In the book of Revelation it mentions 'a little season' twice.

[Davidpt]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

I believe they are the same. I also believe that the seals, trumpets and vials in Revelation are parallel. I believe that Satan is loosed at the fifth trumpet since I believe that Abaddon (Apollyon) is another name for Satan and it talks about the bottomless pit being opened at the fifth trumpet. Since I see the fifth seal is parallel to the fifth trumpet, then it fits my Amill view that the little season referenced in Revelation 6:11 is the same little season during which Satan is loosed referenced in Revelation 20.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is.

See above.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

This is your assumption, but it never says in Revelation 20 that no one in the camp of the saints is killed. That is an argument from silence on your part.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

Again, the absence of a certain detail in a passage is not proof that the passage cannot be referring to the same time period or event as another passage that contains different details about that time period or event. That is how pre-tribs interpret scripture. They make a lot of arguments from silence. That is how they conclude that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is not the same event as Matthew 24:29-31. They think just because the angels are not referenced in the 1 Thess 4 passage then it can't be referring to the same event as Matthew 24:29-31. Arguments from silence like that are not really arguments at all. There's nothing in the two passages that contradict each other and they have similarities, so there's nothing there to prove they are not the same event.

 

[PinSeeker]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

I say that what you are talking about, David... A and B... are two very, very different things. Revelation 6:11 in particular says, "Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been." Is it not possible for you to see that as synonymous, actually with the first resurrection and our sharing in it, in Revelation 20:4-6? And... 'rest'... So, this quote from Jesus comes to mind here, among other things:

"Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-29).​

So, in other words, your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's "little while" is after it is ended. Or, at least, in consideration of this mini-conversation in the other thread between you and me and SI, A and B are not the same; B comes after A.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I say that what you are talking about, David... A and B... are two very, very different things. Revelation 6:11 in particular says, "Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been." Is it not possible for you to see that as synonymous, actually with the first resurrection and our sharing in it, in Revelation 20:4-6? And... 'rest'... So, this quote from Jesus comes to mind here, among other things:

"Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-29).​

So, in other words, your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's "little while" is after it is ended. Or, at least, in consideration of this mini-conversation in the other thread between you and me and SI, A and B are not the same; B comes after A.

When do you see the little season of Revelation 6:11 as having begun and when do you believe it ends?

 

[PinSeeker]

When do you see the little season of Revelation 6:11 as having begun and when do you believe it ends?

Did I not say to David, "...your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's 'little while' is after it is ended"...? I guess I could have left out that little word 'in' in there... And you and I are both amillennial, right? <smile>

Grace and peace to you, SI.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did I not say to David, "...your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's 'little while' is after it is ended"...? I guess I could have left out that little word 'in' in there... And you and I are both amillennial, right? <smile>

You obviously misunderstood my question. I wasn't asking if you see Revelation 6:11 as occurring during the thousand years or not. I'm asking you when exactly you think the little season of Revelation 6:11 began and when exactly you believe it ends. Do you believe it began long ago when the figurative thousand years began?

 

[Davidpt]

I say that what you are talking about, David... A and B... are two very, very different things. Revelation 6:11 in particular says, "Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been." Is it not possible for you to see that as synonymous, actually with the first resurrection and our sharing in it, in Revelation 20:4-6? And... 'rest'... So, this quote from Jesus comes to mind here, among other things:

"Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-29).​

So, in other words, your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's "little while" is after it is ended. Or, at least, in consideration of this mini-conversation in the other thread between you and me and SI, A and B are not the same; B comes after A.

Grace and peace to you.

Trust me, though I might disagree, I get where you are coming from here. But there are some hurdles you have to get over first that make your view come across as unlikely in the meantime.

For one if a little season per A) can equal a lengthy time, a thousand years, actually 2000 years and counting per Amil thinking, why is it then that the little season per B) isn't invoving a lengthy period like that as well? How does it make sense that a little season can be meaning both a literal lengthy period of time and also a literally short period of time at the same time?

