Is Hell a place of torment?

[shepherdsword]

1. God wrote this command, 'Do not kill'.

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

The Hebrew word kill - raw-tsakh'
A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).


2. God spoke this command to Joshua, kill all the inhabitants of Jericho, men, women and children. And he obeyed God.

Jos 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

In Joshua's case....

What God wrote with His very finger was not to be obeyed. Do not dash in pieces or kill a human being.

What God spoke was to be obeyed. Kill, cut to pieces with the sword.

Two different contexts. Ex 20:13 concerns murder. It is unrelated to killing an enemy in war.

The Commandment in Exodus 20:13 (“You shall not murder”)​

• Hebrew word: רָצַח (ratsach)
• Meaning: To murder or kill unlawfully — the deliberate taking of innocent human life out of hatred, vengeance, or selfish gain.
• This term is never used in the Old Testament for lawful executions, accidental deaths, or deaths in battle.
• The Sixth Commandment prohibits:
  • Premeditated murder
  • Manslaughter caused by negligence (see Num 35:16–24)
  • Blood feuds/personal vengeance

 

[Keiw]

Reader,

Hell was created for the Devil and His (fallen) Angels.

Now, after Adam fell..........he became "adamic".....and this means that he became the sin nature, that is the nature of Satan.

"Sin" is The Devil's Nature.....and when Adam obeyed Satan and disobyed God, ... than in came sin..into Adam, and into the entire human race.

By one man's sin, (Adam's) sin entered into all of humanity., and that is why we are all sinners., until we are born again as a "new creation". "In Christ"./

Now here is the spiritual application of the sin nature......and that is, the Father of the sin nature is Satan, and sinners, never born again, are the spiritual children of The Devil.
This is why Jesus said........"you are of YOUR FATHER, the Devil.. and the LUSTS of your FATHER... you shall DO".
So, that is everyone of us, who use to LOVE SIN......becasue we were OF the SIN NATURE = a spiritual Child of The Devil.

Now, Jesus tells us that we must be "born again"........and why is that?
Why must you be BORN.... again.......spiritually?
Its because when you are born again Spiritually, you are born of ANOTHER Spirituial FATHER.
See that?
The Born again, are become the Children of GOD.........because God has Birthed them, Spiritually.......and now He is become their Eternal Spiritual FATHER.

Whereas.....if you are never born again... Spiritually....then you remain a child of your father, the devil, and that means that HELL that was originally created for Him, is your eternal destination.
And Reader, water baptism is not how you are born again.

Now listen...., if you want to be SAVED from That eternal destination, and have eternal peace with God and go to Heaven instead, then God has to become your Spiritual Father, before you die.

"You must be born again"........before you die, as you can't be born again in Hell.

And that happens, we are born again by God's Holy Spirit.... when we give God our Faith in Christ........and God then spiritually birth's us, by the Holy Spirit, as HIS OWN...for eternlty

Reader, If this never happens to you, then you will go to Hell when you die.
And i will tell you again....Water Baptism is not how you are born again.

A.) "ALL who call on the name of Jesus, by faith, shall be SAVED".

= All who come to Jesus, believing in Him for forgiveness of your sin, shall be SAVED.

Dont wait.

Then why wont these be saved even though they call on Jesus and believe on his sacrifice?-Matt 7:21-23

 

[Keiw]

You don't believe in Hell? You will.

Satan LOVES the JW doctrines! He wants your company FOREVER!

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Sad you don't know God.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Hell was created for the Devil and His (fallen) Angels.

Now, after Adam fell..........he became "adamic".....and this means that he became the sin nature, that is the nature of Satan.

how is it that people come up with such wild ideas ? this place called hell is nothing more that the grave ,the place where it is the living put the dead.

 

[Behold]

Then why wont these be saved even though they call on Jesus and believe on his sacrifice?

Why can't you be saved in Hell........?

Very simple reason.
Let me show you.

A.) God's Salvation.....requires that you give God your FAITH, in Christ.

Read this next verse CAREFULLY..

