In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[Judas Thomas]

The doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) is one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented teachings in the Christian faith. Critics often claim that it encourages sin, ignores repentance, or contradicts church tradition. Some even call it "Gnostic" or "cheap grace."

But OSAS is not a modern invention, nor is it a license to sin. It is a profound expression of the depth of God’s grace, the security of Christ’s finished work, and the freedom of the believer in the New Covenant.

Let’s take a closer look.


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1. The Biblical Foundation for Eternal Security

The clearest testimony comes from Christ Himself:

> “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
— John 10:28



Notice the words: eternal, never, no one. Not even you can snatch yourself from His hand. That’s security, not presumption.

> “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
— John 5:24



He has eternal life. Not "might have." Not "as long as he behaves." The transfer from death to life is permanent.

> “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
— Ephesians 2:8–9



If salvation is not from works, how could it be lost by works?


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2. Is Grace Conditional? Then It’s Not Grace.

If our salvation depends on maintaining obedience, then the Gospel becomes a contract, not a gift.
You’d be back under law: perform or perish.

That’s not Good News.

The Apostle Paul was clear:

> “Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”
— Galatians 3:3



You didn’t earn it. You can’t keep it by effort. The same God who saved you is the one who keeps you.


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3. But What About Apostasy?

What about those who “fall away”? Scripture gives two answers:

1. They were never truly born again



> “They went out from us, but they were not of us…” (1 John 2:19)
Outward faith can mimic real regeneration. Only God sees the heart.



2. God disciplines His children, not disowns them



> “The Lord disciplines those he loves…” (Hebrews 12:6)
Falling into sin invites correction, not rejection.




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4. OSAS Is Not an Excuse to Sin

True believers don’t want to abuse grace. Why?

> “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him.”
— 1 John 3:9



A new heart means new desires.
A Christian may stumble, but he no longer walks in the same direction.


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5. Historical and Theological Witnesses

Luther: Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone.

Calvin: The elect will persevere because God preserves them.

The Catholic Church, even with its emphasis on mortal sin, still teaches that God’s mercy is greater than human failure.


The early Church saw salvation as a secure covenant, not a fragile agreement.


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6. Without OSAS, God Becomes a Tyrant

Let’s be honest: If God saves you, but lets go of you the moment you mess up, that’s not a loving Father—that’s a judge with a short fuse.

If salvation can be lost, we live in fear, not faith.

> “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear…”
— 1 John 4:18



OSAS doesn’t make God weak. It shows He is strong enough to carry us, even when we fall.


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7. The Cross Is Enough

Jesus doesn’t need to die again every time you sin. He died once for all.

> “For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.”
— Hebrews 10:14



Your justification is not in progress. It is finished.


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Conclusion

Without OSAS, the Gospel becomes fear-based religion.
With OSAS, it becomes what it was always meant to be: Good News.

God is not calling you to walk a tightrope. He is calling you to trust in a finished work.

Once saved, always saved – not because we hold on to God, but because He holds on to us.

> “If we are faithless, He remains faithful – for He cannot deny Himself.”
— 2 Timothy 2:13

 

[BeforeThereWas]

I've seen the arguments against OSAS indeed lapse into the absurdity of this belief we have in the solidity of our salvation allegedly leading to rank enjoyment of sinful pleasures and acts, et al.

Strangely, those who subscribe to that never talk about their own sins that they commit every day like all the rest of us, as if this one doctrine somehow has the effect of alcohol even though we ALL are still living in these bodies of death...that everlasting salvation, no matter what, is a matter of becoming more subject to sin than to the perfection within the Power of God's sanctifying work in the lives of all true believers.

The idea that fear for the loss of salvation somehow makes one less inclined toward sinful pleasures is itself rooted only in the sin of fleshly pride.

Dare we all be honest, the idea that we must apply personal effort to retain what was given without any measure of merit or work on our part, that compounds a state of inner turmoil against the inner peace the Lord's presence within us is supposed to provide so that we are then set loose to enjoy the freedom from the unsaved status within which we once lived.