Plus, let's not forget, that until the beast rises out of the pit first, the little season per A) can't even be fulfilled in the meantime.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I don't know how you might interpret this, but I will tell you how I might.

was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit

A) was = before it is in the pit

B) and is not = when it is in the pit

C) and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit = it is no longer in the pit

When John was given these visions, be that before 70 AD or after, the status of the beast at the time was B), and that C) is meaning in his future. As to C), that's what the little season in per A) is pertaining to. It certainly isn't pertaining to A) or B) above.

I have more I can probably add here, but I will stop here for now. These are not the only hurdles you need to get over first. This is just the beginning.

 

[Marty fox]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

Different little seasons one during the great tribulation on the saints during the thousand year binding and the other after the thousand year binding

 

[ScottA]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

To each a little season. "To the Jew first and also to the Greek (gentile)" (Romans 2:10). "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46).

 

[Davidpt]

I believe they are the same. I also believe that the seals, trumpets and vials in Revelation are parallel. I believe that Satan is loosed at the fifth trumpet since I believe that Abaddon (Apollyon) is another name for Satan and it talks about the bottomless pit being opened at the fifth trumpet. Since I see the fifth seal is parallel to the fifth trumpet, then it fits my Amill view that the little season referenced in Revelation 6:11 is the same little season during which Satan is loosed referenced in Revelation 20.


See above.


This is your assumption, but it never says in Revelation 20 that no one in the camp of the saints is killed. That is an argument from silence on your part.


Again, the absence of a certain detail in a passage is not proof that the passage cannot be referring to the same time period or event as another passage that contains different details about that time period or event. That is how pre-tribs interpret scripture. They make a lot of arguments from silence. That is how they conclude that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is not the same event as Matthew 24:29-31. They think just because the angels are not referenced in the 1 Thess 4 passage then it can't be referring to the same event as Matthew 24:29-31. Arguments from silence like that are not really arguments at all. There's nothing in the two passages that contradict each other and they have similarities, so there's nothing there to prove they are not the same event.

I typed up a response, but instead of posting it first, I gave it to chatgpt to polish up, so to speak, thus the following. Still my thoughts, still my answers, just not framed in the same way it initially was.
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chatgpt: Refinement of Your Reply (Polished Tone)

I appreciate your response, but I believe you may have misunderstood the core of my reasoning. I’m not claiming that the lack of mention of martyrdom in Revelation 20:7–9 proves none occurs—rather, I’m saying that when this silence is paired with the clear contrast in outcome (judgment of the wicked with no harm to the saints), it strongly suggests that the "little season" in Rev. 20 is not a time of persecution for the saints.

Further, Revelation 6:11 explicitly defines its "little season" in terms of waiting for martyrdom to be completed. Revelation 20, in contrast, presents a decisive, one-sided defeat of evil forces with no hint of martyrdom. These are not just different details—they are opposite dynamics.

So unless it's shown that the saints in Rev. 20:7–9 are being persecuted and martyred—something the text does not mention and indeed seems to contradict—then we have no compelling reason to equate the two “little seasons.”

Let me expand a bit more on why I maintain that the "little season" in Revelation 6:11 and the one in Revelation 20:7–9 are not the same—and why the distinction is meaningful from a Premillennial perspective.

A) Narrative Tone and Function Are Clearly Distinct
In Revelation 6:11, the tone is anticipatory. The souls under the altar are crying out for justice, and they're told to wait a "little season" until the full number of their fellow martyrs is complete. This clearly implies a time of ongoing persecution—a period of patience, endurance, and suffering for the saints.

Now compare that with Revelation 20:7–9. There, the tone is decisively judgmental. Satan is loosed for a short time, yes—but it results in a quick and total destruction of those who gather against the camp of the saints. There's no indication of martyrdom, no mention of saints suffering or being overrun. The text focuses on God's intervention: He devours the enemies with fire. It's not a period of endurance; it's a moment of final victory and vindication.

So to me, these passages serve entirely different narrative and theological functions. One is about waiting and suffering. The other is about triumph and closure.

B) The “Little Season” Means Something Different in Each Context
In Revelation 6:11, the "little season" is specifically tied to martyrdom—a delay in God's judgment so that more saints may be killed. It’s not just a general waiting period; it’s a purposeful delay tied to suffering.

