Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[WPM]

While I agree with your reply, I would not speak of the bodily resurrection of ALL who are in the graves as 'two' resurrections. IMO this causes confusion. When speaking resurrection life, I think it helps to show the Bible always only speaks of the "first resurrection" which pertains to the resurrection life mankind must have part in through the resurrected life of Christ. And the ONE bodily resurrection for ALL who are physically dead that shall come at the end of the age. IOW not two bodily resurrections at all, only one bodily resurrection for mankind when Christ comes again, and the spiritual life through the resurrection of Christ man must have part in before physical death to overcome the second death.

I agree with your general thesis. But the ungodly do not partake in the first resurrection of Christ. We do. There is one general resurrection, although, there are two aspects to that one resurrection, that occurs during this singular event. These resurrections do not occur at two different periods of time.

 

[rwb]

I agree with your general thesis. But the ungodly do not partake in the first resurrection of Christ. We do. There is one general resurrection, although, there are two aspects to that one resurrection, that occurs during this singular event. These resurrections do not occur at two different periods of time.

The real confusion comes when we speak of the resurrection of Christ we must have part in before we physically die, as a 'resurrection' of man rather than saying we have part in Christ's resurrection life when we have been born again of His Spirit. IOW when we are spiritually made alive, we have NOT been resurrected, we have been born again! I'm not implying that you don't already know this. I'm simply pointing out why so many might believe there are 'two' physical resurrections of man separated by one thousand literal years.

 

[Doug]

Where?

[Mic 4:1 KJV] "But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it."
[Mic 4:2 KJV] "And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."
[Mic 4:3 KJV] "And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

[Isa 2:2 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."
[Isa 2:3 KJV] "And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."
[Isa 2:4 KJV] "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

 

[Doug]

Why do you have the last days occurring after Christ's second coming instead of between the first and second comings of Christ?

[Isa 2:2 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."
[Mic 4:1 KJV] "But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it."
[Act 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

The last days are when the Lord will initiate and accomplish his 1000yr reign

 

[WPM]

[Isa 2:2 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."
[Mic 4:1 KJV] "But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it."
[Act 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

The last days are when the Lord will initiate and accomplish his 1000yr reign

What? Are you serious? Scripture refutes your claims.

A future millennium is not the beginning of the last days. The earthly ministry of Christ is. The last days are now and the last day is the climactic second coming. The Old Testament prophecies of “the last days” relate to the period following the Messiah’s first appearance when He introduced the kingdom of God to this earth and opened up the Gospel to the nations. Christ’s earthly ministry ushered in the period of the last days. This is confirmed in different New Testament passages.

Hebrews 1:1-2 declares, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.”

The last days commenced with the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ of which this passage provides indisputable proof. The Incarnation inaugurated the final era of God’s great plan of salvation for mankind.

Hebrews 9:26 also says, “now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

1 Peter 1:19-20 also confirm that, “Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world … was manifest in these last times for you.”

Peter declared in Acts 2:16-17, alluding to the happenings on the day of Pentecost,“this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.”

John twice testified in I John 2:18, “it is the last time (eschatos hōra or last hour).”

2 Timothy 3:1-9 highlights the stark decline that exists before the Second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is certainly not speaking of period following the return of Christ. 2 Timothy 3:1 testifies: “in the last days perilous (or hard to bear, troublesome, dangerous, harsh, fierce, savage) times shall come.” Christ’s return brings an end to all this rebellion and wickedness. He comes to ushering eternal righteousness.

2 Peter 3:3-13 speaks of the sceptics who are mocking and scoffing as to the actuality of the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It reads: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?” (v4). If the last days relate to a future millennium, why would they be scoffing at an event that already occurred? They are mocking an impending future event. They are mocking the very idea of the second coming. Manifestly the “last days” occur before the coming of Jesus. It relates to the period we are now in.

James 5:3 also alludes to the last days and places that period before Jesus return. He to shows the last days to be a time of greed and folly. The return of Christ brings an end to such rebellion.

 

[Doug]

What? Are you serious? Scripture refutes your claims.

A future millennium is not the beginning of the last days. The earthly ministry of Christ is. The last days are now and the last day is the climactic second coming. The Old Testament prophecies of “the last days” relate to the period following the Messiah’s first appearance when He introduced the kingdom of God to this earth and opened up the Gospel to the nations. Christ’s earthly ministry ushered in the period of the last days. This is confirmed in different New Testament passages.

Hebrews 1:1-2 declares, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.”

