In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

[Douggg]

I have a far more important question .
What year is CHRIST coming back to CUT OFF and remove the wicked from amongst the sheep .

I think, if we take into consideration of the parable of the fig tree, then no later than the end of 2037.

So lets allow this please .
THE MASTER of the HOUSE shall arise and close THE DOOR
and all outside are gonna wail and wail and wail .
Seeing we ought to desire the death of NONE
We might want to get real busy preaching THE ONLY NAME that can save, CHRIST JESUS
and with upmost urgency reminding any and all OF the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
And letting the world and christendom know , HE AINT the minstir of sin at all . NEVER has been, never will be .
So if ones jesus seems to be accepting of sins , IT AINT JESUS at all its the cloaked in wool version that satan would preach
in order to seduce this people to the day of their own damnation and perdition .
IT really is and it really has been bible time in the house . As i am sure you do agree my friend .

Yes, I agree.

 

[Davidpt]

So then, let's entertain both scenarios being proposed as consummation #1 for 70AD and consummation #2 for in the future.
Already we have a problem. There is only ONE time period for "THE consummation".
However, lets move on.
In the time of a "consummation" #1 in 70AD., or that of a "consumation" #2 in the future, it is an attempt to discern between the two views that shall cause one to choose the reality of what was "determined" in verse 24, as to what exactly it was that God shall POUR OUT upon the desolate in verse 27. Was it His Grace or was it His  Wrath?

It would be involving wrath not grace. That much should be crystal clear. After all, it is involving abominations. And it's not like the 42 month reign of the beast recorded in Revelation does not involve abominations, in light of Revelation 17-18, for instance. But everyone wants to interpret everything in Daniel 9:26-27 in the literal sense. Well except for ppl like me. Granted, some of it has to be interpreted in the literal sense, but all of it, though?

Though, I place the following in the final days of this age---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---I do not have any of that involving nonsense such as a literal rebuilt temple in the literal city of Jerusalem where animal sacrificing resumes and then is ended by an anti-christ of all things. I don't blame one single person for rejecting a future fulfillment of some of Daniel 9:27 if that is the only way it can be understood if applying it to the future. Except that's not the only way it can be understood if applying it to the future.

I still think the following in verse 26 fits with the following in verse 27, like such.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In the book of Revelation, ch 11 for instance, since it too is involving both a city and a temple, is the only way to understand that city and temple, is in the literal sense? Of course not. To interpret it in the literal sense leads to nothing but nonsense. To cut to the chase, I basically see the prince that shall come(Daniel 9:26) meaning this one in Revelation 17:10 that I have underlined--- And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

After all, it's not like a king and prince cannot be used interchangeably. And it's not like, in both accounts, that it is not involving a prince that shall come. And that it is absurd, IMO, that the prince that shall come meant in Daniel 9:26 is either meaning Christ or Titus, according to some interpreters. As if those are the only princes in all of Scripture including both testaments that shall come, in light of Revelation 17:10 that proves otherwise.

Daniel 9:26 says the ppl of this prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. But is that meaning in the literal sense? If 70 AD is meant, obviously then it should be taken in the literal sense in that case. But if it involves what I underlined in Revelation 17:10, and in light of Revelation 11, that it is that city and temple being made war with by the king meant in Revelation 17:10, in that case, no, no we should not take this in Daniel 9:26 in the literal sense---shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

It's not like 'destroy' can mean in only one sense in Daniel 9:26, the literal sense involving the destroying of literal cities and literal temples. That same Hebrew word for destroy is also used in Daniel 8 per the following, and no one would be taking it to mean destroy, as in destroying literal buildings, etc---and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people(Daniel 8:24). And if we were to use the book of Revelation to aid in interpreting this, we know from Revelation the mighty and the holy people consist of both a city and temple, but not meaning in the literal sense. Now it's just a matter of, connect the dots. But maybe not everyone is good at connecting the dots? If so, don't blame that on me. That's a personal problem in that case.

