Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

The `fold` is the kingdom of God and God made different groups to rule in each of His different realms.

You apparently didn't read the passage Jeff showed you very carefully.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

You are claiming that God made different groups to rule in different realms, but this says "there will be ONE flock and one shepherd". You are trying to divide the "ONE flock" that Jesus has brought together (Jew and Gentile believers).

 

[WPM]

Christ is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Is Israel any of that?

We are in Christ. Are we omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent?

 

[WPM]

The `fold` is the kingdom of God and God made different groups to rule in each of His different realms.

Where does it say that? You are making it up as you go. You are adding onto the words of Jesus Christ.

There are no words that exemplify the union Christ made between the old covenant saints and the new covenant believers than what Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Union with Christ is an organic relationship that brings us into a tightly interwoven corporate body. A person cannot be saved except they are in union with Christ. Being in union with Christ brings us into union with God’s people.

We have been grafted into the faithful remnant of believing Israel. We are now one with them. There is no racial distinction any more or apartheid amongst the people of God. God looks at the Church as one flock, one fold and one people.

 

[WPM]

The reason she doesn't engage with any of those points is that she is completely unprepared to address any challenges to her beliefs, which clearly shows that she has been brainwashed by dispensationalist teaching.

Exactly! Duck around the many clear passages of God's Word that expose Dispensationalism, as if they are not in the Bible. Then add on to the detail that is there.

 

[Marilyn C]

To be part of the "Israel in Christ Jesus" one must have faith in Christ Jesus, right? That is contrasted with the nation of Israel that only requires being a physical descendant of Israel. Do you not think that those who have faith in Christ Jesus are the elect? Why do you have an issue with him calling the "Israel in Christ Jesus" the "elect Israeli tree"?

Because Christ is the root and therefore the whole tree. Israel, when they have their eyes opened, will be as branches grafted in as we are.

 

[Marilyn C]

The reason she doesn't engage with any of those points is that she is completely unprepared to address any challenges to her beliefs, which clearly shows that she has been brainwashed by dispensationalist teaching.

Being rude just reveals that you do not have the ability to discuss biblically.

 

[Marilyn C]

How do you interpret this passage...

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

As I said - the Israel that has their eyes opened to the Lord. The Lord will do it, just as He has done for us.

 

[Marilyn C]

Where does it say that? You are making it up as you go. You are adding onto the words of Jesus Christ.

There are no words that exemplify the union Christ made between the old covenant saints and the new covenant believers than what Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Union with Christ is an organic relationship that brings us into a tightly interwoven corporate body. A person cannot be saved except they are in union with Christ. Being in union with Christ brings us into union with God’s people.

We have been grafted into the faithful remnant of believing Israel. We are now one with them. There is no racial distinction any more or apartheid amongst the people of God. God looks at the Church as one flock, one fold and one people.

The Old Testament Saints did not say, "I believe in Christ dying for me." No, they said they believed what God promised them -a city.

`But now they (OT saints) desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

Exactly! Duck around the many clear passages of God's Word that expose Dispensationalism, as if they are not in the Bible. Then add on to the detail that is there.

You also are revealing your lack of being able to discuss biblically and so resort to being rude. Very poor.

 

[WPM]

The Old Testament Saints did not say, "I believe in Christ dying for me." No, they said they believed what God promised them -a city.

`But now they (OT saints) desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

Oh. So, they were not looking to earthly Jerusalem - as Premils do?

The cross was predicted from the Garden and was pointed to in every single animal sacrifice.

 

[WPM]

Because Christ is the root and therefore the whole tree. Israel, when they have their eyes opened, will be as branches grafted in as we are.

The tree is Israel. Hello! You are living in denial. You are avoiding the wording of the sacred text. The tree is Israeli! Romans 11:24 explains, speaking about natural Israel: “these, which be the natural branches” can “be graffed into their own olive tree.” The key phrases in Paul’s comments are “natural branches” and “their own olive tree.” This is clearly an Israeli tree that held Israeli citizens. If the “natural branches” represent Israel, then the “olive tree” must also represent Israel.

