If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

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Christ through Paul teaches how we receive the HS.
Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)
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Eph 1:13 :-
In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 :-
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
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Christ through Paul teaches how we receive the HS.
Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)
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Eph 1:13 :-
In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 :-
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Considering we are sealed by God Himself, "unto the day of redemption", I don't see how anyone but God Himself could "unseal" us. Considering that this is "unto the day of redemption", it seems He has no intention of unsealing us.

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Considering we are sealed by God Himself, "unto the day of redemption", I don't see how anyone but God Himself could "unseal" us. Considering that this is "unto the day of redemption", it seems He has no intention of unsealing us.

Much love!
To become UNsealed equates to become UNsaved.
If we are saved & sealed by the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13) taught to Paul by Christ (Gal 1:11-12) then I ask those who believe we can become UNsealed/UNsaved to list the verses where Christ through Paul teaches that.
 
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As far as I know,God never tells us we can be unsealed.

We are saved by his grace. Not our efforts.
If we could become unsealed, I think that would mean God made a wrong choice in putting that one in his grace.

And,of course if unsealing were possible God would be quite explicit about that.
Which as far as I know in reading his book,he is not so.

Because God doesn't choose mistakes.
 

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The Scriptures make it plain that some people turn away from trusting Yahavah and the Lord Yeshua. The prophets, Yeshua, and the apostles all acknowledge this reality. “My people are bent on turning away from Me” (Hosea 11:7). Yeshua Himself spoke of those who “receive the word with joy… yet fall away” (Luke 8:13).

The question then becomes: Does God allow people to go on living apart from Him?

I believe He absolutely does. Scripture shows that Yahavah does not force Himself on anyone. He allows people to walk the path they choose, even when it leads away from Him. “God gave them over to their own desires” (Romans 1:24). That isn’t abandonment — it’s God honoring human freedom, even when it breaks His heart.

Many people today have been deeply wounded by religious institutions. They walk away from faith, stop believing, and no longer seek God at all. This isn’t new. Yeshua saw it in His own generation. Paul saw it. The prophets saw it. And Yahavah still allows people to make their own decisions.

But even when people walk away, Scripture also shows that Yahavah remains patient and merciful. “The Lord is patient… not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

People may renounce Him, but He does not stop being who He is — faithful, steady, and present for those who turn back.
 

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The Scriptures make it plain that some people turn away from trusting Yahavah and the Lord Yeshua. The prophets, Yeshua, and the apostles all acknowledge this reality. “My people are bent on turning away from Me” (Hosea 11:7). Yeshua Himself spoke of those who “receive the word with joy… yet fall away” (Luke 8:13).

The question then becomes: Does God allow people to go on living apart from Him?

I believe He absolutely does. Scripture shows that Yahavah does not force Himself on anyone. He allows people to walk the path they choose, even when it leads away from Him. “God gave them over to their own desires” (Romans 1:24). That isn’t abandonment — it’s God honoring human freedom, even when it breaks His heart.

Many people today have been deeply wounded by religious institutions. They walk away from faith, stop believing, and no longer seek God at all. This isn’t new. Yeshua saw it in His own generation. Paul saw it. The prophets saw it. And Yahavah still allows people to make their own decisions.

But even when people walk away, Scripture also shows that Yahavah remains patient and merciful. “The Lord is patient… not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

People may renounce Him, but He does not stop being who He is — faithful, steady, and present for those who turn back.
But,not any of those passages or opinions behind them show God unseals those in his grace.
 
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But,not any of those passages or opinions behind them show God unseals those in his grace.

It shows he will let you go though. It’s important to understand and know? At least in my opinion. I just like sharing the truth on matters.

That could be the “unsealed part” of the question, right?
 

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Okay then. You have a good one then alright. I’m just sharing information. I just want to share like any other person.
There's a difference I think in saying someone is sharing their opinion of God's particular scripture,to that of claiming that opinion is the truth defining that particular passage.

Do you ever admit when you are wrong in your understanding?
 