Hebrews 11 : "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN"

Notice that the verse said that Faith......and this is Faith in Christ.....is based on : something = "NOT SEEN".

What does that mean? It means that you have to BELIEVE in JESUS even tho you can't SEE HIM.
We believe in Jesus, yet we have never SEEN HIM.........= "the evidende of things NOT SEEN" = Faith.

So, when you are in Hell......you will KNOW IT.......because you will SEE it.....as you are in it.
That means that you will then realize in eternity that JESUS is real......and not by FAITH, but because you see yourself in Hell, and that is PROOF that Jesus, and God, and Heaven, and Angles, and The Bible, is ALL TRUE.

See that?
So, that is not FAITH..in Christ........that is......"now i see it so i know its true,"...and God wont accept that...as God requires that you BELIEVE in what you cant' SEE., as that is REAL FAITH. And that is why you have to be born again on Earth... you have to be Saved on Earth, when you can't SEE Jesus... or Hell.

In Hell, you will SEE that its all true.....and everyone there now believes in Jesus, but that is not FAITH.
That is SEEING IS BELIEVING, and God wont accept that, in eternity., and that is why you can't be born again in Hell.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Why can't you be saved in Hell........?

the hope thats had for the dead is that they will be saved from hell in the resurrection of the dead.

 

[Keiw]

Why can't you be saved in Hell........?

Very simple reason.
Let me show you.

A.) God's Salvation.....requires that you give God your FAITH, in Christ.

Read this next verse CAREFULLY..

Hebrews 11 : "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN"

Notice that the verse said that Faith......and this is Faith in Christ.....is based on : something = "NOT SEEN".

What does that mean? It means that you have to BELIEVE in JESUS even tho you can't SEE HIM.
We believe in Jesus, yet we have never SEEN HIM.........= "the evidende of things NOT SEEN" = Faith.

So, when you are in Hell......you will KNOW IT.......because you will SEE it.....as you are in it.
That means that you will then realize in eternity that JESUS is real......and not by FAITH, but because you see yourself in Hell, and that is PROOF that Jesus, and God, and Heaven, and Angles, and The Bible, is ALL TRUE.

See that?
So, that is not FAITH..in Christ........that is......"now i see it so i know its true,"...and God wont accept that...as God requires that you BELIEVE in what you cant' SEE., as that is REAL FAITH. And that is why you have to be born again on Earth... you have to be Saved on Earth, when you can't SEE Jesus... or Hell.

In Hell, you will SEE that its all true.....and everyone there now believes in Jesus, but that is not FAITH.
That is SEEING IS BELIEVING, and God wont accept that, in eternity., and that is why you can't be born again in Hell.

Those at Matt 7:21-23 believe very strongly enough to do powerful works in Jesus name and the such--(( Believing = learning, applying, obeying. See they didn't obey-they worked iniquity= practiced a sin.

 

[Jack]

that's because everybody goes to hell when they die.

So you're going to Hell? You have my sympathy!

 

[Jack]

you may of noticed Sodom never came back .a place that was destroyed forever . the only way to find fire there is if ya take it with you.

Sodom maybe, not the Sodomites!

 

[Jack]

its known that Satan is willing to lie,even to you.

Of course. Satan would love for me to swallow JW doctrine!

 

[Jack]

Sad you don't know God.

Jesus is my God! Even the JW Bible says Jesus is God!

 

[Berean]

So you're going to Hell? You have my sympathy!

Hell is the grave.

 

[Berean]

Jesus' instructions to his twelve apostles as he sends them out to preach and perform miracles. He warns them that some towns will reject their message, and their rejection will be a more serious offense than the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed by God. Sodom and Gomorrah is not coming back

“When I bring back their captives, the captives of Sodom and her daughters, and the captives of Samaria and her daughters, then I will also bring back the captives of your captivity among them." - Ezekiel 16:53

 

[Jack]

Hell is the grave.

No Bible? Of course not! Those who convince others that there is no eternal Hell fire are gonna pay for eternity, in Hell.