Whether anyone agrees with me or not, no one can deny that I'm at least trying to use Scripture to interpret Scripture, and that I am using both testaments together in order to try and do so. After all, since when is it a bad idea to use Scripture to interpret Scripture where possible?

 

[amigo de christo]

I think, if we take into consideration of the parable of the fig tree, then no later than the end of 2037.


Yes, I agree.

Yet if we take into consideration WHAT JESUS himself says concerning that day
MIght not be hearing even the cocka and the doodle doo of that ol rooster in the am .
Did you say twenty thirty and seven . That is another twelve years to go .
But who says we got even twelve days left .
MOST are already in love with a sensual love and THEY DONT EVEN KNOW IT .
And the most i was talking about SITS in churches that affiliate themselves with THE LOVELY NAME OF JESUS .
In other words I must now name christendom under an arabic name .
Now dont take offense i aint against arabic .
BUT when you read the name that most all of christendom is now under to some degree , some worse than others
BUT THEY UNDER IT none the less , you gonna understand why i said arabic .
SO this is what i say to christendom , to the catholics , to the mormons , to most all of even the protestant realm
YUSAH Bins DUPED . CAUSE MANY HAVE BEEN DUPED . BETTER BIBLE UP RIGHT NOW TODAY
is all i can say and STOP READING IT through the lens of men .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think, if we take into consideration of the parable of the fig tree, then no later than the end of 2037.


Yes, I agree.

many have now knelt
and grabbed ahold
and pursed their lips
and now suckle from the wrong golden pipe .
Now what i say next is gonna sting and it might sting a whole lot , tears might flow it stings so much .
But remember good medicine that works can often STING at the start .
IF YOU ARE IN ANY WAY affliated with
co helpers to and supporters OF ANY that blow the pipe of interfaith all inclusive
GUESS WHAT DIRECTION YOU HEADED . RIGHT TO ANTI CHRIST . now whose trusting in men .
Exactly . NOW who is trusting in men , and presidents and nar realms and progressive liberals .
CANT TRUST IN MEN AND IN GOD
ITS EITHER GOD or tis men . BUT IT CANNOT BE BOTH . we are getting fleeced .
The most liberal progressive move known to man
has led this people right into interfaith finding common ground with anti christ and its peace .
What is the matter . YOU DIDNT REALLY THINK men that could pretend to be conservative
pretend to be against the world order
COULD come dressed as a liberal . NO SIR THEY COME IN AS EVANGELICALS TOO .
WE ALL BEING DECEIVED BY BOTH SIDES . SO tell me
What do you think about the vaticans most progressive liberal led interfaith finding common ground
religous tolerance , abraham peace accords .
OH WAIT , YOU DIDNT or may not have realized THAT IS WHO IT CAME FROM
SEEING TRUMP AND VANCE DO ITS WORK as does THE EVANGELICAL REALM TOO .
WE ALL BEING decieved doug , well those whose hopes be in either side are .
BUT THE SHEEP AINT . WE MUCH FATHER ALONG than most now realize .

 

[Lizbeth]

Good morning my dear sister .
The scripture sure does say this .
As we are warned to learn the scripture and not do the evil they lusted after .
For years by grace , some of us have been reading our bible .
And you wanna know what i see when i read their examples they were doing RIGHT before GOD destroyed them .
I SEE much of christendom doing exactly as they too had once done
and just like back then , the many loved to hear the smooth things
and the wicked did not repent of his wickedness for them false ones promised them life .
THEY had totally put under foot the covenant of GOD
AS DO many now today put under foot the NEW covenant of CHRIST in favor of a sin accepting
REAL BROAD path to GOD which darn sure NEGATES the dire need to BELEIVE ON CHRIST .
IN EFFECT making it of anti christ . And the same thing
THEY promise them peace , peace
JUST as today they holler THIS is the road and the way to attain world peace . LIKE AN IDENTICAL PATTERN .
What befell Jersualem
NOW is all over Christendom . The falling away is real and its massive now in number .

Amen brother, sad but true.