Satan doesn't want us to live on in Christ with the understood assurance of Christ's salvation of our souls. It's to Satan's advantage to continue trying to divide the body of Christ along doctrinal lines such as this, thus tempting some to believe that they are saved and retain their saved status on the basis of personal effort, which was once the case before the fall of Israel and will be the case after the rapture of the body of Christ from this earth.

The intellectual vacuum in theological understanding within the minds of the works-based crowd is staggeringly morbid to say the least; with them believing what amounts to God being prone to have failed millions of time every day in His sanctifying Power in the lives of all truly saved people alive on this earth.

The Protestants who believe in loss of salvation should easily join with the works-based religions such as the RCC, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, et al, and mesh right in comfortably with equally miserable people who live in constant fear and doubt for their ultimate salvation. What a horrid existence, especially in the prideful state each day of thinking that one has not lost his salvation on account of having dealt with each sin they knowingly commit by asking for forgiveness before dying in that moment to later be tossed into Hell. What they fail to realize is the effect of all the sins of which they are not aware that they commit each and every day. They believe that some blanket prayer at the end of the day covers it all like a magical incantation.

I could go on and on about the absurdities resulting from the false doctrine of salvational loss because of how hypocritical that doctrine really is in the face of reality and biblical teaching when reading scripture without all the manic (eisegetical) injections of things that simply aren't there. The attacks against what they term as OSAS are then seen for the desperate departures from proper, biblical hermeneutics that they are.

BTW

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I find it add that God time and time again shows the means to restorations is the shedding of blood

Starting all the back to genesis God showed it now our power (fig leaves) it’s in work (animal skin)

He then gave us a law and said if we want to meet Hod by own own merit we must confirm and obey every word. If we even stumble in one part as James did we are guilty of all

An impossible standard no one can keep

Sadly man does not trust God completely so in pride they think they are ok. They water down the law or Made a different law and then lower the standard saying do your best

Our best is not good enough. As Jesus did why do you call me good no one is good but God (they did not get the hint and sadly many today do not either)

If my faith is not in my hope based on hearing the word. That I have eternal life which God promises before Time began

Then I have no hope

If my hope Is in my works my deeds My righteousness then again, I have no hope

Only a false reality that will never come true

 

[Davy]

Man's OSAS doctrine is NOT Biblical. Don't be deceived brethren, because some of those churches on that doctrine like to claim there is NO MORE NEED FOR REPENTANCE of future sin. Some of them no longer even hold Communion with Christ. I've even had some of their followers ask me what Communion is!

Look at what Lord Jesus said with how to pray...

Luke 11:1-4
11 And it came to pass, that, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."

2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV


If OSAS were true, then there should never been any future need to pray for forgiveness of sin. Yet Lord Jesus put that in the prayer He gave His disciples, and us, His Church. That means HE KNEW we would still slip up and commit future sin, and need to repent and ask forgiveness.

And the 1 John 1 Chapter is a Lesson on what to do when we catch ourselves in a future sin. We are to repent, and ask Jesus forgiveness. And He is Just to forgive us and cleanse us.

So don't be fooled when the OSAS crowd start bringing up the idea of being saved by God's Grace only, for that specific point is indeed true, our works do not save us, but that does not mean we are not to have works in Christ, which is a natural byproduct of our Faith.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Man's OSAS doctrine is NOT Biblical. Don't be deceived brethren, because some of those churches on that doctrine like to claim there is NO MORE NEED FOR REPENTANCE of future sin. Some of them no longer even hold Communion with Christ. I've even had some of their followers ask me what Communion is!

Look at what Lord Jesus said with how to pray...

Luke 11:1-4
11 And it came to pass, that, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."

2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV


If OSAS were true, then there should never been any future need to pray for forgiveness of sin. Yet Lord Jesus put that in the prayer He gave His disciples, and us, His Church. That means HE KNEW we would still slip up and commit future sin, and need to repent and ask forgiveness.

