Just to be clear, do you mean a round-trip ticket, or a one-way ticket? - LOL
If hell was real, it would take less than ten seconds to get the message.
Therefore, an eternity would be the most sadistic thing imaginable.
Is that what God is about?
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Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?
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If hell was real, it would take less than ten seconds to get the message.
Therefore, an eternity would be the most sadistic thing imaginable.
Is that what God is about?
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Brakelite
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Mmm. The medieval church thought it a good thing to help people on the way by starting the process. Jack would have been right at home with them.
So you agree that God drowned all on Earth but 8, burned Sodom alive ("Making them an example") and sent lions to kill those who didn't fear Him? How does burning people in Hell "forever" as the Bible clearly says destroy God's character? lol
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Is Jesus real? Yep and so is the EVERLASTING Hell fire that Jesus WARNED you! Jesus said so. And those who say Jesus is lying are heading there, FOREVER! As are those leading gays to Hell fire!
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Brakelite
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Seriously? You can't see that? And you belueve that's amusing? You are confirming even more my earlier assessment.... you don't know God. At least not as well as you ought.
What would you like to know about the Bible? The FEAR of God, one of the main doctrines of the Bible?
Brakelite
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You are doubling down on your mistaken view of God's character. I will speak in context to fear as you allude to it, not as the Bible expressed the fear of God which is deep respect and love.
Yes, there were some in the past such as those whose tables were being overturned in the temple, and there will be some in the future, crying out to the rocks and mountains to hide them from the face of the Son whose glory they shall not be able to stand before, all of whom were very afraid, but that is not a prime characteristic of God's nature...
“For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. ”
Isaiah 28:21 KJV
“Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? ”
Ezekiel 33:11 KJV
But what you keep doing is extend these judgments beyond what the character of God could tolerate. Burn them forever? Keep them alive for the express purpose of inflicting pain and suffering? Why would He do that? If God had no desire to bring death upon anyone, but was forced to do so because of sin, how much less will He torture people when it isn't necessary? The wages of sin is death. That's it. Death. The price of our redemption was death. Jesus paid that price. He didn't suffer in hell for all eternity. If eternal torment was the wages of sin, then we are not saved.
Lambano
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It's biblical: "Thou shalt not miss the urinal". And the punishment is awfully harsh.
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You will learn the FEAR of God, now or in Hell, but you will learn!You are doubling down on your mistaken view of God's character. I will speak in context to fear as you allude to it, not as the Bible expressed the fear of God which is deep respect and love.
Yes, there were some in the past such as those whose tables were being overturned in the temple, and there will be some in the future, crying out to the rocks and mountains to hide them from the face of the Son whose glory they shall not be able to stand before, all of whom were very afraid, but that is not a prime characteristic of God's nature...
“For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. ”
Isaiah 28:21 KJV
I have no issue against God for destroying Sodom, or for the flood. In doing what He did, God was protecting His own redemption plan for mankind. If He had allowed such wickedness to continue, it would have infected all to such a degree that they would have rejected God's grace and mercy altogether, and the wages of sin, death, would have come upon all. Such judgments were necessary. But it is a necessity that God hates to have to do.
“Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? ”
Ezekiel 33:11 KJV
But what you keep doing is extend these judgments beyond what the character of God could tolerate. Burn them forever? Keep them alive for the express purpose of inflicting pain and suffering? Why would He do that? If God had no desire to bring death upon anyone, but was forced to do so because of sin, how much less will He torture people when it isn't necessary? The wages of sin is death. That's it. Death. The price of our redemption was death. Jesus paid that price. He didn't suffer in hell for all eternity. If eternal torment was the wages of sin, then we are not saved.
Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
You haven't begun yet!
"Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?"
It means that gays are heading for Hell fire with those who defend gays!
It means that gays are heading for Hell fire with those who defend gays!
quietthinker
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'Thank God I'm not like this tax collector'......Luke 18:9-14
Lambano
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Jack, I have to ask this question: Do you love Jesus? Do you want to obey his commands because He's your friend? Because He loved you enough to die for you? Or are you only afraid He'll send you to Hell?
Scriptural references:
John 14:15, the relationship between love and obedience
John 15:13, Jesus laying down His life for his friends
John 15:14-15, being Jesus's friend
John 21:15-17, love as a motivation
1 John 14:17-19, love and fear
Galatians 2:20: Paul laying down his life for Jesus, because Jesus laid down his life for him.
Yes, it's Biblical.
It's the same question Jesus asked Simon Peter: Jack, do you love me?
Scriptural references:
John 14:15, the relationship between love and obedience
John 15:13, Jesus laying down His life for his friends
John 15:14-15, being Jesus's friend
John 21:15-17, love as a motivation
1 John 14:17-19, love and fear
Galatians 2:20: Paul laying down his life for Jesus, because Jesus laid down his life for him.
Yes, it's Biblical.
It's the same question Jesus asked Simon Peter: Jack, do you love me?
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Wick Stick
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So, to build on that other thread... what we should do is look at the logical steps BEFORE the problem to see where we went wrong.
I think the problem starts with most-churches teaching a full-Biblical-harmony. That is, the doctrine that the entire Bible agrees with itself in all points and forms a single coherent whole without contradictions. If that's true, then there is no room for two different authors writing different books of the Bible to teach some things that come into conflict with each other.
In this view, James MUST agree with Paul fully, and if they don't, then the whole Bible is called into question, and I have to study every author and book individually, rather than applying a single broad system across all the books.
to understand the Bible well, you DO have to study every author and book individually. Time to turn off easy-mode.
Leave out "only" and you got it right.
Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
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quietthinker
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Jack, why are you turning away from God's kindness?
'What you have done to the least, you have done it to me'.....Jesus.
Our attitude determines our words and behaviour.
How is quoting God Who drowned all but 8 on Earth including children, and burning Sodom alive including children, "Making them an example", "turning away from God's kindness?"
Are you warning people about Jesus' doctrine of the EVERLASTING Hell fire?
quietthinker
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Your emphasis is misplaced thus creating a distortion of the Gospel.....one which appears, you prefer.
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