Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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Hi Scott,When you say this you deny the future resurrection of all people, the just and the unjust
Fact is that is a grievous ERROR to suggest the resurrection is past, people need to think before they type comments
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 24:14-16 - New King James Version
But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of...www.biblegateway.com
14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. 15 I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection [a]of the dead, both of the just and the unjust. 16 This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.
17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of [a]Christ depart from iniquity.”Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 2:17-19 - New King James Version
And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those...
Where did I say that there was no resurrection of the just and unjust? Please quote me if you can because I do not believe that or even thought I posted that.
Are you denying that Jesus will raise all that are in the graves when He comes?
Are you saying the wicked dead are not in hell currently or that some of the wicked dead are not in hell or something else?
It was in the way you wrote what you wrote...
As long as you believe the resurrection is still future except for Christ as He is the first resurrection, then ok.
As only Christ is risen from the dead and glorified right now. And He reigns in heaven but the saints reigning with Him now, are not yet glorified with a glorified risen body as they are not yet been resurrected. Their life is hid with Christ in God. And they are with Him in heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:20
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
37 But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
Jesus speaking to the unbelieving Jews in Luke 20.
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25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
Jesus speaking to the unbelieving Jews in Luke 20.
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John 11:24-26
New King James Version
24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Christ raises all on the Last Day, as He is the resurrection, but not all raised will have the resurrection of life, some will have the resurrection of condemnation. Only those who believe in Christ have life.
`all who are in the graves,` as God`s word says. We need to be specific there.
Christ is the firstfruits of those who died, as so far Christ is the only one resurrected from the dead.
Christ rose from the dead, after 3 days and nights, in the heart of the earth.
if you live long enough, your body will also go to the grave and experience corruption. God though did not allow Christ's body to experience corruption.
Anyone who remains alive at the coming of Christ is still going to get a glorified body. There is a false teaching going around that only the 'dead bodies' in Christ will be glorified!
While those in living bodies remain unchanged.
Scripture refutes that as our citizenship is heavenly, not earthly. We shall all be changed at His appearing, not just the 'dead in Christ'n are changed.
Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 3 - New King James Version
All for Christ - Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and...
Our Citizenship in Heaven
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.Yes! That is the one final future coming of Christ. It is the last day. It is the end of time. This is the second coming. There is no one left to be raised after the general resurrection/judgment. Everyone arise when Jesus comes. Scriptures forbids your claims. Revelation 20 is the last recap in Revelation. It terminates at the one final future coming of Christ.
Jesus taught in John 5:24-29: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
The righteous and wicked dead all rise in response to the same sovereign voice - Christ's. Christ’s description of the resurrection depicts a unitary event, albeit in two parts. Part 1 is the elect; Part 2 is the wicked. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
If there were 2 separate resurrections then there have to be 2 separate shouts. But there is not. There is only one shout when Christ appears; both the just and the unjust respond.
In truth, this reading outlines one quickening shout of the Lord, at the second coming of Christ, which all “the dead” hear, and which all the dead consequently respond. There are two resurrections outlined in this reading, but these resurrections are not two periods. The Scripture refers to them as to which men there are destinations one destination.
The usage and extent of this figurative ‘hour’ surrounds what will continue to occur throughout the period of this ‘hour’ whether literal or figurative. In this case, the hour sees ‘the time’ when “all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. And shall come forth” Notwithstanding, the extent of this hour involves the continuation of what occurs in the hour.
If you hadn't been subject to the Premil paradigm, you could never see a 1,000 years separation (or any significant separation) in the resurrection and judgment of both the righteous and the wicked. In my experience Premils interpret every passage in Scripture in light of their opinion of Revelation 20, instead of interpreting Rev 20 in the light of the rest of Scripture.
Hearing the Lord`s voice does not mean that He comes to the earth, which actually fled away. So no second coming there. All the dead that were in the graves come forth to the Lord`s Judgment throne.
`Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.` (Rev. 20: 11)
The resurrection and judgment happen at His appearing, traditionally this is when He comes a second time, and appears to the world coming on the clouds of heaven; at which time every eye shall see Him.
Then all the dead come forth, being resurrected and they stand before Him and are judged.
No one escapes being called forth, all the dead wherever they died, come forth, whether on sea or land.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 4 - New King James Version
Preach the Word - I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come...
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We also read that in what Christ says, that after they are resurrected, they are judged. And that the Father judges no one, all judgement has been given to the Son. This occurs when He appears a second time in the air, coming on the clouds, and yes heaven and earth pass away at the second coming, just like Christ says
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New King James Version
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first...
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Life and Judgment Are Through the Son
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
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Bible Gateway passage: Mark 13 - New King James Version
Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple - Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another...