In Revelation 20:7–9, the phrase "little season" refers to the temporary release of Satan to deceive the nations. This isn’t about martyrdom or persecution from within; it's about a final rebellion from without that is swiftly judged. There’s no "waiting" language here, and no indication the saints are under pressure or being killed during this time.

If we take the text at face value, the purpose and outcome of each "little season" are completely different.

C) The Argument from Silence Doesn’t Hold
I understand the criticism that I might be making an argument from silence—but that’s not exactly what I’m doing. This isn’t just a matter of what’s not said in Revelation 20:7–9; it’s about what is said and how it contrasts with Revelation 6.

We have an entire scene where the enemies of the saints are judged, but no mention—not even a hint—of the saints being killed. That’s significant, especially when Revelation has no problem describing martyrdom in vivid detail elsewhere.

If Revelation 20:7–9 were continuing the martyrdom pattern of chapter 6, wouldn’t we expect some mention of it here—especially when the focus is on conflict and opposition? The fact that the saints are called a "camp" and a "beloved city," and the fact that God Himself intervenes on their behalf, tells me this is a protected, secure remnant—not a persecuted, dying one.

So this is not just silence—it's deliberate contrast. And that contrast supports the view that we are dealing with two very different "little seasons."

 

[PinSeeker]

Trust me, though I might disagree, I get where you are coming from here.

Okay, we'll leave it at that, then.

But there are some hurdles you have to get over first that make your view come across as unlikely in the meantime.

Ah yes, hurdles... Well yeah, that's the problem, I agree, but I think in a different sense than you do... <smile>

How does it make sense that a little season can be meaning both a literal lengthy period of time and also a literally short period of time at the same time?

I think there's plenty of precedent for both... in the Bible, and in our lives...

These are not the only hurdles you need to get over first. This is just the beginning.

<chuckles> Those hurdles you see, David, are actually roadblocks you've set up for yourself. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[grafted branch]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

Hey David, in Revelation 6:11 KJV says “rest yet for a little season” while other versions such as NKJV has “rest a little while longer”.

When I do a search for the phrase “little while” there are quite a few verses that contain that phrase versus only two verses that contain “little season”. The word “little” is <3398> mikros and the word “season” is <5550> chronos.

Those same two words are also used in John 7:33 and John 12:35. Maybe those two verses should also be looked at when comparing how long or short a little season is.



John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little <3398> while <5550> am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.

John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little <3398> while <5550> is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I typed up a response, but instead of posting it first, I gave it to chatgpt to polish up, so to speak, thus the following. Still my thoughts, still my answers, just not framed in the same way it initially was.

That's fine.

I appreciate your response, but I believe you may have misunderstood the core of my reasoning. I’m not claiming that the lack of mention of martyrdom in Revelation 20:7–9 proves none occurs—rather, I’m saying that when this silence is paired with the clear contrast in outcome (judgment of the wicked with no harm to the saints), it strongly suggests that the "little season" in Rev. 20 is not a time of persecution for the saints.

This makes no sense. I don't find this to be a strong argument at all. It's just another argument from silence.

Further, Revelation 6:11 explicitly defines its "little season" in terms of waiting for martyrdom to be completed. Revelation 20, in contrast, presents a decisive, one-sided defeat of evil forces with no hint of martyrdom. These are not just different details—they are opposite dynamics.

Another argument from silence. Each verse is speaking of different aspects of what occurs during that little season.

So unless it's shown that the saints in Rev. 20:7–9 are being persecuted and martyred—something the text does not mention and indeed seems to contradict—then we have no compelling reason to equate the two “little seasons.”

So, let's agree with the pre-tribs then that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and Matthew 24:29-31 are different events since 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 doesn't mention the angels. Right? Or is that just an argument from silence like what you are trying to make in relation to the comparison between Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 20:7-9?

Let me expand a bit more on why I maintain that the "little season" in Revelation 6:11 and the one in Revelation 20:7–9 are not the same—and why the distinction is meaningful from a Premillennial perspective.

