If Jesus is not original pronunciation, how does it save?

[Smitty]

According to Philippians 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 etc., there is only 1 name above all others.

But "Jesus" is not the original pronunciation.

 

[Deborah_]

Why should that matter? Calling on the name of Jesus isn't reciting a magic spell, but a declaration of trust in a particular Person.

 

[Smitty]

Why should that matter? Calling on the name of Jesus isn't reciting a magic spell, but a declaration of trust in a particular Person.

Why risk your eternal soul?

 

[Josho]

You don't have to be legalistic about it, God understands every language on this earth, and understands every pronunciation, even if you are a toddler, he still understands ya. Our God is an all understanding God. You may not make sense to another human, but it perfectly makes sense to God.

 

[Deborah_]

Why risk your eternal soul?

The apostles didn't seem to care about the 'original' pronunciation of Jesus' name when writing the New Testament. They used the Greek version.

So why does it worry you?

 

[Dcopymope]

According to Philippians 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 etc., there is only 1 name above all others.

But "Jesus" is not the original pronunciation.

So are you saying that only those who speak English, or Hebrew, or Greek, are saved? How about spanish? You do realize that it was God that created the diverse tongues at the tower of Babel right? God spoke all that exists, seen and unseen into existence. Even your DNA is a language in of itself. But you seem to insinuate that God is such a moron that he can't tell if its him being referred to by name since its not being spoken in english? He knows your thoughts and desires, knows the future, but he won't recognize his own name because its not pronounced in the English rendition? Is this thread supposed to be a joke?

 

[Smitty]

So are you saying that only those who speak English, or Hebrew, or Greek, are saved? How about spanish? You do realize that it was God that created the diverse tongues at the tower of Babel right? God spoke all that exists, seen and unseen into existence. Even your DNA is a language in of itself. But you seem to insinuate that God is such a moron that he can't tell if its him being referred to by name since its not being spoken in english? He knows your thoughts and desires, knows the future, but he won't recognize his own name because its not pronounced in the English rendition? Is this thread supposed to be a joke?

You got it backwards.

If you use the English pronunciation of "Jesus", you are NOT saved.

 

[Smitty]

You don't have to be legalistic about it, God understands every language on this earth, and understands every pronunciation, even if you are a toddler, he still understands ya. Our God is an all understanding God. You may not make sense to another human, but it perfectly makes sense to God.

Salvation is dependent on the the name used.

Acts 4:12:

"there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Dcopymope]

You got it backwards.

If you use the English pronunciation of "Jesus", you are NOT saved.

Who the hell are you to say who is and isn't saved based on a damn sound in the air? God being the author of language is not limited by language. If it were so, then God would have told the disciples to spread the gospel only to a select few who speak Hebrew. You sound like one of those sacred name/hebrew roots clowns who elevates themselves as the only true believers because they use the term "Yahshua" or "yahweh" to refer to the Lord. You exemplify why many consider Christianity to be an absolute joke, as you limit the power of God almighty..............to a sound in the air. How did the believers on the day of Pentecost all understand each other in their own diverse tongues? Did language matter to God that day? NO.

(Acts 2:1-13) "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. {2} And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. {3} And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. {4} And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. {5} And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. {6} Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. {7} And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? {8} And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? {9} Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, {10} Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, {11} Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. {12} And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? {13} Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."

The name Jesus in other languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

 

[Smitty]

Who the hell are you to say who is and isn't saved based on a damn sound in the air?

Acts 4:12 says it.

And Philippians 2:9–11 says there is only 1 name above all others.

 

[Smitty]

as you limit the power of God almighty

He himself limits his power.


Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."

 

[kerwin]

According to Philippians 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 etc., there is only 1 name above all others.

But "Jesus" is not the original pronunciation.

It is a legalistic argument; which shows concern about the wrong things.

Yahshua is closer to the Hebrew or Aramaic pronunciation but even that English pronounce as Joshua. .

The meaning is more important than the sounds so in English is should GodisSalavation or theLordSaves.

Even more important is who Jesus is and what he teaches and does.

There are many Yashuas and even a couple more Jesuses in Scripture but only one that is the Christ the Son of the Living God that teaches and walks according to the true gospel.

 

[Born_Again]

Yea, well the Angel told Mary to call Him Emmanuel. (God with us) Yet, they went with Yeshua.

Who the hell are you to say who is and isn't saved based on a damn sound in the air? God being the author of language is not limited by language. If it were so, then God would have told the disciples to spread the gospel only to a select few who speak Hebrew. You sound like one of those sacred name/hebrew roots clowns who elevates themselves as the only true believers because they use the term "Yahshua" or "yahweh" to refer to the Lord. You exemplify why many consider Christianity to be an absolute joke, as you limit the power of God almighty..............to a sound in the air. How did the believers on the day of Pentecost all understand each other in their own diverse tongues? Did language matter to God that day? NO.