I was thinking it might be useful if those who are able to do the research could post some things that Israel/Jerusalem were doing historically leading up to 70AD so we could see how it mirrors what is going on today in Christendom...as well as the ways in which it was a fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies (which it had to be at least partially, since Jesus referred to Daniel when prophesying of what was going to happen to Israel in 70AD).

 

[Lizbeth]

many have now knelt
and grabbed ahold
and pursed their lips
and now suckle from the wrong golden pipe .
Now what i say next is gonna sting and it might sting a whole lot , tears might flow it stings so much .
But remember good medicine that works can often STING at the start .
IF YOU ARE IN ANY WAY affliated with
co helpers to and supporters OF ANY that blow the pipe of interfaith all inclusive
GUESS WHAT DIRECTION YOU HEADED . RIGHT TO ANTI CHRIST . now whose trusting in men .
Exactly . NOW who is trusting in men , and presidents and nar realms and progressive liberals .
CANT TRUST IN MEN AND IN GOD
ITS EITHER GOD or tis men . BUT IT CANNOT BE BOTH . we are getting fleeced .
The most liberal progressive move known to man
has led this people right into interfaith finding common ground with anti christ and its peace .
What is the matter . YOU DIDNT REALLY THINK men that could pretend to be conservative
pretend to be against the world order
COULD come dressed as a liberal . NO SIR THEY COME IN AS EVANGELICALS TOO .
WE ALL BEING DECEIVED BY BOTH SIDES . SO tell me
What do you think about the vaticans most progressive liberal led interfaith finding common ground
religous tolerance , abraham peace accords .
OH WAIT , YOU DIDNT or may not have realized THAT IS WHO IT CAME FROM
SEEING TRUMP AND VANCE DO ITS WORK as does THE EVANGELICAL REALM TOO .
WE ALL BEING decieved doug , well those whose hopes be in either side are .
BUT THE SHEEP AINT . WE MUCH FATHER ALONG than most now realize .

Tares and false brethren and wolves running amok among the wheat.....being accepted as if they are true. Being of the world they follow the ways of the world...ways that seemeth right to man but lead to death.......and are leading many of God's people to embrace the same.

People say we have no right to determine anyone's salvation status, whether anyone is of God or of the world..........however, not discerning who is who makes one vulnerable to being led astray by those who are false. And the way to discern the wrong.......is by knowing the true.

 

[Earburner]

It would be involving wrath not grace. That much should be crystal clear. After all, it is involving abominations. And it's not like the 42 month reign of the beast recorded in Revelation does not involve abominations, in light of Revelation 17-18, for instance. But everyone wants to interpret everything in Daniel 9:26-27 in the literal sense. Well except for ppl like me. Granted, some of it has to be interpreted in the literal sense, but all of it, though?

Though, I place the following in the final days of this age---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---I do not have any of that involving nonsense such as a literal rebuilt temple in the literal city of Jerusalem where animal sacrificing resumes and then is ended by an anti-christ of all things. I don't blame one single person for rejecting a future fulfillment of some of Daniel 9:27 if that is the only way it can be understood if applying it to the future. Except that's not the only way it can be understood if applying it to the future.

I still think the following in verse 26 fits with the following in verse 27, like such.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In the book of Revelation, ch 11 for instance, since it too is involving both a city and a temple, is the only way to understand that city and temple, is in the literal sense? Of course not. To interpret it in the literal sense leads to nothing but nonsense. To cut to the chase, I basically see the prince that shall come(Daniel 9:26) meaning this one in Revelation 17:10 that I have underlined--- And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

After all, it's not like a king and prince cannot be used interchangeably. And it's not like, in both accounts, that it is not involving a prince that shall come. And that it is absurd, IMO, that the prince that shall come meant in Daniel 9:26 is either meaning Christ or Titus, according to some interpreters. As if those are the only princes in all of Scripture including both testaments that shall come, in light of Revelation 17:10 that proves otherwise.