A) Narrative Tone and Function Are Clearly Distinct
In Revelation 6:11, the tone is anticipatory. The souls under the altar are crying out for justice, and they're told to wait a "little season" until the full number of their fellow martyrs is complete. This clearly implies a time of ongoing persecution—a period of patience, endurance, and suffering for the saints.

Revelation 20:7-9 clearly talks about people being in opposition to the saints, so what do people do when that is the case? They persecute the saints. So, I'm finding all of this to be a very weak argument.

Now compare that with Revelation 20:7–9. There, the tone is decisively judgmental. Satan is loosed for a short time, yes—but it results in a quick and total destruction of those who gather against the camp of the saints.

He is loosed long enough to persecute believers, so there's no basis to think that he doesn't do that at all during the little season.

There's no indication of martyrdom, no mention of saints suffering or being overrun.

There's no gathering of the elect by the angels mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, so that means that passage is a different event than Matthew 24:29-31 using that logic. See how this type of argument from silence is not valid? Why can you not understand that? The rest of your post is you just basically repeating yourself, so I'll just end my post here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think there's plenty of precedent for both... in the Bible, and in our lives...

There is no precedent in the Bible where the Greek word translated as "little" in both Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 20:3, which is "mikros" (Strong's G3398) ever means anything but a small amount of something like time or something being literally small or small or low in stature. But, you believe that the "little season" of Revelation 6:11 has been ongoing for almost 2,000 years at this point, right? I don't believe that the word "mikros" used to refer to a period of time can be used to refer to a literally long period of time, but only to a literally short amount of time.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello,

In Daniel 7:12 we find the following,

Dan 7:11-12: - 11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.​

NKJV​

A season has a duration of 1,000 solar years and an age has a duration of 1,024 solar years. Now the Season begins at the start of the seventh age, so that the little while period after the completion of the 1,000 solar years to complete the duration of the seventh age is 24 solar years.

Much of what is written in the Book of Revelation will occur during the little while period at the end of the seventh age.

Now Isaiah 24:21-22 informs us that the heavenly hosts are judged in heaven and the kings of the earth are judged on the face of the earth at the same time and they are both brought together and then imprisoned in a pit. i.e. called the bottomless pit in the Book of revelation, for 1,000 solar years and then in Rev 9 we are told that the Bottomless pit is unlocked by a star, which is also a reference to an Angel, at the start of the Little while period when we see the judged kings of the earth, the judged heavenly hosts and Satan released from the Bottomless pit for a little while period: -

Rev 20:1-3: - 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.​

NKJV​

After the Beast, the False Prophet and Satan have been dispatched into the Lake of Fire, the final judgement begins.

Shalom

 

[ewq1938]

The concept of a "short period of time" is not unique as others have presented here already. There is another one in Rev 12 using different Greek words but the meaning is the same. These many "short seasons" are found throughout the NT, and are not the same time periods.

 

[Davy]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

No, the "little season" expression idea is different with both. The purpose with giving a metaphor without defining an exact literal period is how it can apply to different events.

The "little season" about those with the 5th Seal is for the "great tribulation" period.

The "little season" of Rev.20 is about Christ's future "thousand years" reign, and then Satan is to be loosed out of his pit prison to go deceive the nations one final time.

Thus same expression used for TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS AND TIMES.

Same with the idea of "hour" used in the New Testament prophecies. Last hour when the laborers worked but got paid the same represent "great tribulation" timing.

The "hour of temptation" represent "great tribulation" timing.

The one hour that the ten kings reign with the beast.

The hour of Christ's future coming.

The specific hour the four angels bound at the Euphrates are loosed.

All of those events are using that "hour" idea as a metaphor for certain periods of time and specific events to happen at those periods.

So this is not rocket science. It's simple.

 

[PinSeeker]

There is no precedent in the Bible where the Greek word translated as "little" in both Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 20:3, which is "mikros" (Strong's G3398) ever means anything but a small amount of something like time or something being literally small...