And the 1 John 1 Chapter is a Lesson on what to do when we catch ourselves in a future sin. We are to repent, and ask Jesus forgiveness. And He is Just to forgive us and cleanse us.

So don't be fooled when the OSAS crowd start bringing up the idea of being saved by God's Grace only, for that specific point is indeed true, our works do not save us, but that does not mean we are not to have works in Christ, which is a natural byproduct of our Faith.

The error of this post is its blanket condemnation of all belief in everlasting salvation apart from works of the flesh and the mind. The mindset behind blanket denials for the seal of Holy Spirit upon us is itself steeped in human pride and fleshly earning of not only continued salvation, but inevitably goes back to the point of salvation itself having been earned. The opponents of what they call OSAS will deny this is the case, but it is in vain that they do so.

So, for those who are interested in learning what scripture says about this, then simply ask. Read the scriptures like the Bereans, and let Holy Spirit instruct you rather than listening only to your false teaching "pastors" and others here in the forums. We of the OSAS crowd don't expect you to listen to us, but ONLY let the word of God speak for itself, and you following the leading of Holy Spirit.

BTW

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Man's OSAS doctrine is NOT Biblical. Don't be deceived brethren, because some of those churches on that doctrine like to claim there is NO MORE NEED FOR REPENTANCE of future sin. Some of them no longer even hold Communion with Christ. I've even had some of their followers ask me what Communion is!

Look at what Lord Jesus said with how to pray...

Luke 11:1-4
11 And it came to pass, that, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."

2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV


If OSAS were true, then there should never been any future need to pray for forgiveness of sin. Yet Lord Jesus put that in the prayer He gave His disciples, and us, His Church. That means HE KNEW we would still slip up and commit future sin, and need to repent and ask forgiveness.

And the 1 John 1 Chapter is a Lesson on what to do when we catch ourselves in a future sin. We are to repent, and ask Jesus forgiveness. And He is Just to forgive us and cleanse us.

So don't be fooled when the OSAS crowd start bringing up the idea of being saved by God's Grace only, for that specific point is indeed true, our works do not save us, but that does not mean we are not to have works in Christ, which is a natural byproduct of our Faith.

Praying for god to forgive you of sins he predated paid for is nonsensical.

While we need to confess (literally admit it acknowledge) personal sin not only to God but others for healing. Our is is already forgiven. God is not going to come back and die for that sin after we confess it he already paid for it or it can never be forgiven

Licentiousness is a fatal doctrine. But legalism is just as fatal. Don’t be trapped by legalism trying to fight licentiousness was and don’t get cause in licentiousness trying to fight legalism

 

[Davy]

The error of this post is its blanket condemnation of all belief in everlasting salvation apart from works of the flesh and the mind.

Now you know better than to make that ignorant false statement.

I never said anything... against Christ's Salvation, but actually I confirmed what HE said. You should try reading that prayer He gave His Church in Luke 11 sometime, and say it.

OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.

The reason is, is because while we are in these flesh vehicles here on earth, which are under the 'law of sin' (Apostle Paul said it, not me, per Romans 7), then we are going to still have FUTURE SIN, future slip ups.

BUT... man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines instead claim WE HAVE NO FURTHER NEED TO REPENT OR ASK FORGIVENESS OF FUTURE SIN, BECAUSE JESUS FORGIVE ALL SIN WE HAVE, OR MAY, EVER COMMIT! That idea is NOT Biblical! And it is very dangerous, and will CUT YOU OFF FROM HEEDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I already mentioned how some of the OSAS churches have quit doing Communion with Christ, which is supposed to be a time for us to examine ourselves, and work out our problems with Lord Jesus. Well, man's FALSE OSAS says there ain't anything to work out, because you cannot sin anymore after have believed on Lord Jesus Christ! Of course they are lying, by another spirit.

They are so.... guilty of sin still, that no wonder Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 7 that He will shut the door on them and say He never knew them, even after they claimed to have done many works in His Name!

