Instruction in righteousness
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I’m not sure that “outside the city” means still alive. To me, it could just mean they never get to enter.
I already don’t believe in the hideous doctrine of humans in eternal torture in fire. So I have a problem with eternal torture in darkness.
You are probably right, but I’m not sure.
I know you gave me many verses in the past, but it’s too horrifying for me to accept if I am not certain. And I’m not, because of other verses.
I do admit you are probably right.
You should know that I know what you crave is to emotionally torture.
You should also know it doesn’t work on me. I’m quite indifferent to it.
Zao is life
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At this present time I am walking on the lower plane...yes...otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum, or any forum for that matter. But I am like a spy that has seen the land...and I am testifying of it. I walked in Zion for a few days...and then a few years. Twice I was taken up to walk in the kingdom walk. Twice I was translated to walk like Jesus. But the first time I couldn't take such a self-less walk...no friends, no earthly ties. I wanted OUT. I became lonely in my ego. But the second time (9 years later) I lasted 2 years or so. I was walking in the keeping power of God...lots of daily miracles...a real revival, although not known to the world. It was a training time..a time to understand God's ways. My book is a revue of what I've learned of the high calling in Christ..AND how simple basic righteousness is. We don't have to be spiritual in Christ to INHERIT life. But if we wish to be with Christ NOW, and have freedom from sin, then we need to be crucified to this world and translated INTO the Beloved. Believe me or not...that's OK. It is for those who can be helped by my testimony. If you had the fear of the Lord you would not attack me so. It's not bad for me...but I don't want you to have to suffer on that day for my teaching.
Despite 12 I's and one my ego, I haven't seen anyone attacking you. But everyone has the right to question your theology and mine. Though it does not appear to be the same.
Zao is life
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Epi, he doesn’t like your preferred pronouns. I’m not sure what to do with that. I thought everyone got to choose their preferred pronouns but apparently it’s changed again…
Zao is life
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:)I've never heard stunnedbygrace talking about herself in lengthy discourses blowing her own trumpetEpi, he doesn’t like your preferred pronouns. I’m not sure what to do with that. I thought everyone got to choose their preferred pronouns but apparently it’s changed again…
So I would never notice all the very noticeable I's and me's so easily seen whenever someone does that. Your posts don't demand anyone reading all about you for lines and lines at the top before getting to the point you want to make
Oh, you think I will take that bribe of flattery of me? I will join in with you? Hold your coat maybe? You have no discernment.:)I've never heard stunnedbygrace talking about herself in lengthy discourses blowing her own trumpet
So I would never notice all the very noticeable I's and me's so easily seen whenever someone does that. Your posts don't demand anyone reading all about you for lines and lines at the top before getting to the point you want to make
When I talk about my own experience with God, there are a lot of I and me words. And that’s what he was talking of-his own experience. He was saying, yes, he absolutely does walk here on earth like any other man. He was also saying he has, at some times, walked in the Spirit. It requires a lot of I and me words to talk about ones experience. And you just trashed the mans testimony, trampled all over it like a big ole nasty hog. i havent seen you participate in any of this mans threads but you just so happen to look at the one post where he gives a brief testimony and suddenly you want to participate? Not that I would call that any kind of participation. It’s rather a horrible tearing down. It has nothing to do with building us up. It’s just the stomping around and tearing down of a mean little boy.
This man is telling us he has been there, he has walked in the Spirit. He tells us it’s a good place. He encourages us to run to win even in THIS life and to reach out if maybe any of us might grab the very thing we have been grabbed FOR. That is building up. But you say light is darkness and building up is tearing down. He said there were miracles there. No one even batted an eye or thought to ask about the miracles. I thought to ask. But then I didn’t because I know what you all would do to him then. I wanted to say, tell me the miracles, that’s the God I’ve been looking for, the God that worked miracles through Paul, because no one wonders where the God of Paul is and why He stays so silent. But I didn’t say it because then he might have answered and it would have maybe harmed you if you said it was not through the Holy Spirit but was evil.