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Bible Gateway passage: Mark 13 - New King James Version
Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple - Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another...
The Coming of the Son of Man
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.The Parable of the Fig Tree
28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that [i]it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.No One Knows the Day or Hour
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The gathering is to Him. Everyone will stand before Him to be judged
The just and the unjust are there, see how Paul writes this
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 5:9-11 - New King James Version
The Judgment Seat of Christ - Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing...
The Judgment Seat of Christ
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.Each in his own order speaks of those who are being made spiritually alive in Christ. They become part of the firstfruits of the Spirit through Christ when they have one by one, each in his own order been born again of the Spirit.
Yes, all who are in the graves shall be bodily resurrected at the last day when Christ comes again. Only the physically dead must be bodily resurrected to life again to either resurrected physical life or physically for damnation.
While I agree with your reply, I would not speak of the bodily resurrection of ALL who are in the graves as 'two' resurrections. IMO this causes confusion. When speaking resurrection life, I think it helps to show the Bible always only speaks of the "first resurrection" which pertains to the resurrection life mankind must have part in through the resurrected life of Christ. And the ONE bodily resurrection for ALL who are physically dead that shall come at the end of the age. IOW not two bodily resurrections at all, only one bodily resurrection for mankind when Christ comes again, and the spiritual life through the resurrection of Christ man must have part in before physical death to overcome the second death.
You are playing with words now to support what you have been taught. That is not what it says! This passage proves that Jesus comes at the end of the millennium.
Jesus taught in John 5:24-29: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
Scripture constantly refers to one general resurrection / judgment day, a day when everyman shall rise to meet the Lord and account for the life that he has lived on this earth. Notwithstanding, Premillennialists try to argue that the “hour” mentioned in John 5:28 represents a literal thousand years and involves two physical resurrections, the first being for the righteous at the beginning of the thousand years, the second for the wicked at the end of that period. However, a closer look at this passage shows that there is not the slightest intimation of such an interpretation in this reading. As we have already established, whatever time-span this hour covers, and whatever actually occurs within it, must assuredly continue to happen throughout the time-span of this hour – that is the consistent usage of this figure in other Scripture. The stated occurrence must be ongoing throughout the stated period in view (however long that may be). In this case it is the resurrection of the dead (both righteous and wicked). So the Premillennialist must accept, the millennium is a period of constant and ongoing resurrection of the righteous and constant and ongoing judgment of the wicked.
There is one physical resurrection day in which there are two types of raising, (1) unto life, (2) unto damnation. Acts 24:15 says, “there shall be a resurrection of the dead (singular), both of the just and unjust.”
This verse speaks of a singular “resurrection of the dead” not multiple resurrections (plural) of the dead as the Premillennialist would try and intimate. The fact that Paul differentiates between the wicked and the righteous in no way proves that these are two separate resurrections coming at the end of two separate ages split by 1,000 years+ of history (filled with all the produce of the curse – sin, death and corruption). No, it simply demonstrates that there are two types of resurrection in the one final resurrection of the dead at the end. In fact, for Premils to insist on their concept is to force something into the passage that doesn’t truly exist. Scripture constantly distinguishes between the wicked and the righteous even though they are found participating in the same event at the same time. Why would anyone think it strange that the Holy Spirit would identify the two different parties that take part in the general “resurrection of the dead”? After all, it is a normal biblical procedure to distinguish between these two conflicting camps. Although to suggest that the identifying of these two distinct parties indicates two separate events at two separate times is illogical.
Revelation 20:11-15 says, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
This is a general judgment when Jesus comes! It doesn't say they are only the unsaved dead anywhere. It says "the dead" were "judged."
The great white throne arrives at the one and only coming of Christ, which sees the removal of the current corrupt heavens and earth. Scripture proves that the second coming is all-consummating. It is the end. This ushers in the arrival of the new heavens and new earth. This also instigates the time when the “dead” are raised (saved and lost) to face their final general judgment. This all-inclusive number is “judged every man according to their works.” This corresponds with several other Scripture that locates the raising/judging of the dead to the second coming. This is a general judgment when Jesus comes!
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Yes, this is true, but when the dead are called to stand before the GWTJ only the dead who were never made spiritually alive through Christ are judged according to what is found written in the books and the book of life.
Revelation 20:12-15 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
All of humanity shall stand before God at the GWTJ but those on Christ's right shall already be clothed in His righteousness. Those who physically died IN CHRIST were made spiritually alive changed BEFORE the GWTJ. When Christ calls the saved from the graves we will be bodily changed to immortal & incorruptible at the last trumpet when Christ comes again.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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