Notice just which sins Apostle Paul said are forgiven at our first acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Savior...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That means in order to keep the future walk with Christ by The Holy Spirit, we still need to REPENT of FUTURE SIN. Didn't anyone actually read Christ's Book of Revelation He sent to the Church through His servant John? What did Lord Jesus tell those in sin in five of those Churches in Asia to do that He sent Messages to, lest He would come up them as a thief? He told then to REPENT! Well, OSAS says there is no need for pentance (i.e., repentance) anymore after first having believed on Jesus Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

It's so misunderstood because it doesn't mean anything.

Jesus even said "depart from me, I never knew you."

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Now you know better than to make that ignorant false statement.

I never said anything... against Christ's Salvation, but actually I confirmed what HE said. You should try reading that prayer He gave His Church in Luke 11 sometime, and say it.

OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.

The reason is, is because while we are in these flesh vehicles here on earth, which are under the 'law of sin' (Apostle Paul said it, not me, per Romans 7), then we are going to still have FUTURE SIN, future slip ups.

BUT... man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines instead claim WE HAVE NO FURTHER NEED TO REPENT OR ASK FORGIVENESS OF FUTURE SIN, BECAUSE JESUS FORGIVE ALL SIN WE HAVE, OR MAY, EVER COMMIT! That idea is NOT Biblical! And it is very dangerous, and will CUT YOU OFF FROM HEEDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I already mentioned how some of the OSAS churches have quit doing Communion with Christ, which is supposed to be a time for us to examine ourselves, and work out our problems with Lord Jesus. Well, man's FALSE OSAS says there ain't anything to work out, because you cannot sin anymore after have believed on Lord Jesus Christ! Of course they are lying, by another spirit.

They are so.... guilty of sin still, that no wonder Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 7 that He will shut the door on them and say He never knew them, even after they claimed to have done many works in His Name!

Notice just which sins Apostle Paul said are forgiven at our first acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Savior...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Then you must believe that the seal of Holy Spirit is weak and ineffective to actually do as it states...to SEAL one.

This alone pretty much shows which belief is of the devil. That there is no power with the ability to snatch even one from His Hand, you must believe in a christ with very weak grasp of what is his, which is a doctrine of demons.

Say on because you're proving my point with your diatribe...

BTW

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you know better than to make that ignorant false statement.

I never said anything... against Christ's Salvation, but actually I confirmed what HE said. You should try reading that prayer He gave His Church in Luke 11 sometime, and say it.

OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.

The reason is, is because while we are in these flesh vehicles here on earth, which are under the 'law of sin' (Apostle Paul said it, not me, per Romans 7), then we are going to still have FUTURE SIN, future slip ups.

BUT... man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines instead claim WE HAVE NO FURTHER NEED TO REPENT OR ASK FORGIVENESS OF FUTURE SIN, BECAUSE JESUS FORGIVE ALL SIN WE HAVE, OR MAY, EVER COMMIT! That idea is NOT Biblical! And it is very dangerous, and will CUT YOU OFF FROM HEEDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I already mentioned how some of the OSAS churches have quit doing Communion with Christ, which is supposed to be a time for us to examine ourselves, and work out our problems with Lord Jesus. Well, man's FALSE OSAS says there ain't anything to work out, because you cannot sin anymore after have believed on Lord Jesus Christ! Of course they are lying, by another spirit.

They are so.... guilty of sin still, that no wonder Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 7 that He will shut the door on them and say He never knew them, even after they claimed to have done many works in His Name!

Notice just which sins Apostle Paul said are forgiven at our first acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Savior...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That means in order to keep the future walk with Christ by The Holy Spirit, we still need to REPENT of FUTURE SIN. Didn't anyone actually read Christ's Book of Revelation He sent to the Church through His servant John? What did Lord Jesus tell those in sin in five of those Churches in Asia to do that He sent Messages to, lest He would come up them as a thief? He told then to REPENT! Well, OSAS says there is no need for pentance (i.e., repentance) anymore after first having believed on Jesus Christ.