The last days commenced with the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ of which this passage provides indisputable proof. The Incarnation inaugurated the final era of God’s great plan of salvation for mankind.

Hebrews 9:26 also says, “now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

1 Peter 1:19-20 also confirm that, “Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world … was manifest in these last times for you.”

Peter declared in Acts 2:16-17, alluding to the happenings on the day of Pentecost,“this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.”

John twice testified in I John 2:18, “it is the last time (eschatos hōra or last hour).”

2 Timothy 3:1-9 highlights the stark decline that exists before the Second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is certainly not speaking of period following the return of Christ. 2 Timothy 3:1 testifies: “in the last days perilous (or hard to bear, troublesome, dangerous, harsh, fierce, savage) times shall come.” Christ’s return brings an end to all this rebellion and wickedness. He comes to ushering eternal righteousness.

2 Peter 3:3-13 speaks of the sceptics who are mocking and scoffing as to the actuality of the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It reads: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?” (v4). If the last days relate to a future millennium, why would they be scoffing at an event that already occurred? They are mocking an impending future event. They are mocking the very idea of the second coming. Manifestly the “last days” occur before the coming of Jesus. It relates to the period we are now in.

James 5:3 also alludes to the last days and places that period before Jesus return. He to shows the last days to be a time of greed and folly. The return of Christ brings an end to such rebellion.

[Act 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
[Act 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
[Act 2:18 KJV] "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:"

The last days occur when the Spirit is poured out on Israel. The Spirit wasnt given until after Jesus ascended [Jhn 7:39 KJV] "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

They were given the Spirit to have power to be witnesses in the tribulation in the last days [Act 1:8 KJV] "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

 

[WPM]

[Act 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
[Act 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
[Act 2:18 KJV] "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:"

The last days occur when the Spirit is poured out on Israel. The Spirit wasnt given until after Jesus ascended [Jhn 7:39 KJV] "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

They were given the Spirit to have power to be witnesses in the tribulation in the last days [Act 1:8 KJV] "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

This is talking about Pentecost. We are in the last days since Christ's earthly ministry.

 

[Doug]

This is talking about Pentecost. We are in the last days since Christ's earthly ministry.

The event took place at Pentecost but Acts 2 is about Israel being empowered by the Spirit to go thru the last days and endure the tribulation and enter their kingdom when Christ returns

 

[WPM]

The event took place at Pentecost but Acts 2 is about Israel being empowered by the Spirit to go thru the last days and endure the tribulation and enter their kingdom when Christ returns

It was true Israel that were anointed of God. Ethnic Christ rejecting Israel are of their father the devil. There's always been two camps in israel. Pentecost referred to God's elect.

Contrary to what you have been taught, we are in the last days since the earthly ministry of Christ. There is no future last days after the second coming of Christ. That is a Premillennial invention. The second coming is the end. Time shall be no more. The last day is the coming of Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

The resurrection and judgment happen at His appearing, traditionally this is when He comes a second time, and appears to the world coming on the clouds of heaven; at which time every eye shall see Him.
Then all the dead come forth, being resurrected and they stand before Him and are judged.
No one escapes being called forth, all the dead wherever they died, come forth, whether on sea or land.

Just to be clear. Are you telling me that the Body of Christ will be in the graves and later go to the Judgment, the Great White Throne?

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, all who are in the graves shall be bodily resurrected at the last day when Christ comes again. Only the physically dead must be bodily resurrected to life again to either resurrected physical life or physically for damnation.

So rwb, just to be clear, are you also telling me that the Body of Christ will go to the Great White Throne judgment?

 

[Marilyn C]

You are playing with words now to support what you have been taught. That is not what it says! This passage proves that Jesus comes at the end of the millennium.

Jesus taught in John 5:24-29: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Scripture constantly refers to one general resurrection / judgment day, a day when everyman shall rise to meet the Lord and account for the life that he has lived on this earth. Notwithstanding, Premillennialists try to argue that the “hour” mentioned in John 5:28 represents a literal thousand years and involves two physical resurrections, the first being for the righteous at the beginning of the thousand years, the second for the wicked at the end of that period. However, a closer look at this passage shows that there is not the slightest intimation of such an interpretation in this reading. As we have already established, whatever time-span this hour covers, and whatever actually occurs within it, must assuredly continue to happen throughout the time-span of this hour – that is the consistent usage of this figure in other Scripture. The stated occurrence must be ongoing throughout the stated period in view (however long that may be). In this case it is the resurrection of the dead (both righteous and wicked). So the Premillennialist must accept, the millennium is a period of constant and ongoing resurrection of the righteous and constant and ongoing judgment of the wicked.

