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Why risk your eternal soul?Deborah_ said:Why should that matter? Calling on the name of Jesus isn't reciting a magic spell, but a declaration of trust in a particular Person.
Smitty said:Why risk your eternal soul?
So are you saying that only those who speak English, or Hebrew, or Greek, are saved? How about spanish? You do realize that it was God that created the diverse tongues at the tower of Babel right? God spoke all that exists, seen and unseen into existence. Even your DNA is a language in of itself. But you seem to insinuate that God is such a moron that he can't tell if its him being referred to by name since its not being spoken in english? He knows your thoughts and desires, knows the future, but he won't recognize his own name because its not pronounced in the English rendition? Is this thread supposed to be a joke?Smitty said:According to Philippians 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 etc., there is only 1 name above all others.
But "Jesus" is not the original pronunciation.
You got it backwards.Dcopymope said:So are you saying that only those who speak English, or Hebrew, or Greek, are saved? How about spanish? You do realize that it was God that created the diverse tongues at the tower of Babel right? God spoke all that exists, seen and unseen into existence. Even your DNA is a language in of itself. But you seem to insinuate that God is such a moron that he can't tell if its him being referred to by name since its not being spoken in english? He knows your thoughts and desires, knows the future, but he won't recognize his own name because its not pronounced in the English rendition? Is this thread supposed to be a joke?
Salvation is dependent on the the name used.Josho said:You don't have to be legalistic about it, God understands every language on this earth, and understands every pronunciation, even if you are a toddler, he still understands ya. Our God is an all understanding God. You may not make sense to another human, but it perfectly makes sense to God.
Smitty said:You got it backwards.
If you use the English pronunciation of "Jesus", you are NOT saved.
The name Jesus in other languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)(Acts 2:1-13) "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. {2} And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. {3} And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. {4} And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. {5} And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. {6} Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. {7} And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? {8} And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? {9} Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, {10} Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, {11} Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. {12} And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? {13} Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."
Acts 4:12 says it.Dcopymope said:Who the hell are you to say who is and isn't saved based on a damn sound in the air?
He himself limits his power.Dcopymope said:as you limit the power of God almighty
It is a legalistic argument; which shows concern about the wrong things.Smitty said:According to Philippians 2:9-11, Acts 4:12 etc., there is only 1 name above all others.
But "Jesus" is not the original pronunciation.
That escalated quickly.... LOL :lol:Dcopymope said:Who the hell are you to say who is and isn't saved based on a damn sound in the air? God being the author of language is not limited by language. If it were so, then God would have told the disciples to spread the gospel only to a select few who speak Hebrew. You sound like one of those sacred name/hebrew roots clowns who elevates themselves as the only true believers because they use the term "Yahshua" or "yahweh" to refer to the Lord. You exemplify why many consider Christianity to be an absolute joke, as you limit the power of God almighty..............to a sound in the air. How did the believers on the day of Pentecost all understand each other in their own diverse tongues? Did language matter to God that day? NO.
The name Jesus in other languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)
I really don't see whats supposed to be funny about this? Maybe you should keep this forum clean of real heresies for once, or put asinine trash like this in the 'unorthodox' section, because ain't nothing 'orthodox' or biblically sound about it. As much as some of you creatures like to blast anyone promoting the doctrine of once saved always saved, you all like to disappear into a poof of smoke with beliefs that are far more egregious to the faith.Born_Again said:Yea, well the Angel told Mary to call Him Emmanuel. (God with us) Yet, they went with Yeshua.
That escalated quickly.... LOL :lol:
This thread has the potential to get out of hand I can see. Keep it clean guys, or it will be closed.
Dcopymope said:biblically sound about it.
You really need to learn to use a dictionary.Smitty said:You are the one who refuses to read the Bible.
Acts 4:12:
"there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
I do not know about all the rest but I will certainly agree with this statement.justaname said:....
So then I must logically deduce God is not concerned with proper pronunciation, rather with a proper understanding of who the person of Ἰησοῦ is.
I had two options here, 1. Laugh at how upset you got and try to ignore your tone and language in the first post.. or 2. I could delete your post and deal with your violations of the conduct rules for CyB.Dcopymope said:I really don't see whats supposed to be funny about this? Maybe you should keep this forum clean of real heresies for once, or put asinine trash like this in the 'unorthodox' section, because ain't nothing 'orthodox' or biblically sound about it. As much as some of you creatures like to blast anyone promoting the doctrine of once saved always saved, you all like to disappear into a poof of smoke with beliefs that are far more egregious to the faith.