Heres a man who says he has actually walked in the Spirit and no one is even curious. Have you ever met a man who has done that? I never have, he’s the only one I’ve ever met. So I looked at scripture to see if the things he said were true and I’ve found he is telling the truth about there being a difference between righteousness a man is capable of and holiness. Holiness, walking in the Spirit and not sinning at all - it’s a PLACE. It’s where God is. And there is no sin there, not a speck. But we have one little taste and insist we’ve had an entire meal and eaten all there is to eat. We say, oh, if God has not yet taken me there then the place does not exist. If it existed, I would have been there already, so that’s why imputed righteousness is necessary. And yet, PAUL walked there sometimes. Handkerchiefs he touched, through the power of God in Him when he walked there, HEALED people. Oh but God doesn’t do that anymore or else we would be doing that too, right?? No one stops to THINK - where is the God of Paul…??
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Think about Gideon. He lived during a time where men would come and take from the sweat of his brow, leaving him not enough to sustain himself or his animals. (Sound familiar?) They would swoop in and steal and leave behind a trampled mess. (Sound familiar?) Then Israel eventually cried out to God about the situation and God sent a prophet to Gideon, who said, I saved Israel from their bondage but they have not listened to Me. THEN, the Angel came to Gideon (yes, THAT Angel) and said, God is with you mighty warrior. But Gideon didn’t seem to believe it. He said, if God is with us, why has all this happened to us where all Is stolen from us leaving not enough to sustain ourselves? Where are all the miracles our ancestors told us about? God has abandoned us.
Then the Angel said, go and save them from these Midianites who steal and tear down and destroy, I have sent you. Gideon says, I have no strength, I’m from a very small family AND I’m the smallest among them, I’m too weak. The Angel says, I’m with you, you will kill them all.
Fast forward a bit - Gideon tore down an idol and altar to Baal and then God gave them victory over those who stole and trampled.
So here is a man, not totally unlike Gideon, who is saying these idols named Doctrine Of Our Fathers need to be tore down because they are false. Keep what is good but get rid of the idols. He is saying what the prophet said to Gideon, God saved us from our bondage but we have not listened to Him and have taught as true doctrine from God what is the teaching of men. And I wish there WERE a way for him to secretly tear them down at night like Gideon but there isn’t, because they’re spiritual idols in the heart from our ancestors. But no one can hear or see. All they can do is rush at this man in wave upon wave and learn nothing from the story of Gideon.
Then the Angel said, go and save them from these Midianites who steal and tear down and destroy, I have sent you. Gideon says, I have no strength, I’m from a very small family AND I’m the smallest among them, I’m too weak. The Angel says, I’m with you, you will kill them all.
Fast forward a bit - Gideon tore down an idol and altar to Baal and then God gave them victory over those who stole and trampled.
So here is a man, not totally unlike Gideon, who is saying these idols named Doctrine Of Our Fathers need to be tore down because they are false. Keep what is good but get rid of the idols. He is saying what the prophet said to Gideon, God saved us from our bondage but we have not listened to Him and have taught as true doctrine from God what is the teaching of men. And I wish there WERE a way for him to secretly tear them down at night like Gideon but there isn’t, because they’re spiritual idols in the heart from our ancestors. But no one can hear or see. All they can do is rush at this man in wave upon wave and learn nothing from the story of Gideon.
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The useless way of life we were taught by our parents is heavy and dripping with narcissism, ego, selfishness. Satan was the first narcissist.
Someone still steeped in that useless way will do this: see true virtue in someone and claim it is the opposite of virtue while wanting others to think of them that THEY are the virtuous one. And to cover up their brothers blood that they spill, they deal in bribes and flatteries to create and feed blind flying monkeys to work for them. That’s the blind leading the blind. Why should you be another mans monkey?