There is one physical resurrection day in which there are two types of raising, (1) unto life, (2) unto damnation. Acts 24:15 says, “there shall be a resurrection of the dead (singular), both of the just and unjust.”

This verse speaks of a singular “resurrection of the dead” not multiple resurrections (plural) of the dead as the Premillennialist would try and intimate. The fact that Paul differentiates between the wicked and the righteous in no way proves that these are two separate resurrections coming at the end of two separate ages split by 1,000 years+ of history (filled with all the produce of the curse – sin, death and corruption). No, it simply demonstrates that there are two types of resurrection in the one final resurrection of the dead at the end. In fact, for Premils to insist on their concept is to force something into the passage that doesn’t truly exist. Scripture constantly distinguishes between the wicked and the righteous even though they are found participating in the same event at the same time. Why would anyone think it strange that the Holy Spirit would identify the two different parties that take part in the general “resurrection of the dead”? After all, it is a normal biblical procedure to distinguish between these two conflicting camps. Although to suggest that the identifying of these two distinct parties indicates two separate events at two separate times is illogical.

Revelation 20:11-15 says, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

This is a general judgment when Jesus comes! It doesn't say they are only the unsaved dead anywhere. It says "the dead" were "judged."

The great white throne arrives at the one and only coming of Christ, which sees the removal of the current corrupt heavens and earth. Scripture proves that the second coming is all-consummating. It is the end. This ushers in the arrival of the new heavens and new earth. This also instigates the time when the “dead” are raised (saved and lost) to face their final general judgment. This all-inclusive number is “judged every man according to their works.” This corresponds with several other Scripture that locates the raising/judging of the dead to the second coming. This is a general judgment when Jesus comes!

So just to be clear are you saying we, the Body of Christ are judged by our works?

 

[WPM]

So just to be clear are you saying we, the Body of Christ are judged by our works?

We will all will give account for our lives - saved and unsaved. Our works/deeds do not determine our salvation, they determine our rewards.

Jesus said in Matthew 16:27, “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Contrary to what many think: this is not a judgment to determine men’s salvation, but to distribute rewards for their faithfulness or lack-there-of. Your eternal destiny is established in this life by your response to Jesus Christ. You either surrender your life to Him and serve Him, or you reject Him. It boils down to that!

1 Peter 4:5 tells us that we “shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick (or the living) and the dead”

We are accountable creatures. That is why we must give account for our own actions on judgment day. Augustine said this: “nothing has contributed more powerfully to wean me from all that held me down to earth than the thought … of death, and of the last judgment.”

2 Corinthians 5:10-11: "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."

This is the place where God rewards faithfulness and punishes unfaithfulness. You will give account for everything He has given you; that includes the call of God on your life.

Romans 14:10-12: "why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Here, Paul personalizes this by saying, “every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” This will be the most transparent day of your life. There will be no pointing the finger at others or making excuses.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:8, “every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.”

You will account for your own life on this great and final day, no one else’s. What is more, you have to personal account for your Christian service.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15: "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

We are going to discover that a lot of things we did were meaningless. Scripture presents the second coming of the Lord as the day when “every man's work shall be made manifest” (or be revealed). There is no hiding for anyone when Jesus comes. He is coming to mete out final justice for all. Every man’s works shall be judged as by fire. This day involves the judgement of both the righteous and the wicked. This day will see the righteous rewarded, and the wicked punished (“the day shall declare it”).

Ecclesiastes 12:14: "For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."

 

[Marilyn C]

We will all will give account for our lives - saved and unsaved. Our works/deeds do not determine our salvation, they determine our rewards.

Jesus said in Matthew 16:27, “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Contrary to what many think: this is not a judgment to determine men’s salvation, but to distribute rewards for their faithfulness or lack-there-of. Your eternal destiny is established in this life by your response to Jesus Christ. You either surrender your life to Him and serve Him, or you reject Him. It boils down to that!

1 Peter 4:5 tells us that we “shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick (or the living) and the dead”

We are accountable creatures. That is why we must give account for our own actions on judgment day. Augustine said this: “nothing has contributed more powerfully to wean me from all that held me down to earth than the thought … of death, and of the last judgment.”

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

This is the place where God rewards faithfulness and punishes unfaithfulness. You will give account for everything He has given you; that includes the call of God on your life.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Here, Paul personalizes this by saying, “every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” This will be the most transparent day of your life. There will be no pointing the finger at others or making excuses.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:8, “every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.”

