Is Hell a place of torment?

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[Keiw]

Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

Those not accepting all of what the Lord says in His Word are easily deceived by satan's chicanery and subterfuge

It was symbolism Jesus was speaking. He was clear about those who walk the broad and spacious path= to destruction.
Gods justice scales= perfect balance=an eye for an eye-- There is no balance in eternal suffering being literal, it looks like this= For 70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life-- God could not punish one with trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of suffering, that = an eye for a gazillion eyes-thus not Gods true justice scales. Plus God is love, merciful, kind, only a demented sadist could create a literal eternal suffering.
The symbolism = As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each new day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends, likened to be an eternal suffering.
The lake of fire= the second death= eternal destruction.

 

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@ Keiw

Re: The lake of fire= the second death= eternal destruction.

I believed in eternal conscious suffering for the better part of my 81+ years
but lately have begun wondering if I haven't been mistaken. For example:

Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew
word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first
appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged
creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies,
and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again
at Gen 9:10 to classify all the fauna aboard Noah's ark.

* God has a soul too. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer
32:41, Zech 11:8)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g.
Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4. All in all, soul is
just another way of referring to that part of conscious life that we call "self"

Well; the thing is: the human body can be terminated by most any means,
but the soul can only be terminated by the hand of God.

● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in
hell.

It seems clear to me that the rich man's soul was intact and fully functioning
in Luke 16:19-31 so I think we can be reasonably confident he was not yet
in the hell spoken of by Matt 10:28. In point of fact the hell set up for
destroying souls is translated from an entirely different Greek word than the
rich man's hell.

To my knowledge there are only two varieties of hell listed in the Bible-- the
one is a furnace and the other a liquid; so then, I think we can be reasonably
confident that the hell set up for destroying souls is the lake of fire depicted
by Rev 20:11-15.

The soul is what lends folks their consciousness, their self awareness, and
their individuality. So: if people's souls undergo destruction in the lake of
fire, then I think it just might be that the folks who come out on the wrong
side of Rev 20:11-15 will end up as vegetables which, though not an ideal
existence, is certainly better than bobbing around out there in the lake with
perpetual conscious suffering.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

It was symbolism Jesus was speaking. He was clear about those who walk the broad and spacious path= to destruction.
Gods justice scales= perfect balance=an eye for an eye-- There is no balance in eternal suffering being literal, it looks like this= For 70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life-- God could not punish one with trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of suffering, that = an eye for a gazillion eyes-thus not Gods true justice scales. Plus God is love, merciful, kind, only a demented sadist could create a literal eternal suffering.
The symbolism = As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each new day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends, likened to be an eternal suffering.
The lake of fire= the second death= eternal destruction.

Jesus said hell was real and was a place of eternal torment.

Feel free to claim Jesus is a liar all you want and walk in the darkened wisdom of man

It's no problem for me at'all since I won't be in hell