Why are you so angry

And why do you lack faith in the gospel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you must believe that the seal of Holy Spirit is weak and ineffective to actually do as it states...to SEAL one.

This alone pretty much shows which belief is of the devil. That there is no power with the ability to snatch even one from His Hand, you must believe in a christ with very weak grasp of what is his, which is a doctrine of demons.

Say on because you're proving my point with your diatribe...

BTW

Amen

Either we believe god will save us and create us as new creatures

Or we do not think God will save us unless we change ourselves

Is our faith in God or self

 

[Davy]

Praying for god to forgive you of sins he predated paid for is nonsensical.

While we need to confess (literally admit it acknowledge) personal sin not only to God but others for healing. Our is is already forgiven. God is not going to come back and die for that sin after we confess it he already paid for it or it can never be forgiven

Licentiousness is a fatal doctrine. But legalism is just as fatal. Don’t be trapped by legalism trying to fight licentiousness was and don’t get cause in licentiousness trying to fight legalism

Don't pray for me, but for yourself, in hopes that you do not fall under the rejection by Lord Jesus for unrepentant iniquity...

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Why are you so angry

And why do you lack faith in the gospel?

Those of course are FALSE ACCUSATIONS, vain attempts at character assassination, and obvious working in you by ANOTHER SPIRIT.

As I have said before, man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines are LOVED BY THE DEVIL! The devil loves it when we refuse to repent and ask forgiveness of future sin we may fall into. Now what did Apostle John say about this, and was JOHN SHOWING ANGER WHEN HE SAID IT?

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

Was Apostle John angry by saying that above? No doubt John established a dividing line with the above, those who walk in Christ Jesus, and those who instead are apostates away from Christ!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Amen

Either we believe god will save us and create us as new creatures

Or we do not think God will save us unless we change ourselves

Is our faith in God or self

The robust doubts some harbor against God's ability to apply the Power of His transforming of the saved soul through sanctification, that is a remarkable departure from scripture in the minds of those who take such great pride in their fleshly thinking that they have some sort of power within themselves to retain what is not revocable.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

BTW

 

[Judas Thomas]

Now you know better than to make that ignorant false statement.

I never said anything... against Christ's Salvation, but actually I confirmed what HE said. You should try reading that prayer He gave His Church in Luke 11 sometime, and say it.

OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.

The reason is, is because while we are in these flesh vehicles here on earth, which are under the 'law of sin' (Apostle Paul said it, not me, per Romans 7), then we are going to still have FUTURE SIN, future slip ups.

BUT... man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines instead claim WE HAVE NO FURTHER NEED TO REPENT OR ASK FORGIVENESS OF FUTURE SIN, BECAUSE JESUS FORGIVE ALL SIN WE HAVE, OR MAY, EVER COMMIT! That idea is NOT Biblical! And it is very dangerous, and will CUT YOU OFF FROM HEEDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I already mentioned how some of the OSAS churches have quit doing Communion with Christ, which is supposed to be a time for us to examine ourselves, and work out our problems with Lord Jesus. Well, man's FALSE OSAS says there ain't anything to work out, because you cannot sin anymore after have believed on Lord Jesus Christ! Of course they are lying, by another spirit.

They are so.... guilty of sin still, that no wonder Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 7 that He will shut the door on them and say He never knew them, even after they claimed to have done many works in His Name!

Notice just which sins Apostle Paul said are forgiven at our first acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Savior...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

That means in order to keep the future walk with Christ by The Holy Spirit, we still need to REPENT of FUTURE SIN. Didn't anyone actually read Christ's Book of Revelation He sent to the Church through His servant John? What did Lord Jesus tell those in sin in five of those Churches in Asia to do that He sent Messages to, lest He would come up them as a thief? He told then to REPENT! Well, OSAS says there is no need for pentance (i.e., repentance) anymore after first having believed on Jesus Christ

You calling OSAS "from the devil" shows more about you, than the doctrine.
If you believe in work-based salvation only and call those from the devil, that have been adopted by Christ and thus saved indefinetly, you're far from accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour.