 

[Behold]

the hope thats had for the dead is that they will be saved from hell in the resurrection of the dead.

The reason you go to Hell, is for the same reason you'll never get out, and will proceed into the Lake of Fire.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

The reason you go to Hell, is for the same reason you'll never get out, and will proceed into the Lake of Fire.

the reason dead bodies get buried is , the dead putrefy, they stink, in time the Body is destroyed consumed by the earth. the living know this the dead know nothing .they have no torment . the ones that have torment are the living in that they know they don't want to go to the grave/hell . like it or not hell and the grave is the same place .

 

[Behold]

the reason dead bodies get buried is ,

The reason the "dead get buried" is...

Its Because Adam's fall in the Garden of Eden, ....=This is the fall of the entire human race.
Adam's Fall is the fall of us all.
@locust , This is why you like to pursue carnality, and then have to confess it again.
Its why sin exists., = Adam's Fall.

None of us can escape it, of ourselves.

And there are some "end results" regarding Adam forfeiting God's plan, so that He could execute the devil's temptation as Adam's Fall.
And one of the worst end results, is that the perfect body that God originally created for the entire Human Race, now DIES.
So, this is the reason the "dead get buried",

You've obviously been mislead by the teaching of a Cult, to believe as some cult's teach......that "the grave is the end".
So, you've identified yourself as a Jehovah's Witness, as this is the main cult that believes that the grave is the end of a human being.
But its not the end of a human.. @locust .......its just the end of the body of the Human that contains their spirit that is now released from their dead body, and is going to meet God.

Listen carefully..., prior to the death of the body that releases the spirit into eternity, there was an eternal choice given to you and to all of us by The Cross of Christ, and that choice is..

1.) Does a person want to meet God as their Heavenly Father ?

or

2.) Does a person want to meet God as their eternal Judge. ?

CHOOSE carefully.

@locust , every person has to make this choice before they die if they want to meet God as their Heavenly Father, because if they never make the choice to trust in Christ so that their sin is forgiven, then they will "die in their sins", Jesus said, and they will meet God as their Eternal Judge,... John 3:36.... and Hell is the only destination available for this UNBELIEVER.... immediately after their spirit has departed their dead body.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

The reason the "dead get buried" is...

Its Because Adam's fall in the Garden of Eden, ....=This is the fall of the entire human race.
Adam's Fall is the fall of us all.
@locust , This is why you like to pursue carnality, and then have to confess it again.
Its why sin exists., = Adam's Fall.

None of us can escape it, of ourselves.

And there are some "end results" regarding Adam forfeiting God's plan, so that He could execute the devil's temptation as Adam's Fall.
And one of the worst end results, is that the perfect body that God originally created for the entire Human Race, now DIES.
So, this is the reason the "dead get buried",

You've obviously been mislead by the teaching of a Cult, to believe as some cult's teach......that "the grave is the end".
But its not the end of a human.......its just the end of the body of the Human that contains their spirit that is now released from their dead body, and is going to meet God.
See, prior to the death of the body that releases the spirit into eternity, there was an eternal choice given to you and to all of US by The Cross of Christ, and that choice is..

1.) Does a person want to meet God as their Father ?

or

2.) Does a person want to meet God as their eternal Judge. ?

CHOOSE carefully.

@locust , every person has to make this choice before they die if they want to meet God as their Heavenly Father, because if they never make the choice to trust in Christ so that their sin is forgiven, then they will "die in their sins", Jesus said, and they will meet God as their Eternal Judge,... John 3:36.... and Hell is the only destination available for this UNBELIEVER.... immediately after their spirit has departed their dead body.

did you read the Bible or did someone just paraphrase it for you ?
it was the judgment from God for death is why Adam died. had he not sin'ed there would of been no judgment carried out.

 

[Taken]

that's because everybody goes to hell when they die.

No they do not.

 

[Berean]

No Bible? Of course not! Those who convince others that there is no eternal Hell fire are gonna pay for eternity, in Hell.

I guess ... we'll see, eh?