In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

[covenantee]

None of you have done any such thing until you have shown it with the text itself. Verse 27 is the text itself, so where is there anything in that verse that supports that the 70 weeks ended in 34 AD?

On another note, obviously once Christ returns all these things will be revealed where it is no longer a question as to how this should be interpreted, how that should be interpreted. And once it is revealed that the 70 weeks never ended in 34 AD to begin with, are you all planning on arguing with Christ about that, insisting He too is wrong that it is you that is correct, or do you plan on accepting you were wrong the entire time? The way some of you act at times by placing your doctrinal bias' high above the truth, I can see you actually refusing to take His word for it, thus arguing with Him about it.

In my case if it turns out that I have been wrong about this or anything else involving other subjects, I'm simply going to accept that I was wrong the entire time, therefore, the last thing I would be trying to do is argue with Christ about it.

The year that Jesus was born is not shown with the text itself.

So obviously Jesus was never born.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

On another note, obviously once Christ returns all these things will be revealed where it is no longer a question as to how this should be interpreted, how that should be interpreted. And once it is revealed that the 70 weeks never ended in 34 AD to begin with, are you all planning on arguing with Christ about that, insisting He too is wrong that it is you that is correct, or do you plan on accepting you were wrong the entire time? The way some of you act at times by placing your doctrinal bias' high above the truth, I can see you actually refusing to take His word for it, thus arguing with Him about it.

This was just an outright foolish thing to say. Are you for real or is this all just a big game and a big joke to you? Are you kidding us here? There's no way in the world that I would argue with Christ about anything and I'm sure the same is true for covenantee. What do you think you accomplish by saying ludicrous things like this?

In my case if it turns out that I have been wrong about this or anything else involving other subjects, I'm simply going to accept that I was wrong the entire time, therefore, the last thing I would be trying to do is argue with Christ about it.

That's the last thing I would ever do as well, so you obviously don't know me at all.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You've been shown that the 70th week ended in 34 AD.

“No, it wasn’t. That’s just your unbiblical made-up private interpretation trying to pass as truth. Sorry to burst your 34AD bubble.

It is your own dispensationalized decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week that stretches indefinitely into the future.

Blah blah blah—‘dispensationalized’ this, ‘undetermined’ that. Your tired buzzwords don’t refute a single thing. The final covenant week is still rolling on until the Consummation, like it or lump it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

“No, it wasn’t. That’s just your unbiblical made-up private interpretation trying to pass as truth. Sorry to burst your 34AD bubble.


Blah blah blah—‘dispensationalized’ this, ‘undetermined’ that. Your tired buzzwords don’t refute a single thing. The final covenant week is still rolling on until the Consummation, like it or lump it.

Why do you have the final week lasting far longer than any of the other weeks? Where is there any indication that the weeks are not all of the same duration? Nowhere.

 

[covenantee]

Why do you have the final week lasting far longer than any of the other weeks? Where is there any indication that the weeks are not all of the same duration? Nowhere.

Excellent point bro.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Why do you have the final week lasting far longer than any of the other weeks? Where is there any indication that the weeks are not all of the same duration? Nowhere.

Why? Because this final week is NOT a literal seven-year period limited to when Christ confirmed the New Covenant. Rather, it represents the entire New Covenant era—from the Cross all the way to the Consummation. It is all about the great commission of the New Testament congregation. Period.

This includes the time when the Woman—the New Testament church—fled into the wilderness to preach for 1,260 symbolic days. It’s the same period during which the Two Witnesses were empowered to preach the gospel to the world for 1,260 symbolic days. It also encompasses the 1,290 symbolic days during which the Abomination of Desolation stands within the unfaithful congregation, continuing until the 1,335th day—the blessed day of the Second Coming, which is the Consummation.



So yes, the final covenant week is a lengthy, symbolic period spanning from the Cross to the Second Coming.

It has NOTHING to do with your narrow vision of the Jewish animal sacrificial system or a physical temple being destroyed in 70 AD—or even 34 AD!

Therefore, the biblical overview of the 70 weeks in Daniel 9 runs from the command to rebuild the city, through the Jubilee year, to the coming of Messiah the Prince of Israel. After 62 weeks, Messiah is cut off, and He confirms or strengthens the New Covenant by His work on the Cross—for one final week.

During this week, the abomination stands in the holy place, and sacrifice and the gift cease. For example, after all the Elect are secured, there is no more salvation left in the churches. The power of the Holy People is scattered by the beast, resulting in a spiritual famine where the Word of God is no longer freely preached—no more free gift or sacrifice in the Temple.

This abomination leaves the Temple desolate, and if these days of tribulation and trouble were not shortened, no flesh would remain to be saved, since sacrifice and offering have ceased. But for the sake of God’s chosen, the days are shortened—culminating in the rapture at the end, the Consummation.

 

[covenantee]

Why? Because this final week is NOT a literal seven-year period limited to when Christ confirmed the New Covenant. Rather, it represents the entire New Covenant era—from the Cross all the way to the Consummation. It is all about the great commission of the New Testament congregation. Period.

This includes the time when the Woman—the New Testament church—fled into the wilderness to preach for 1,260 symbolic days. It’s the same period during which the Two Witnesses were empowered to preach the gospel to the world for 1,260 symbolic days. It also encompasses the 1,290 symbolic days during which the Abomination of Desolation stands within the unfaithful congregation, continuing until the 1,335th day—the blessed day of the Second Coming, which is the Consummation.

So yes, the final covenant week is a lengthy, symbolic period spanning from the Cross to the Second Coming.

It has NOTHING to do with your narrow vision of the Jewish animal sacrificial system or a physical temple being destroyed in 70 AD—or even 34 AD!

