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I was almost asleep then remembered I forgot to comment on this.
Scripture has these tensions all through it. That's what I call them anyway.
For almost every verse, there is a verse or verses in tension to it. And if you don't consider both, you don't have a well rounded understanding but a lopsided one.
So, you gave the verse that whatever you ask for in prayer will be given to you.
A verse in tension to that verse is this: you ask and do not receive because you ask with the wrong motives.
Hope that came out clear...tired and not proofing my writing.
Ok, Back to bed.
I'm reading this thread again this morning to see what I might have glossed over or missed.
I don't understand your attitude or frame of mind here. That doesn't mean you are wrong in some way, just that I don't understand it.
I would think listening to the stories of other people you share a similar experience with (being harmed by religion and religious men who didn't really care about you but rather about controlling others thoughts and behaviors) would give you more insight And be a help to you, even just to hear how they worked through the obvious anger and hurt that resulted from their awful treatment.
But instead, you seem to not want to hear about their own struggle through it unless it can crank your own emotions up or hop you up into some frenzy of feeling by having an explosive car chase.
That seems to me to indicate that you've shut your own self off in a defense mechanism, walling yourself off from feeling your own emotions and then engaging with others only if they can alleviate that dead or numb feeling that results from shutting yourself down, which is like...feeding off their emotions, getting some stimulation, but through them, then being able to safely leave it because it's not yours but rather theirs.
I understand this feels safe. It feels like you're protecting yourself so no one can ever hurt you again. But...it's also not emotional health and it's a using of people for self gratification, similar to watching porn. Like you want to feel but don't want any chance to be hurt. Its a fear based control issue.
Men are so varied in their defense mechanisms. Some hoard things, and it looks strange to us and we can't understand why they freak out at even the smallest attempt by someone else to help them declutter, but its fear. Its always fear. They are feeling some alleviation of their fear by feeling control over their own little sphere.
I think somewhere deep inside they know (if they would examine things) that they have no control. They can't control if they get cancer, or if someone they love dies. And instead of working through the fear this creates, they find some...artificial solution that keeps them from having to deal with their fears of really having no control.
The only difference between a hoarder of things and someone who turns their own emotions off is the way they choose to make themselves feel in control. They are both trying to feel in control of what they have no real control over. They are both trying to feel no fear or tamp down their fear.
Even religious men who tried to control all your thoughts of God by getting everyone on the exact same doctrinal page, even they do this to try to alleviate their own fears.
I'm fairly emotionally healthy at the moment, and yes Willie and I just might have traveled the same path of dealing with hypocritical Christians. However for some reason Willie stayed in the fray and I left the family.
I've talked with Willie for a few years now. I'm not sure he would describe himself as never having left the fray...
I've seen him work through a lot of anger. Willie used to be a much more angry men when I met him.
I never heard him outright say he no longer believed God didn't exist, but he did leave the fray in a sense. He left strict doctrinal religion, went to a church he saw some of the same issues in, I think, but stayed because there were people he cared about there. ( if I have some of that wrong, he'll correct me.)
But he kept coming to Christian websites and is that really leaving the fray?
You keep coming back to Christian websites too. And you are a conflicted man. One moment you say you think God doesn't exist and a page later, you say you think He does, but you call Him "it" and say you don't think He involves Himself in the lives of men.
I can understand your earlier mocking better now. But you are trying to shrug off doctrine or indoctrination and are rejecting what men taught you and move into truth rather than men's opinions. That's good. But at times, you reject God Himself in your anger at what men have done to you.
But you give yourself away and show you do still believe God exists despite your anger and disgust at men.
I am sure you will be in a far different and less conflicted place later on because you are persistent and keep entering the fray . you should keep writing since it helps you to work through it all and gain insights. I actually do the same thing.
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I don't believe in a God, I just know there is a prime creator. There's a big difference, in knowing something and believing something. It took me 40+ years to figure that out, but this doesn't mean I somehow know who this creator is, what it requires me to eat, who it requires me to go to bed with, and in what position.
I enjoyed reading this thread a second time as much as I did the first time.
I wish I could stay and talk with you some more, but I have to get to work.
Ill check in when I take a break to see what new insights might come to us in the thread.
I also meant to look and see if you had posted any of your poetry yet but it will have to wait now. I was wondering if you fire off angry poetry or if you write poetry after you gain insight. Not that either would be right or wrong, I just wondered and want to read some of it.
You are very pleasant to talk with when you stop trying to rail against someone else's views and instead just share your own, while also allowing others to have theirs.
I wish I could stay and talk with you some more, but I have to get to work.
Ill check in when I take a break to see what new insights might come to us in the thread.
I also meant to look and see if you had posted any of your poetry yet but it will have to wait now. I was wondering if you fire off angry poetry or if you write poetry after you gain insight. Not that either would be right or wrong, I just wondered and want to read some of it.
You are very pleasant to talk with when you stop trying to rail against someone else's views and instead just share your own, while also allowing others to have theirs.
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I guess you are the only one that can answer that for yourself. I’m a firm believer...I see you don’t seem to like that word “believer” ...but I’m pretty firm in wanting to not blame a group or others on my last day for ‘their’ getting it wrong. By ‘it wrong’ I mean life and what it is about. You mentioned all the different voices telling you this is right ...no this is right!...I’m probably (close) to being as tired of allowing others to decide for me as you are. You’ve gone in another direction but to me...it is opening His word and reading it for myself and listening to what it says to me. wrong or right...at least I’ll have no one to blame for my decision and direction taken.(time wasted or time spent well) No other group or masses to blame ...only myself.
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It will be interesting to talk to you when you get back on.I enjoyed reading this thread a second time as much as I did the first time.
I wish I could stay and talk with you some more, but I have to get to work.
Ill check in when I take a break to see what new insights might come to us in the thread.
I also meant to look and see if you had posted any of your poetry yet but it will have to wait now. I was wondering if you fire off angry poetry or if you write poetry after you gain insight. Not that either would be right or wrong, I just wondered and want to read some of it.
You are very pleasant to talk with when you stop trying to rail against someone else's views and instead just share your own, while also allowing others to have theirs.
You decided what you want fixed.
(Your mind).
Then You wonder why a God you do not believe in will not Fix you.
(As you have decided is Properly).
My God already notifies people, the Carnal Mind is Against God.
(You are a perfect example).
It was big of you, to give My God every opportunity to FIX your Mind;
However...
My God Never taught it is His Intent to FIX anyone's Mind.
Nor does My God hear from those who do not believe in Him.
And with confidance, I would say, He has not Heard you.
Yes, My God exists, but you are on ignore.
Glory to My God,
Taken
Yes, it's your God alright. Would you like to learn about my God, then you can compare.
Correct. That wasn't enough.
It becomes enough:
When one truly Believes from their spirit in their Heart...
AND
IS Willing to Repent and confess giving their life To Thee Lord God.
Eleven of Jesus' chosen Disciples elected to continue following Jesus' teachings...
ONE walked away, like you.
Eleven of those Disciples were saved, one was not.
Glory to God,
Taken
No Thanks. Comparing is fruitless. Thee Lord God is Above All other gods.
Glory to Thee Lord God,
Taken
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