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There's a difference I think in saying someone is sharing their opinion of God's particular scripture,to that of claiming that opinion is the truth defining that particular passage.

Do you ever admit when you are wrong in your understanding?

Hello GrayJoy, I’m sorry if you feel some type of way about me. i don’t think i was wrong on what i shared. No one should ever believe me though. Thanks.

The question was if you are sealed how to you become unsealed?

You leave the faith: People do that.

Everyone has their own choice to make.
 

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That’s fine. I pmd, you. You take care Gray Joy. There no sense in being so brash.
 
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That’s fine. I pmd, you. You take care Gray Joy. There no sense in being so brash.
I'm not being brash. You're making accusatory charges toward me,while avoiding civil on topic discourse. The passive aggressive demeanor.

I asked if you ever admit you're wrong about your opinion of a teaching of Christ.
A yes or no response was all that was needed.

And you set off on your accusatory behavior. Without realizing you ultimately did answer that simple question.
No. You do not admit when you're wrong in your opinion about any given teaching in God's word.

You are wrong when you say God lets us go.
He does not ever say that.
Your flesh is your foundation.Self.
Which is why your understanding is troubled.
 

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I’m sorry but I shared what was true. To me because of your continued comments it seems you already didn’t like what I shared.

People make a choice to let God go.

That’s truth. I never said he doesn’t stop calling or anything like that.

So … I mean it just is what it is. I’m not upset about it.




When people come in and comment cryptic stuff I get skeptic about a persons intentions.


Therefore my decision is just to ignore you. All the best.


I can always be wrong about anything but what I Shared wasn’t wrong at all it was just truth.

Idk why people hate it so much but I live in reality.
 

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The Scriptures make it plain that some people turn away from trusting Yahavah and the Lord Yeshua. The prophets, Yeshua, and the apostles all acknowledge this reality. “My people are bent on turning away from Me” (Hosea 11:7). Yeshua Himself spoke of those who “receive the word with joy… yet fall away” (Luke 8:13).

The question then becomes: Does God allow people to go on living apart from Him?

I believe He absolutely does. Scripture shows that Yahavah does not force Himself on anyone. He allows people to walk the path they choose, even when it leads away from Him. “God gave them over to their own desires” (Romans 1:24). That isn’t abandonment — it’s God honoring human freedom, even when it breaks His heart.

Many people today have been deeply wounded by religious institutions. They walk away from faith, stop believing, and no longer seek God at all. This isn’t new. Yeshua saw it in His own generation. Paul saw it. The prophets saw it. And Yahavah still allows people to make their own decisions.

But even when people walk away, Scripture also shows that Yahavah remains patient and merciful. “The Lord is patient… not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).

People may renounce Him, but He does not stop being who He is — faithful, steady, and present for those who turn back.
More wrong understanding on your part.
Here is what Christ through Paul taught as to how we are saved & sealed
The verses do the talking, not you or I
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Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
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The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 

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From the OP:
Christ through Paul teaches how we receive the HS.
Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)
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Eph 1:13 :-
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Rather, context is required. We must consider the complete sentence:

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

earnest = down payment

Tick, tick, tick...

Eph 4:30 :-
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
If one cannot become "un-sealed" in the meantime, then why the admonition to "grieve not the holy Spirit of God"?
 

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From the OP:

Rather, context is required. We must consider the complete sentence:

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

earnest = down payment

Tick, tick, tick...


If one cannot become "un-sealed" in the meantime, then why the admonition to "grieve not the holy Spirit of God"?
Grieve not the holy Spirit. Grieve,sadden,upset,
disappoint.

That's not to say,evict.
 

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Grieve not the holy Spirit. Grieve,sadden,upset,
disappoint.

That's not to say,evict.
You mean, like, "almost preg"?

Why should I be concerned about 'grieving, saddening, upsetting or disappointing' the Holy Spirit if the "seal" ensures my salvation?

The seal is an earnest, a down payment, not a guarantee. IOW, in the meantime, do not default on the deal prior to redemption.
 
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