Take no bribes, for a bribe makes you ignore something that you clearly see. A bribe makes even a righteous person twist the truth. You must not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and corrupts the words of the righteous. For the Lord your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords. He is the great God, the mighty and awesome God, who shows no partiality and cannot be bribed. Fear the Lord and judge with integrity, for the Lord our God does not tolerate perverted justice, partiality, or the taking of bribes. For the godless are barren. Their homes, enriched through bribery, will burn. But they were not like their father, for they were greedy. They accepted bribes and perverted justice. Their hands are dirty with evil schemes, and they constantly take bribes. Never accept a bribe, for bribes blind the eyes of the wise and corrupt the decisions of the godly. The one who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person is cursed.’ And all the people will say, ‘Amen!’ Their hands are dirty with evil schemes, and they constantly take bribes. A bribe makes men commend the wicked and speak ill of the innocent.
Someone still steeped in that useless way will do this: see true virtue in someone and claim it is the opposite of virtue while wanting others to think of them that THEY are the virtuous one. And to cover up their brothers blood that they spill, they deal in bribes and flatteries to create and feed blind flying monkeys to work for them. That’s the blind leading the blind. Why should you be another mans monkey?
Take no bribes, for a bribe makes you ignore something that you clearly see. A bribe makes even a righteous person twist the truth. You must not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and corrupts the words of the righteous. For the Lord your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords. He is the great God, the mighty and awesome God, who shows no partiality and cannot be bribed. Fear the Lord and judge with integrity, for the Lord our God does not tolerate perverted justice, partiality, or the taking of bribes. For the godless are barren. Their homes, enriched through bribery, will burn. But they were not like their father, for they were greedy. They accepted bribes and perverted justice. Their hands are dirty with evil schemes, and they constantly take bribes. Never accept a bribe, for bribes blind the eyes of the wise and corrupt the decisions of the godly. The one who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person is cursed.’ And all the people will say, ‘Amen!’ Their hands are dirty with evil schemes, and they constantly take bribes. A bribe makes men commend the wicked and speak ill of the innocent.
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Paul told us to put to death what cannot be put to death I guess.
Here. Examine this man the same way. How many times does he say, I, me, my? Oh, wait, he is dead now so you approve of him and say, oh, if only Paul were here.
11 I hope you will put up with me in a little foolishness. Yes, please put up with me! 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spiritfrom the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[a] 6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine.11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knowsI do!
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitfulworkers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Paul Boasts About His Sufferings
16 I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. 17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. 18 Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up withanyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. 21 To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about. 22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?
30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever,knows that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me.33 But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.
Paul said he was boasting as the world boasts and talks. He called it foolishness, and it was in answer to men speaking about him that he was harmful and should not be listened to and was a false apostle, prophet and teacher.
Epi was also responding to that kind of man, a man with no discernment who does not recognize our Lords body.
Answer a fool according to his folly or he will become wise in his own eyes.
But there is always hope that epi will die because then you would listen to him.
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And to be clear, since I know some think I sound angry and hateful when I’m having discussion, I’m not angry and hate no one in here. But if we can’t start being honest and sincere and leave behind that useless way of life, no one can be helped. How is clinging to and continuing in what coddles the flesh ever going to help us?
I don’t think there is much confusion about how ‘you sound’ -
Answer a fool according to his folly or he will become wise in his own eyes.
But there is always hope that epi will die because then you would listen to him.
It sounds smug and condescending. It sounds like an unhealthy infatuation
Though sometimes we may deceive ourselves, others are not deceived. We can see ourselves through our cognitive bias, how we are so enlightened, so knowledgeable, so this or that, and we become blind to ourselves.
And others pick up on that.
Much love!
Here you are again...describing the very thing you do.
Throwing your ego into the mix...
An ego scorned...looks for retribution. The last thing that can happen is a constructive dialogue.maybe if you give them your autograph they’ll stop following you.
I noticed that when she called you a prophet, you didn't correct her.
You liked it.
Are you a prophet of God, John?
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