Daniel 9:26 says the ppl of this prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. But is that meaning in the literal sense? If 70 AD is meant, obviously then it should be taken in the literal sense in that case. But if it involves what I underlined in Revelation 17:10, and in light of Revelation 11, that it is that city and temple being made war with by the king meant in Revelation 17:10, in that case, no, no we should not take this in Daniel 9:26 in the literal sense---shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

It's not like 'destroy' can mean in only one sense in Daniel 9:26, the literal sense involving the destroying of literal cities and literal temples. That same Hebrew word for destroy is also used in Daniel 8 per the following, and no one would be taking it to mean destroy, as in destroying literal buildings, etc---and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people(Daniel 8:24). And if we were to use the book of Revelation to aid in interpreting this, we know from Revelation the mighty and the holy people consist of both a city and temple, but not meaning in the literal sense. Now it's just a matter of, connect the dots. But maybe not everyone is good at connecting the dots? If so, don't blame that on me. That's a personal problem in that case.

Whether anyone agrees with me or not, no one can deny that I'm at least trying to use Scripture to interpret Scripture, and that I am using both testaments together in order to try and do so. After all, since when is it a bad idea to use Scripture to interpret Scripture where possible?

In reference and defense of my post #375-
Please comprehend Isa. 55:8-9.

Though God does not think or act as we do, He is not all that complicated in His communication. If it appears to be so that He is, while speaking to the prophets under the OC., he oftentimes chose His thoughts to be in symbolic form, so as to be hidden in a mystery, of when His Son was to be revealed in the flesh.
1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
[6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Although you have surmised and added a number of possibilities for word meanings and choices, I suggest that one stick with the context within a sentence, seeking contextual balance in each scenario of the 70 week prophecy. And by all means, be sure that the Holy Spirit within you has room for conviction, and not that of denominational and/or pet doctrines by the wisdom of men, or that of our ownselves.

According to my understanding of the Amillennial view and my belief in Christ through it, I stand firm in my conviction by the biblical word and the teaching of the Holy Spirit, that there is ONLY one event of "The Consummation", as it is written in Dan. 9:27, as well as how it is described in Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and 2 Peter ch. 3.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine.

Oh, how fun.

If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?

I don't believe that the 70th week of Daniel expired in 70 AD. Any other dumb straw man questions you'd like to ask me?

Dan 9:24
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This should be interesting if you answer honestly!

I believe Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled by the ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, so it was fulfilled well before 70 AD. Here are the NT scriptures which show the fulfillment of each of the six things listed in that verse.

I will list the scriptures that I believe refer to the fulfillment of each of them.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2. To Put an End to Sin

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.

2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.

6. To Anoint The Most Holy

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then you and SI believe that Daniel's 70 weeks did not end in 70AD?

LOL. Of course not, you silly person. When did we ever say that? Never. You need serious work on your reading comprehension skills.

But when exactly did the consummation take place in verse 27?

That isn't the consummation of the 70th week, that's the consummation of the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.

I asked because SI wrote in his post, "Daniel 9:26-27 is about the physical destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings. The consummation refers to the consummation of that event." - - (Post #203)

And where did I say that was the consummation of the 70th week? Nowhere.

Does this make it sound like the 70 week ended at the consummation, which he believed was in 70AD.

I never said this. Stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You two might not be doing that intentionally,

We're not doing it at all. Stop your foolishness. Nowhere did either of us say that we believe the 70th week ended in 70 AD.

yet you are still doing it if all of verse 27 involves the 70th week

It doesn't.

and that you have the end of verse 27 meaning 70 AD. That logically adds up to that the 70 weeks concluded in 70 AD if the entire verse 27 is meaning the beginning and ending of the 70th week.

There's nothing logical about your nonsense, so your illogical comments mean nothing to me. I'll tell you what is intellectually dishonest. Turning a prophecy that was determined to last for 490 years from the time it started into a prophecy that lasts for at least 2,500 years instead. That's some serious intellectual dishonesty on your part.

But once again, the way you all are trying to get around that is by being intellectually dishonest with the text

To you, intellectual dishonesty equates to disagreeing with any of your opinions. What a joke.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Now you admit that the 70th week ended in 70AD?

