IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

[Doug]

This will examine the assertion that there is only one church.

Paul calls the Corinthian church the body of Christ.............[1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV] "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.".............The body of Christ inherits the heavenly places..........[Ephesians 1:3 KJV] "Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:"

Jesus said he was forming his church............[Matthew 16:18 KJV] "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.".............Jesus didn't call his church the body of Christ, he called it the little flock........[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

Look at this verse again................[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."..........this little flock church will inherit the kingdom on earth and reign with Christ a thousand years..........[Matthew 5:5 KJV] "Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."
[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."................The disciples weren't looking for a heavenly kingdom, they were asking when the previous Davidic kingdom on earth would be restored..................[Acts 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"............. if there is just one church and this church inherits the earthly kingdom, then who will be in heaven? Does scripture say some of the church inherits the kingdom on earth and some inherit heaven? It makes more sense to just acknowledge that there are two separate churches; one church, the little flock, inherits the earth and the other church, the body of Christ, inherits heaven. God has two churches which serve his purpose to reconcile heaven and earth to himself.

The little flock of Israel was promised a land on earth for ever..........[Genesis 13:15 KJV] "For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."........Israel was not promised a place in heaven.

The body of Christ is promised the heavenly places...........[2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV] "For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.".......The body of Christ was not promised a land on earth.

 

[Deborah_]

Why can't the one church be likened to both a flock and a body, in different contexts?

Revelation 21 tells us that the Church will descend from heaven to earth - and when God is dwelling on earth with His people, the distinction between heaven and earth will be abolished.

 

[Doug]

Why can't the one church be likened to both a flock and a body, in different contexts?

Revelation 21 tells us that the Church will descend from heaven to earth - and when God is dwelling on earth with His people, the distinction between heaven and earth will be abolished.

The church cant be the little flock and the body of Christ because they are two different churches

They have different gospels:
The little flock believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They preached to believe on his name only, not the cross. They preached the gospel of the kingdom, in which, they would reign on earth with Christ in the Davidic kingdom.
The body of Christ believed the gospel Paul preached. Paul preached the cross and the shed blood. That Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification.

They have different apostles:
Peter was apostle to the Jews
Paul was apostle to Gentiles..............[Galatians 2:8 KJV] "(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"

They have different doctrine:
Jesus told the little flock to keep the law
Paul told the body of Christ they werent under the law, but grace

They have different inheritance:
The little flock will inherit the earth
The body of Christ will be in heaven

As far as Revelation 21. The new Jerusalem city comes down from heaven

 

[saved by grace 101]

All things are YOURS

The church cant be the little flock and the body of Christ because they are two different churches

They have different gospels:


They have different apostles:
Peter was apostle to the Jews
Paul was apostle to Gentiles..............[Galatians 2:8 KJV] "(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"

They have different doctrine:

All things are YOURS whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas 1Cor3:22
So why did Paul tell the Corinthians all things were theirs, and then include Peter in that if they had different Apostles and doctrine?

 

[Doug]

All things are YOURS


All things are YOURS whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas 1Cor3:22
So why did Paul tell the Corinthians all things were theirs, and then include Peter in that if they had different Apostles and doctrine?

The Corinthians were ascribing authority to others by whom they believed I think that Paul was writing to include the little flock who were being included in Paul's ministry. They werent part of the body of Christ but were under his teachings and some were helpers. They would be included in having all things which would include the world to come. That is not to say that the little flock recognized by Paul as being part of his ministry would inherit anything more than what was promised them, which was the land and kingdom on earth.

 

[saved by grace 101]

The Corinthians were ascribing authority to others by whom they believed I think that Paul was writing to include the little flock who were being included in Paul's ministry. They werent part of the body of Christ but were under his teachings and some were helpers. They would be included in having all things which would include the world to come. That is not to say that the little flock recognized by Paul as being part of his ministry would inherit anything more than what was promised them, which was the land and kingdom on earth.