Therefore, the biblical overview of the 70 weeks in Daniel 9 runs from the command to rebuild the city, through the Jubilee year, to the coming of Messiah the Prince of Israel. After 62 weeks, Messiah is cut off, and He confirms or strengthens the New Covenant by His work on the Cross—for one final week.

During this week, the abomination stands in the holy place, and sacrifice and the gift cease. For example, after all the Elect are secured, there is no more salvation left in the churches. The power of the Holy People is scattered by the beast, resulting in a spiritual famine where the Word of God is no longer freely preached—no more free gift or sacrifice in the Temple.

This abomination leaves the Temple desolate, and if these days of tribulation and trouble were not shortened, no flesh would remain to be saved, since sacrifice and offering have ceased. But for the sake of God’s chosen, the days are shortened—culminating in the rapture at the end, the Consummation.

A test of cultism:

Who in pre-1800 historical orthodox Christianity espoused your opinions?

Just one name, date, source, and quote will suffice.

 

[TribulationSigns]

A test of cultism:

Who in pre-1800 historical orthodox Christianity espoused your opinions?

Just one name, date, source, and quote will suffice.

How about the 66 books of the Bible? Doesn't interpretation belong to God?

Gen 40:8
(8) And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

That's what my testimony is based on. Not on the consensus of men.

 

[covenantee]

How about the 66 books of the Bible? Doesn't interpretation belong to God?

Gen 40:8
(8) And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

That's what my testimony is based on. Not on the consensus of men.

As expected. The claim to be the sole purveyor of truth.

Classic cultism.

 

[TribulationSigns]

As expected. The claim to be the sole purveyor of truth.

Classic cultism.

Oh, wow, cultism? How original. It’s not cultism at all — it’s simply letting Scripture interpret Scripture and be its own interpreter. But I guess that’s too much truth for you to handle, so you just label it to avoid facing reality. Thanks for confirming you’d rather cling to private opinion or men than the Word itself.

Classic avoidance technique!

 

[covenantee]

Oh, wow, cultism? How original. It’s not cultism at all — it’s simply letting Scripture interpret Scripture and be its own interpreter. But I guess that’s too much truth for you to handle, so you just label it to avoid facing reality. Thanks for confirming you’d rather cling to private opinion or men than the Word itself.

Classic avoidance technique!

All of the cults claim to be sole purveyors of truth.

There's nothing distinguishing you from them.

 

[TribulationSigns]

All of the cults claim to be sole purveyors of truth.

There's nothing distinguishing you from them.

Read again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why?

Yep, that's what I asked. LOL.

Because this final week is NOT a literal seven-year period limited to when Christ confirmed the New Covenant. Rather, it represents the entire New Covenant era—from the Cross all the way to the Consummation. It is all about the great commission of the New Testament congregation. Period.

Weak answer. Why isn't it referred to as something other than a week if it's not the same duration as the other 69 weeks? What you said here does not explain that. Do you believe the other 69 weeks all are of the same duration?

 

[covenantee]

Oh, wow, cultism? How original. It’s not cultism at all — it’s simply letting Scripture interpret Scripture and be its own interpreter. But I guess that’s too much truth for you to handle, so you just label it to avoid facing reality. Thanks for confirming you’d rather cling to private opinion or men than the Word itself.

Classic avoidance technique!

How in heaven did the Christian Church survive before you came along?

Just think...we've been in darkness this whole time.

Millions have gone to hell before you appeared with the truth.

How tragic.

 

[covenantee]

Yep, that's what I asked. LOL.


Weak answer. Why isn't it referred to as something other than a week if it's not the same duration as the other 69 weeks? What you said here does not explain that. Do you believe the other 69 weeks all are of the same duration?

Notice his initial mandatory evasion: "Because this final week is NOT a literal..."

So it is he who determines what is and is not literal. He is the infallible oracle of truth.

As such, I'd ask where we could go to worship him, but that's not literal either.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How in heaven did the Christian Church survive before you came along?

Just think...we've been in darkness this whole time.

Millions have gone to hell before you appeared with the truth.

How tragic.

LOL. I wonder how God chose him, of all people, to reveal all this truth to while withholding it from everyone else for the past almost 2,000 years? And by "this truth" that has been revealed to him, I include his belief that Satan is not an actual evil spirit being but represents man's sinful desires.

 

[TribulationSigns]

How in heaven did the Christian Church survive before you came along?

Just think...we've been in darkness this whole time.

Millions have gone to hell before you appeared with the truth.

How tragic.

Obviously, you have no grasp of God’s Word. Salvation comes by grace through faith, not by mastering eschatology. If you think one's end-times theories are the gateway to heaven, you’ve already missed the gospel entirely.

 

[Earburner]

Sorry, but I couldn't follow your logic here. I don't find anything you're saying here to be convincing. There can be a consummation of what was prophesied to happen in Jerusalem as well as a consummation globally of what will happen when Jesus returns in the future, so I I don't buy your one consummation theory. Daniel 9:24-27 doesn't have anything to do with the second coming of Christ.

In all the KJV Bible, there is only ONE event called "the consummation". Dan. 9:27.

In 70AD., the temple and Jerusalem were not destroyed by the consuming fire of God, but the heaven and the earth will be. Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10; Heb. 12:29; 2 Peter ch. 3.
"The consummation" will be the complete end of everything that God has willed for this realm of heaven and earth. It will be brought about by God's revealed presence as a consuming fire, of which shall destroy everything.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Notice his initial mandatory evasion: "Because this final week is NOT a literal..."

So it is he who determines what is and is not literal. He is the infallible oracle of truth.

As such, I'd ask where we could go to worship him, but that's not literal either.

Yes, he, and only he, determines that. Somehow.

 

[covenantee]

If you think one's end-times theories are the gateway to heaven

Tell us where I thought that.