You sure do make a complete fool of yourself on this forum. Over and over again. I have to assume you just enjoy doing that. Never did he ever say that. Please take a reading class.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah....



They tend to apply or link the desolate of verse 27 back to the desolations of verse 26, thinking they are one and the same while ignoring the confirmation of a covenant that separates verse 27 from 26. Crazy interpretation.

It's crazy to relate the desolate of verse 27 to the desolations of verse 26? LOL!!! Let me know if you ever want to be serious.

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. Of course not, you silly person. When did we ever say that? Never. You need serious work on your reading comprehension skills.

No. I was getting both of you to state your positions clearly for the sake of clarification.

That isn't the consummation of the 70th week, that's the consummation of the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.

Completely false. You’re twisting the text. The 'consummation' in verse 27 has nothing to do with the destruction of the city and sanctuary in verse 26—they were already desolate at that point. Verse 27 is about the New Testament congregation Christ confirmed the covenant with, which will be made desolate before His return. The consummation comes after that—exactly as the passage states.

And where did I say that was the consummation of the 70th week? Nowhere.

Like I said, for the sake of clarification for future reference. :-)

I never said this. Stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Shhh. Just making sure... for future reference. :-)

 

[TribulationSigns]

You sure do make a complete fool of yourself on this forum. Over and over again. I have to assume you just enjoy doing that. Never did he ever say that. Please take a reading class.

LOL, you don't know my strategy plan. It appears that I have successfully prompted you two to clarify your position for future reference, as you shall see.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

More excreta+stupidity as expected.

Copy/paste the claim that the 70th week ended in 70 AD.

Highlight it and italicize it and redden it so we're sure not to miss it.

He'll never find it, of course. I don't have any training with how to communicate with something like him who has no reading comprehension skills. It might be impossible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. I was getting both of you to state your positions clearly for the sake of clarification.

So, you make false accusations first before you seek clarification? Where did you learn to do that? How about getting clarification first before you make a complete fool of yourself next time?

Completely false. You’re twisting the text. The 'consummation' in verse 27 has nothing to do with the destruction of the city and sanctuary in verse 26—they were already desolate at that point. Verse 27 is about the New Testament congregation Christ confirmed the covenant with, which will be made desolate before His return. The consummation comes after that—exactly as the passage states.

LOL. Context obviously means nothing to you. I can't take you seriously at all with all your false accusations and ridiculous interpretations that ignore context.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL, you don't know my strategy plan. It appears that I have successfully prompted you two to clarify your position for future reference, as you shall see.

LOL. Just keep embarrassing youself, if you insist.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It's crazy to relate the desolate of verse 27 to the desolations of verse 26? LOL!!! Let me know if you ever want to be serious.

LOL.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What’s actually crazy is ignoring the flow of the text. Daniel 9:26–27 does not allow you to drag 'even until the consummation' back into verse 26. The city and sanctuary were already destroyed and made desolate in verse 26—that’s a completed event. In verse 27, the focus shifts to the one who confirms the covenant with many, and that is where the consummation applies—to the desolation of the New Testament congregation, not the physical temple of 70 AD. The passage is crystal clear when read in order, without forcing your own assumptions onto it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

So, you make false accusations first before you seek clarification? Where did you learn to do that? How about getting clarification first before you make a complete fool of yourself next time?

Bust. I was playing YOUR game of spewing false accusations before, so I was successful this time. :-)

LOL. Context obviously means nothing to you. I can't take you seriously at all with all your false accusations and ridiculous interpretations that ignore context.

Spare me the empty laughter. Context is exactly why your interpretation fails—you’re forcing 'consummation' from verse 27 back into verse 26, ignoring the actual sequence. The city and sanctuary were already desolate in verse 26. Verse 27 clearly applies the consummation to the covenant-confirmed New Testament congregation. That’s not a 'ridiculous interpretation'—it’s simply reading the passage as written.

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. Just keep embarrassing youself, if you insist.

I don't feel embarrassed at all. I knew exactly what I am doing.