For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 1Cor15:9

The church of God, I assume to you in the above is not the church Paul was part of, but one only for the little flock.
Although he uses the same phrase when writing to the Corinthians

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:

And again:
For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. Gal1:13
Its a good job we have people to elucidate on what Paul meant, he seems, if you are correct not to be making matters clear. Don't you think he should be explaining there are two seperate churches of God?

 

[amigo de christo]

All things are YOURS


All things are YOURS whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas 1Cor3:22
So why did Paul tell the Corinthians all things were theirs, and then include Peter in that if they had different Apostles and doctrine?

not a word . not a word heed from the lips of men
who act and behave as though there were TWO gospels .
THERE WAS ONLY ONE GOSPEL and it was given to both the jews and gentiles .
And the apostels preached it first and later paul would preach it too .
This people been sitting under men gone wrong my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 1Cor15:9

The church of God, I assume to you in the above is not the church Paul was part of, but one only for the little flock.
Although he uses the same phrase when writing to the Corinthians

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:

And again:
For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. Gal1:13
Its a good job we have people to elucidate on what Paul meant, he seems, if you are correct not to be making matters clear. Don't you think he should be explaining there are two seperate churches of God?A

and even more proof they lie to us my friend .
GO to and let this generation also read the two letters of peter.
THEN read the second one .
THEY ALL READ each others letters . PETER even mentioned pauls letters .
Now if paul preached another g ospel than did peter
WHY was the distniction of , as you rightly stated TWO CHURchES not mentioned .
BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT TWO CHURCHES .
THERE IS ONE CHURCH . and it consists of every jewish beleiver and gentile beleiver .
Look at how clear paul was in the letter to the ephsians
about GOD having broken down the middle wall of partion between
us
and HAVING RECONCILED THEM BOTH , both jew and gentile INTO ONE BODY .
NOW if peter had a problem with that one , WHY did he rather support pauls let ters .
WHY
CAUSE EVEN JESUS had said the same .
AND others i have which are NOT of this flock , them must i also bring
AND THEY WILL BE ONE FLOCK with ONE SHEPARD . WE been lied too by pauline false doctrine
and o thers too . THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD , ONE LORD , ONE SPIRIT , ONE BODY , ONE GOSPEL
by whcih if one believes IN JESUS they are ADDED INTO THAT ONE BODY . real simple if ya ask me.
BUT THEN i never sat under these decieved men of countless denominations and etc .
BY grace GOD just put me into THE ON E BOOK we really do need to be reading and learning for our own selves .
MEN have long molested them words to recreate their own stuff and for men to follow them .

 

[Doug]

For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 1Cor15:9

The church of God, I assume to you in the above is not the church Paul was part of, but one only for the little flock.
Although he uses the same phrase when writing to the Corinthians

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:

And again:
For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. Gal1:13
Its a good job we have people to elucidate on what Paul meant, he seems, if you are correct not to be making matters clear. Don't you think he should be explaining there are two seperate churches of God?

Sorry I dont get your point
Paul persecuted the little flock church who were lead by Jesus and the twelve. Why would he have to state that there was a church before Christ formed the body of Christ. It is evident he persecuted an existing church

 

[saved by grace 101]

Sorry I dont get your point
Paul persecuted the little flock church who were lead by Jesus and the twelve. Why would he have to state that there was a church before Christ formed the body of Christ. It is evident he persecuted an existing church

The church he persecuted was the church of God that existed before he became a christian

 

[Doug]

The church he persecuted was the church of God that existed before he became a christian

Yes he persecuted the little flock remnant of Israel
Church of God is a generic term used for the little flock church and the body of Christ
Sorry still dont get what your point is

 

[Doug]

The church he persecuted was the church of God that existed before he became a christian

Please tell me are you agreeing or disagreeing with me on some matter. I just dont know what to make of your posts

 

[Doug]

The church he persecuted was the church of God that existed before he became a christian

I took another look at your post
are you saying that when he was saved he became a member of the church he persecuted and he didnt form a new one called the body of Christ?

 

[saved by grace 101]

I took another look at your post
are you saying that when he was saved he became a member of the church he persecuted and he didnt form a new one called the body of Christ?