Ah, but "literally small" to us? Sometimes yes... Or "literally small" to God but not "literally small" to us? Sometimes yes... <smile> So, it depends on the context...

or small or low in stature. But, you believe that the "little season" of Revelation 6:11 has been ongoing for almost 2,000 years at this point, right? I don't believe that the word "mikros" used to refer to a period of time can be used to refer to a literally long period of time, but only to a literally short amount of time.

Disagree, but okay, fair enough... What I would say, SI, is that "a short amount of time" is understood very differently from God's perspective as opposed to ours. In other words, what may actually be a long, long time to you and me is even but a moment to God, which is exactly what Peter, quoting David from Psalm 90...

"...do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day... (t)he Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness..." (2 Peter 3:8-9)​

Do a wordsearch on "little while" and see what you come up with. <smile> You might be surprised. Click here... Consider the following sampling:

"Is it not yet a very little while until Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be regarded as a forest? In that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book, and out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see. The meek shall obtain fresh joy in the Lord, and the poor among mankind shall exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ruthless shall come to nothing and the scoffer cease, and all who watch to do evil shall be cut off, who by a word make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right" (Isaiah 29:17-21).​

"Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, 'Yet a little while, and the coming One will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him.' But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls." (Hebrews 10:35-39).​

I say again, that in the Bible, in various places, "a little while" means a literally short amount of our time, but in other places it means what seems to us a long period of time, even very long... And in some places it means both, because it has ~ again, to us, with regard to time ~ both short-range and long-range implications, which is what we sometimes call layered prophecy, meaning multiple interations, where the final iteration is the ultimate, um, Iteration (with a capital I). With regard to this both thing, I would submit that this is what Jesus was saying to the disciples ~ and to us, by extension ~ in John 16. Even the disciples there said, "What does he mean by ‘a little while’? We do not know what he is talking about" (John 16:18).

So... I say we should be very careful with this. <smile> And I'm not really singling you out; you're not the only one I'm actually saying this to here. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

No, the "little season" expression idea is different with both. The purpose with giving a metaphor without defining an exact literal period is how it can apply to different events.

I was right with you this far... <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Zao is life]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The question is, is the little season recorded in A) meaning the same little season recorded in B)? Because if it is, it would be absurd for any Premil to insist that this does not prove Amil in that case.

What I would like to accomplish in this thread before the OP is eventually ignored altogether and that we are in here debating post trib vs pretrib lol, or whatever, is this. Those who think that A) is the same little season as B), list reasons why it is. Likewise, anyone that thinks they are not the same little season, list reasons why they are not.

Currently, my position is that they are not the same little season in both accounts. And here is at least one reason why.

Per B) when looking what follows, none of the camp of the saints meant, are killed by anyone. Only those coming against the camp of the saints are killed by anyone. In this case, they are killed by God because He devours them with fire. As to the little season per A). Obviously, saints are being killed left and right throughout that little season.

I have more reasons I can come up with besides just this. But for now, this alone is enough reason to conclude they are not the same little season unless the opposition can prove that the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9, that some of them, maybe even many of them, are being killed throughout B). Obviously, if any of the camp of saints meant in Revelation 20:7-9 are killed and are being killed during B), no way in a million years, in that case, could Revelation 20:7-9 be supporting Premil then.

You bring up a very good point about this IMO.

There were no chapter divisions in the Bible until 1227 AD and Revelation 12 contains no mention of Satan being bound or loosed for a little season before the text flows into Revelation 13 and Satan giving the beast his kingdom, power and great authority.

It's the beast who is said to reign for 42 months in Revelation 13:5, and this is what many assume is Satan's 'little season' being spoken of in Revelation 20:3.

But as you point out whereas Revelation 13:7 says "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and authority was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."; and Revelation 6:11 implies that there will be saints killed during a "little season" at the end of this age,

Revelation 20:9 speaks about those who had been deceived by Satan coming against the camp of the saints and being devoured by fire coming from God out of heaven, with no harm coming upon those inside "the camp of the saints" being mentioned.

So it's a matter of private interpretation of the scriptures brought about through their own choices as to what they want to believe or believe it "should" mean, if someone links the little season of Revelation 20:3 to Revelation 6:11 and falsely combines the two into the same "little season".

Well spotted.