The name Jesus in other languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

That escalated quickly.... LOL :lol:

This thread has the potential to get out of hand I can see. Keep it clean guys, or it will be closed.

 

[Dcopymope]

Yea, well the Angel told Mary to call Him Emmanuel. (God with us) Yet, they went with Yeshua.

That escalated quickly.... LOL :lol:

This thread has the potential to get out of hand I can see. Keep it clean guys, or it will be closed.

I really don't see whats supposed to be funny about this? Maybe you should keep this forum clean of real heresies for once, or put asinine trash like this in the 'unorthodox' section, because ain't nothing 'orthodox' or biblically sound about it. As much as some of you creatures like to blast anyone promoting the doctrine of once saved always saved, you all like to disappear into a poof of smoke with beliefs that are far more egregious to the faith.

 

[Smitty]

biblically sound about it.

You are the one who refuses to read the Bible.

Acts 4:12:

"there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Angelina]

HI Smitty,
Which English translated name do you believe can save? :huh:

 

[justaname]

10 γνωστὸν ἔστω πᾶσιν ὑμῖν καὶ παντὶ τῷ λαῷ Ἰσραὴλ ὅτι ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ Ναζωραίου ὃν ὑμεῖς ἐσταυρώσατε, ὃν ὁ θεὸς ἤγειρεν ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἐν τούτῳ οὗτος παρέστηκεν ἐνώπιον ὑμῶν ὑγιής4. 11 οὗτός ἐστιν
ὁ λίθος, ὁ ἐξουθενηθεὶς ὑφʼ ὑμῶν τῶν οἰκοδόμων,
ὁ γενόμενος εἰς κεφαλὴν γωνίας.
12 καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν ἄλλῳ οὐδενὶ ἡ σωτηρία5, οὐδὲ γὰρ ὄνομά ἐστιν ἕτερον ὑπὸ τὸν οὐρανὸν τὸ δεδομένον ἐν ἀνθρώποις ἐν ᾧ δεῖ σωθῆναι ἡμᾶς.

Here is the Greek language the Scripture was written. Technically this is the name referenced: Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ. Taken from verse 10 because verse 11 uses οὗτός ἐστιν which means "this one".

It would have been pronounced Eeaasoo Christoo. Yet even this would be incomplete because the name is qualified with τοῦ Ναζωραίου "of Nazareth". This qualifier would help to distinguish between the different Ἰησοῦ.

Thus pronunciation would again vary. Then as different individuals would have different dialect depending on the different regions of the Roman Empire they came from the pronunciation might also be influenced. In truth it is virtually impossible to know how Peter may have pronounced this Greek phrase, being the Greek he spoke is a dead language, the Hebrew and Aramaic he spoke would have influenced how he pronounced his Greek words, and he is no longer with us to pronounce it for us.

Then this idea gains a greater depth and complexity when we understand it was not Peter that wrote this but rather Luke. So then one must ask themselves if the Jewish Peter pronunciation or the Gentile Luke pronunciation is to be adhered to.

So then I must logically deduce God is not concerned with proper pronunciation, rather with a proper understanding of who the person of Ἰησοῦ is.

 

[kerwin]

You are the one who refuses to read the Bible.

Acts 4:12:

"there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

You really need to learn to use a dictionary.

I doubt you do but your words made it seem like you lack knowledge; perhaps because you are just learning English. I know that instead you have probably allowed Satan to narrow your mindset as he is tricky.

For instance, name of the Law means authority of the Law; which you are probably aware of already. In short. context indicates what the word name means and there are many persons that are named Yahushua but only one that saves. Therefor it is clearly not speaking of the meaningless sounds of the surname.

The letter is deceptive but the Spirit is true. Please, learn to listen to the Spirit!

 

[kerwin]

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So then I must logically deduce God is not concerned with proper pronunciation, rather with a proper understanding of who the person of Ἰησοῦ is.

I do not know about all the rest but I will certainly agree with this statement.

 

[Born_Again]

I really don't see whats supposed to be funny about this? Maybe you should keep this forum clean of real heresies for once, or put asinine trash like this in the 'unorthodox' section, because ain't nothing 'orthodox' or biblically sound about it. As much as some of you creatures like to blast anyone promoting the doctrine of once saved always saved, you all like to disappear into a poof of smoke with beliefs that are far more egregious to the faith.

I had two options here, 1. Laugh at how upset you got and try to ignore your tone and language in the first post.. or 2. I could delete your post and deal with your violations of the conduct rules for CyB.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if you want to keep an attitude, thats cool too!

BA