mainly preserved in : English.
HUH??

It’s preservd in the original languages and MANY others.

No verse in a Bible, says that "His word is alive in His church, and whatever the church teaches is from Him".

So, you just lied the common "MaryCult" lie, that tries to sit in authority over the word of God.
You should repent of your church's deception, and of lying to this Forum.
WRONG.

Matt 16:16-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23 and 2 Thess 2:15 say PRCISELY that . . .

Luke 10 = Jesus is talking to Jews. (the House of Israel), who rejected Him as their Messiah.

Paul is talking to all SINNERS......as that is EVERYONE.....with the offer of """The free gift of Salvation."""
WRONG.

Jesus is talking to the future leaders of His Church and NOT to the crowds.

Exactly.

And that is why Jesus sent PAUL........as Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine, and the Holy Spirit leads us to understand the revelaitons found in Paul's Epistles, and not just Paul's.

See, to understand Paul's Theology, or the NT or the OT... you have to interpret it through "spiritual discernment", as Paul teaches., as "the bible is spiritually discerned".

You are just reading it as if its a Dictionary, @BreadOfLife .... and the MaryCult is built on that carnal situation, and that is why its such a False Religion.
It’s NOT Paul’s theology – it’s GOD’S.
HE is the Author of Scripture.

The Holy Spirit inspired Paul and the rest to write what they did.
Any FIRST year Bible studen knows this . . .