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Is it OK to blaspheme the Trinity?

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  1. ByGraceThroughFaith

    ByGraceThroughFaith Well-Known Member

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    read your Bible more, and then you will understand!
     
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    The Bible does explain why God is gracious to you, but you aren't gracious to others. It means you need to be converted.
     
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    says a FOOL!
     
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    Brakelite Well-Known Member

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    Lol. You're really having trouble with my question eh. You testify to the grace of God... Yet deny it to others. And you can't explain that disharmony. You thought to refer me to scripture for an answer. Okay.
    KJV Luke 18:9-14
    9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
    10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
    11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
    12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
    13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
    14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
     
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    what "christian" are you?
     
  6. Brakelite

    Brakelite Well-Known Member

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    There's more than one?
     
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    ByGraceThroughFaith Well-Known Member

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    indeed! there are the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Oneness Pentecostals, and even some Atheists, who call themselves "christian". So, what are you?
     
  8. Brakelite

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    Being one of the above, or not, a Christian does not make. A Christian is he who has received the power of God through the Spirit of God that he/she might become a child of God. That power enables one to live a sanctified holy life and causes him/her to grow in his relationship with God, each day growing closer through the study of scripture and prayer. If he is to join a denomination, it is because he feels that denominations teachings are closest to his own personal studies of scripture, and feels led of the holy Spirit to join himself to that group where the fellowship, the studies, and the group's goals are directed to the community in the sharing of the good news of the gospel.
    If he is wrong in his individual studies, and is incorrect in his theology and doctrinal beliefs, yet his relationship with the Lord solid and true, then God will correct him and then whisper in his ear... This is the way, walk ye in it.
    That's the kind of Christian I am.
     
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    Backlit: I do agree with your post, although only to a degree, as I've voiced my opinion before on this similar subject. And I'm not at all unhappy or even frustrated that you differ in belief on these key points I will entertain, again, as I've said before.

    I do know where are coming from, I just do not agree. My years of study and observations, and in the Spirit many times with my head in scripture has produced these beliefs and they are firm. Only the Spirit can guide me into another direction, and your direction is different although not that drastic as some others, that it affects both of our hopes of realizing our true salvation in another body with Christ.

    To the points then:
    1. There are actually two key personalities in scripture that affects mankind, besides the 1st Adam, for our salvation; a. YHWH (the true single and one God) and b., his Son, Yahshua or Jesus. The Holy Spirit is NOT an individual person apart from YHWH, it is the intrinsic form and communicative power of YHWH as extended into this world, that is in all creation beings and things. And therefore it can be termed as personal, with a male pronoun as 'he.' It is the essential part of the one true God we call YHWH.

    2. Jesus was actually created around 2 BC and never exists in any spiritual or material form until that time - as the 2nd Adam. However, YHWH purposed his creation, and mission, as his Son, before creation. He was in the mind of YHWH. I do not believe in the pagan invention of 'hypostatic union' or any 'incarnation' whereby Christ became a godman and not a truly begotten or born male child as begotten really means from the Greek. And thus Jesus was NOT divine, in any way shape or form.

    3. Criticizing the Trinity as I have just done, and done before, and will continue to do so, although not frantically of course, is most definitely a holy affair and on Holy ground, as you said. And I do have both feet there to defend the nature of YHWH as his word reveals. The Trinity is a MAJOR block to many NOT being save today IMO.

    Do Trinitarians know who they really worship and pray to? Is it to the Father God via the Spirit of his Son, or is it to a non-descript 3-headed God of pagan origin? If they say the former, then ditch the 3-headed monster, it does not exist. The Father is the ONLY true God and the ONLY divine Holy Spirit, and his Son, 100% human where the Father lived/lives within him, who was given immortality ONLY when he was resurrected from the dead by his Father, YHWH. They are NOT equal beings and never shall be, no matter how hard one tries to force it in, as scriptural doctrine.

    And then is added/edited/even deleted scripture itself over the centuries, and with an avalanche of other incredible support such as: Jesus was the word (logos-never means a person), and Jesus now created the Universe and the world, and Jesus rid himself of his divinity (if one can describe this as if they know what they speaking about) somehow, somewhere and then somehow, somewhere installed it back into himself like spiritual surgery or a computer program installation before entering heaven.

    And the lies keep on coming, as twisted, forced interpretations of scripture, to conform to a Trinity that is incomprehensible and deceitful. Worshipers of a Trinity do not worship God the Father as YHWH only as they cannot deny. They lack faith of what YHWH can do and how he planned to save us from the acts of the 1st Adam, another 100 percent man, created by YHWH.

    Clear I hope,

    Bless you,

    APAK
     
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    You are so VERY WRONG
     
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    More heretical nonsense
     
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    And as you looked into your mirror and saw your true self, as you said these self-incriminating words, you are very smug with yourself. Never to change your self-righteous views as you have the disease that imprisons you, in the chains of the Trinity. Sad indeed.
     
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    No Holy Trinity equals no Christian. Period.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Well this is obvious...I said I don't dare judge anyone....
    And this is what MY Bible says..:):)
    Jesus said:
    Matthew 7 (KJV)
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    ¹ Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    ² For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
    ³ And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    ⁴ Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    ⁵ Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
     
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    Is it a judgement to judge someone as judgemental?

    How is calling someone judgemental not a judgement in itself?
     
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    Great question. Putting aside the difference between judgment and judgmental, the question of judging is one of the most misunderstood in all Christendom. Verse 2 makes is clear in modern English, the prohibition is against one of the only sins Jesus condemned, which is hypocrisy.

    Scripture does not prohibit judging. Such a take is modern people misunderstanding an obsolete Middle English translation. Jesus is saying that you will be called out as a hypocrite if you expect to be judged by a different set of standards than you judge others.

    Getting back to differentiating between judgment and judgmental; of course we have to judge all day long, every day, such as are you driving too much to the left or right, too fast or too slow. In other words, you have to judge yourself constantly. Regarding judging others, there are 4 Scripturally supported authorities and unless the person you are judging is under your authority, you are being judgmental. The 4 authorities on Earth according to Scripture are:
    1. Parents
    2. Husband
    3. Master (boss)
    4. Civil authorities
    If you are judgmental, you are wasting your time. I don't believe it brings glory to God to waste the precious gift of life we experience through time.

    Jesus: If you judge other people, then you will find that you, too, are being judged. 2 Indeed, you will be judged by the very standards to which you hold other people.
    Matthew 7:1-2 (VOICE)
     
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    You are misusing the Bible!
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    It's Jesus who spoke...I can't see how this is misuse...you have to clarify your statement. Without clarification you are simply stating an opinion that is held by you. Back it up...prove me wrong...I don't mind seeing the truth.
    The Truth sets me free. Amen?
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I would take that up with God. It's His Word.
     
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    Oh and if you noticed I didn't judge anyone. I simply stated what I would or wouldn't do.
     
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