We all know that the natural branches of any tree are obviously synonymous with the natural tree itself. For example: an oak tree is not going to have Birch branches. Oak trees have oak branches. Birch trees have Birch branches. The natural branches of an olive tree can only be olive branches. Scripture depicts the good olive tree as an Israeli tree. Again, speaking about Israelites, he talks about “the natural branches” being “graffed into their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24).

 

[WPM]

You also are revealing your lack of being able to discuss biblically and so resort to being rude. Very poor.

I am not being rude. I am describing how you deal with counter-arguments. You fail to address one single argument. You know it is true. The reader can see it is true. You just repeat what you have been taught. You are bound to a school of thought, not Scripture.

 

[jeffweeder]

Because Christ is the root and therefore the whole tree. Israel, when they have their eyes opened, will be as branches grafted in as we are.

Israeli's like Peter, Paul, John etc, were grafted in in the 1st century. They are now known as part of the Body of Christ

 

[Marilyn C]

Oh. So, they were not looking to earthly Jerusalem - as Premils do?

The cross was predicted from the Garden and was pointed to in every single animal sacrifice.

That`s right, OT saints are not looking to earth but to the city, the New Jerusalem in the Universal heavens.

And I`m a premil. and certainly not looking for an earthly inheritance but for the very throne of the Lord in the third heaven.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne..` (Rev. 3: 21)

 

[Marilyn C]

The tree is Israel. Hello! You are living in denial. You are avoiding the wording of the sacred text. The tree is Israeli! Romans 11:24 explains, speaking about natural Israel: “these, which be the natural branches” can “be graffed into their own olive tree.” The key phrases in Paul’s comments are “natural branches” and “their own olive tree.” This is clearly an Israeli tree that held Israeli citizens. If the “natural branches” represent Israel, then the “olive tree” must also represent Israel.

We all know that the natural branches of any tree are obviously synonymous with the natural tree itself. For example: an oak tree is not going to have Birch branches. Oak trees have oak branches. Birch trees have Birch branches. The natural branches of an olive tree can only be olive branches. Scripture depicts the good olive tree as an Israeli tree. Again, speaking about Israelites, he talks about “the natural branches” being “graffed into their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24).

The KEY is Christ the ROOT. And again in Rev. 22: 16, "I am the ROOT...`

Israel`s olive tree is Christ the ROOT making the very nation of Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

I am not being rude. I am describing how you deal with counter-arguments. You fail to address one single argument. You know it is true. The reader can see it is true. You just repeat what you have been taught. You are bound to a school of thought, not Scripture.

It seems you don`t read my posts. Try again.

 

[Marilyn C]

Israeli's like Peter, Paul, John etc, were grafted in in the 1st century. They are now known as part of the Body of Christ

So why do the disciples ask Jesus about restoring Israel`s rulership? (Acts 1; 6) And why does Peter try to get the gentiles to act like Jews? (Gal. 2: 14)

 

[jeffweeder]

So why do the disciples ask Jesus about restoring Israel`s rulership?

The disciples understood better on the day of Pentecost, It was more than political.

And why does Peter try to get the gentiles to act like Jews? (Gal. 2: 14)

Act like which Jews?

13 The rest of the Jews joined him in this hypocrisy [ignoring their knowledge that Jewish and Gentile Christians were united, under the new covenant, into one faith], with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not being straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas (Peter) in front of everyone, “If you, being a Jew, live [as you have been living] like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how is it that you are [now virtually] forcing the Gentiles to live like Jews [if they want to eat with you]?”

 

[WPM]

The KEY is Christ the ROOT. And again in Rev. 22: 16, "I am the ROOT...`

Israel`s olive tree is Christ the ROOT making the very nation of Israel.

Oh. So you admit we have been grafted into "Israel`s olive tree." Good!

 

[WPM]

It seems you don`t read my posts. Try again.

Nothing to rebut. Just avoidance and excuses.