You will account for your own life on this great and final day, no one else’s. What is more, you have to personal account for your Christian service.

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

We are going to discover that a lot of things we did were meaningless. Scripture presents the second coming of the Lord as the day when “every man's work shall be made manifest” (or be revealed). There is no hiding for anyone when Jesus comes. He is coming to mete out final justice for all. Every man’s works shall be judged as by fire. This day involves the judgement of both the righteous and the wicked. This day will see the righteous rewarded, and the wicked punished (“the day shall declare it”).

Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I agree with most of your good comments. We just seem to disagree on the timing.

So if we, the Body of Christ are judged and given rewards what about those from the graves who are sinners?

 

[WPM]

I agree with most of your good comments. We just seem to disagree on the timing.

So if we, the Body of Christ are judged and given rewards what about those from the graves who are sinners?

All the wicked are raised and judged when Jesus comes. They are then banished to everlasting punishment. Jesus alludes to the very same concluding day, in Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46, saying, “When the son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels … and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

• This is referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
• Christ is coming in final and majestic glory to execute judgment.
• The Lord only encounters two types of people when He returns.
• These are both judged at His appearing.
• One group is portrayed as righteous and is the subject of blessing and reward.
• The other group is portrayed as wicked and is the subject of God’s wrath and punished.
• They are before the exact same throne at the exact same time.
• There is no gap of time in-between the judgment of the righteous and the judgment of the wicked.
• The good receive eternal life.
• The bad obtain eternal punishment.
• There is absolutely no mention of, or allowance made for, a third group.

 

[Marilyn C]

All the wicked are raised and judged when Jesus comes. They are then banished to everlasting punishment. Jesus alludes to the very same concluding day, in Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46, saying, “When the son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels … and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

• This is referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
• Christ is coming in final and majestic glory to execute judgment.
• The Lord only encounters two types of people when He returns.
• These are both judged at His appearing.
• One group is portrayed as righteous and is the subject of blessing and reward.
• The other group is portrayed as wicked and is the subject of God’s wrath and punished.
• They are before the exact same throne at the exact same time.
• There is no gap of time in-between the judgment of the righteous and the judgment of the wicked.
• The good receive eternal life.
• The bad obtain eternal punishment.
• There is absolutely no mention of, or allowance made for, a third group.

WPM,

You say the Body of Christ receive rewards whereas those who are sinners go to the Lake of fire and all from the same judgment. And the Lord judges when he comes in great power and great glory -

`for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me......Assuredly, I say to you inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these Mt brethren, you did it to Me.` (Matt. 25: 35 & 36, 40)

So who are the brethren standing by?

And where is the good news that we were told bought us salvation?

 

[WPM]

WPM,

You say the Body of Christ receive rewards whereas those who are sinners go to the Lake of fire and all from the same judgment. And the Lord judges when he comes in great power and great glory -

`for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me......Assuredly, I say to you inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these Mt brethren, you did it to Me.` (Matt. 25: 35 & 36, 40)

So who are the brethren standing by?

And where is the good news that we were told bought us salvation?

The brethren that were in need in life.

The Bible makes clear that we are not saved by good works but it does show that if we are saved you will produce good works. That is what God reveals in and through us when we truly experience Him.

Once again, Good works are not the cause of your salvation, they are the consequence of your salvation. When you come to the Lord, you cannot help, but reveal the character of Jesus Christ. If that is not who you are, then you’re not saved. If your character reflects the devil, then you’re not saved.

 

[Marilyn C]

The brethren that were in need in life.

The Bible makes clear that we are not saved by good works but it does show that if you are saved you will produce good works. That is what God reveals in and through when you truly experience Him.

Once again, Good works are not the cause of your salvation, they are the consequence of your salvation. When you come to the Lord, you cannot help, but reveal the character of Jesus Christ. If that is not who you are, then you’re not saved. If your character reflects the devil, then you’re not saved.

All good thoughts, however, sinners can do those good deeds too.

 

[WPM]

All good thoughts, however, sinners can do those good deeds too.

Of course they can. But they have no heart for the "brethren." Only the redeemed do. Sinners have no general care for the welfare of God's people nor do they serve them. They serve themselves and their own selfish agenda. But Christians do. Jesus said in John 13:35: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

 

[Marilyn C]

Of course they can. But they have no heart for the "brethren." Only the redeemed do. Sinners have no general care for the welfare of God's people nor do they serve them. They serve themselves and their own selfish agenda. But Christians do. Jesus said in John 13:35: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

Sinners can love certain people. And sinners did look after the Jews in WW2.