I pray for Jesus to guide you into the body of Christ, so you might overcome your irrational fear of the devil.

 

[Behold]

As I have said before, man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED is loved by the Devil

Actually, when a Believer gives God FULL Credit for Saving them and Keeping them saved, then they are proving they understand that Jesus is their ONLY Salvation., and that Redemption is : "THe GIFT of Salvation".

And when someone tries to prove that Salvation can be lost, then they are defining themselves as....>"i Dont trust Christ, to keep me saved....i ONLY trust in MYSELF to keep trying to not lose my salvation".

So we see that this deceived person, has no real faith in Christ.....they only have faith in their self effort to try not to lose their Salvation.
That is False Faith., this is SELF Righteousness : = PRIDE.
That is "Fallen from Grace".....as Paul defines a faithless Christian who is "bewitched" and "in the Flesh".
These deceived people infect "christian" forums with their unbelief that is pretending to be Faith.

 

[Davy]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

I have already well... established their FALSE OSAS doctrine by proof of Bible Scripture.

That doctrine of men, OSAS, is a popular tradition in many deceived churches today. But just because it is popular does not mean it is Biblical. The FALSE pre-trib rapture theory that was only first preached in a Christian church in 1830's Great Britain is today a popular doctrine too, but it has not one single Bible Scripture proof written anywhere in God's Word.

Our Heavenly Father allows us to be tested. If we desire to go off on tangents outside of Bible Scripture like man's OSAS or pre-trib rapture theories, He will let us have at it, even though we have believed on His Son Jesus Christ. Only with His 'chosen' elect will He intervene with showing them those errors of men's traditions, and that because His chosen elect actually keep... His Word instead of creating doctrines outside of it. And I must mention, a majority of brethren I have conversed with on man's false pre-trib rapture theory also believe in man's false once saved, always saved tradition.

 

[MatthewG]

You calling OSAS "from the devil" shows more about you, than the doctrine.
If you believe in work-based salvation only and call those from the devil, that have been adopted by Christ and thus saved indefinetly, you're far from accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour.

I pray for Jesus to guide you into the body of Christ, so you might overcome your irrational fear of the devil.

It's just a debated topic... I don't believe it's true. That is my argument. Even Jesus says "depart from me I never knew you." So promising someone they are saved forever, isn't true... they might turn away from God at anytime... and may start to believe they are the ones whom are achieving their salvation, and not Yeshua.... therefore it's just a teeter-tot debated subject with simply people who say "YES ITS TRUE!", or like me "No I don't believe it is true."

I never read verbatim "once you are saved you are saved always." Cause in the bible people who were in the faith left it, and even those whom are of the faith "ACTIVELY" choose to believe and stay faithful... "Always"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Don't pray for me, but for yourself, in hopes that you do not fall under the rejection by Lord Jesus for unrepentant iniquity...

I do not have to worry about this

I already acknowledged all sin is sin

Now I confess it as I come to my abbah

I will
Pray for you that you stop thinking you are righteous and pumping your chest thanking God your not like the sinner and are saving yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those of course are FALSE ACCUSATIONS, vain attempts at character assassination, and obvious working in you by ANOTHER SPIRIT.

They are true

Your last two posts prove it

Your faith is in self not in God

As I have said before, man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines are LOVED BY THE DEVIL! The devil loves it when we refuse to repent and ask forgiveness of future sin we may fall into. Now what did Apostle John say about this, and was JOHN SHOWING ANGER WHEN HE SAID IT?

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

Was Apostle John angry by saying that above? No doubt John established a dividing line with the above, those who walk in Christ Jesus, and those who instead are apostates away from Christ!

Lil. Study John. You may find grave. Especially the first 6 chapters.

Until then you can live in fear and anger. Look at the way you respond to me. Anger. Like the oharisees responded to christ

I feel sorry for you