Well Paul went to Jerusalem to have decided which Jewish laws gentiles should be asked follow. He submitted to the decision suggested by James and took the letter confirming the decision to churches you would believe were in the BOC. Why would he go to those outside of the BOC, to have decided which laws those in the BOC should follow?

 

[Doug]

Well Paul went to Jerusalem to have decided which Jewish laws gentiles should be asked follow. He submitted to the decision suggested by James and took the letter confirming the decision to churches you would believe were in the BOC. Why would he go to those outside of the BOC, to have decided which laws those in the BOC should follow?

The Gentiles at issue were not Gentiles in the body of Christ, they were Gentiles in the little flock remnant. They were saved in Acts 10 by believing only on the name of Jesus. They believed Peter's preaching.

 

[amigo de christo]

If there is only one church then WHO gets to heaven .........
WELL THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH
consisting of the jew and gentile WHO BELEIVED ON JESUS .
THAT is who gets heaven and has eternal life.
ALL outside of that body , damanation awaits . SO time it is and it is time
to POINT all that has breath to JESUS THE CHRIST . `

 

[amigo de christo]

Many preach DISSUMLATION .
Trying to seperate jews who beleive f rom gentiles who beleive .
Peter got corrected for doing such a thing .
Yet even HE did not try and say What i see others trying to imply .
Cease trying to create two churches
and preach rather ONE BODY , THE BODY OF CHRIST , the CHURCH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
whose SHEPARD BE KING JESUS and within it
are all jews and all gentiles who came to FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
and now are ONE IN HIM
where there is neither jew or gentile
BUT CHRIST and a new creature . TO the trenches one and all . MEN have fleeced us for years .
And now in t his late hour
a unfying force of darkness has come to gather all of the darkness to be as one
under what they all beleive to be GOD and HIS LOVE . only it AINT GOD OR HIS LOVE .

 

[saved by grace 101]

The Gentiles at issue were not Gentiles in the body of Christ, they were Gentiles in the little flock remnant. They were saved in Acts 10 by believing only on the name of Jesus. They believed Peter's preaching.

So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.

Do I assume you believe the church at Antioch consisted solely of Cornelius and his household?
Cornelius lived in Ceaserea, not Antioch

 

[amigo de christo]

So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.

Do I assume you believe the church at Antioch consisted solely of Cornelius and his household?
Cornelius lived in Ceaserea, not Antioch

verily verily i do type unto thee , remember yester what was written .
THE DUDE sat under men who preached they own pauline theology .
Many will die before they abandon what men twisted unto them .
ITS GOOD if we are willing to die standing on TRUTH
But when a man chooses to die standing on what men SAY is truth , that was vain faith
and will have profited them NAUGHT but the whirlwind of destruction
on the great and mighty DAY of THE LORD .
Another just wrote this very morning , that people
hear , see and beleive exactly what THEY DESIRE TO BELEIVE .
But let me just say
SHEEP HAVE A WHOLE NEW DESIRE , and they see and desire to beleive .............TRUTH .
So there it is for all to see and to examine .
AND BY Examine and examination had , I MEAN ITS HIGH TIME
for all folks to see if what they really love and desired was T RUTH
or was it just doctrines of men g one wrong .
SO , YES its gonna mean bible time in the house .

 

[Taken]

IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

* The Church;
(Effected by, through of Christ Jesus forward)
ie Those (having Confessed), been MADE WHOLE (body, soul, spirit), Before Mortal Death…(but by Crucifixion with Jesus’ Body).

* Not the Church…
(Effected by, through, of the Lord God Almighty.)
Ancient OT men,
and Forward Through NT men,
and Through the Last Great Tribulations,
and Any during Christ King Jesus’ 1,000 year Reign….
WHO ARE;
Righteous, “Heartful” Believers maintaining / keeping Belief (by “their own” enduring WILL-power), to the Moment of Their Mortal Death.

Glory To Our Great Graceful and Just God,
Taken