Is it possible to lose salvation?

[LoveYeshua]

Yes, God's Eternal Salvation ( Deliverance from Undiluted Wrath ) Is Conditional On God's
( Jesus Christ's ) Finished Sacrificial Work Giving His ALL-Sufficient BLOOD!

There are, In Biblical Fact, Three Tenses Of God's Salvation ( Deliverances )! Because of Undiluted Grace!

God Will Never forfeit His Own OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!!

Amen.

Hi GA,

I just want you to know I noticed in your post, the one i replied to with the links that almost all if not all bible verses are from Paul, I know Christ did say quite a lot of things that are for us all, then why do you almost exclusively quote Paul and almost Never Christ? just curious.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The unavoidable implication of what you've written here is that you, the "saved" person, is a co-Savior with Jesus. But this is impossible. You would have to be as Christ is, perfect and infinite, in order to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him as a co-Savior. But you have to be saved by Jesus precisely because you aren't perfect or infinite and cannot, therefore, save yourself (Ro. 5:6-10; Tit. 3:3-5; Eph. 2:1-3). In fact, elevating yourself to position of co-Savior with Jesus is a kind of blasphemy, requiring that Jesus be diminished in the efficacy of his atoning work on the cross, and that you be enlarged in your ability to contribute to what only Jesus could do as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1:29).

When, then, you take up the responsibility (and the power) to keep yourself saved, you deny both the completeness and power of Christ's salvific work at Calvary. To think you must exert yourself to retain his salvation of you is to necessarily indicate that his saving work was insufficient, it was incomplete, and so, cannot keep you saved. In order for it to be complete, to be fully efficacious, you must add your own "faith, obedience, and perseverance" to Christ's atonement on the cross. But nowhere does Scripture ever indicate this but, instead, confirms again and again, that Christ's atonement on the cross was perfect, once for all, entirely satisfying God's holy justice and needing no further contribution from us (He. 7-10:22; Ro. 5; 1 Pe. 1:1-8).


All of these passages were issued to Jews under the Old Covenant and thus according to the standards and means therein. For example, nowhere in the entire Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7 does Jesus ever speak of his atoning, reconciling, justifying work at Calvary, the indwelling and empowering Holy Spirit, or direct, personal adoption into God's family. He just sets out an impossible standard for the Old Covenant Jews, one they already knew they could never achieve, preparing them for the "new and living way" he would accomplish through himself at the cross. So its a non-starter to use the passages you have above as grounds for your works-salvation error. This is particularly evident in light of what Jesus said to the Twelve (or eleven, actually) in John 15:4-5. Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ (Ro. 8:9), no one can do anything - certainly not fulfill Matthew 5:48, which is the standard God has set out for all who would be His own.

I haven't time right now to deal with the rest of your post, but it suffers from similar issues of interpretation.

show me where Christ is expecting absolute perfection, you wont find this, if God gave us the ten commandments , the covenant also refereed as the Moral law it is because we can and should put them in application, do you expect a newborn child to be able to walk or play the piano at birth? do you think God does not know there is a learning curve to all this?

if you look at the commandments they are not a burden but they serve as a compass for us to know what is right and wrong, as simple as that. As well, Jesus did explain these commandments and how NOT to follo them like the pharisees but how to follow them properly, through Love, patience and commitment.

When we grow in the faith and get closer to God, it changes and transforms you gradually. Jesus did promise to send the Holy spirit to those who love him and believe in him.

I will wait for you to "" deal ""with my post in full before I continue and revise your personal interpretations.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Hi GA,

I just want you to know I noticed in your post, the one i replied to with the links that almost all if not all bible verses are from Paul, I know Christ did say quite a lot of things that are for us all, then why do you almost exclusively quote Paul and almost Never Christ? just curious.

Thanks - great question; I believe the wholesome words of Paul Came From His and my Saviour, Jesus Christ!:

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, even The​

Words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"​

(1 Timothy 6:3 AV)​

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Amen.

 

[marks]

Exactly. But the eternal security crowd claims Judas was never saved to begin with.

They have to say that to protect their false teaching about salvation cannot be lost.

If they were honest about Judas, then they would have to admit that salvation can actually be lost and they just can't do that due to their pride. And so they hang on to their false doctrine so they don't look bad to others.

Do you then believe that Judas and the other disciples, including the 70 disciples that were also sent out working miracles, were all these regenerated prior to Jesus' death and resurrection in your view?

Much love!

 

[marks]

if you look at the commandments they are not a burden but they serve as a compass for us to know what is right and wrong, as simple as that.

No, I disagree.

This is what Paul writes concerning the Law of Moses:

2 Corinthians 3:5-11 KJV
5) Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10) For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11) For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The letter kills. The Law is a ministration of death, and a ministration of condemnation. It has no glory in comparison to the Spirit.

If you think to keep the Law, what it will give you is death and condemnation, and will rob you of the glory of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit gives life. So the question is . . . Are you going to attempt to follow the Law, or will you follow the Holy Spirit?

Much love!

 

[bro.tan]

1. No one is saying we do not have to live in sin
2. John said those born of God can not live in sin
3. do me a favor. read these passages that show the gospel from Paul and Jesus and tell me where works fall in place in getting saved. You keep posting descriptive passages. resolve your works based passages trying to make them required to be saved, and not the result of salvation. and these words of Jesus and Paul which teach otherwise


John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

All those verses are good, but there are things Jesus for the creation and there are things you have to do to get in the kingdom of God, period! Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?

People we must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous and the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Sometimes as a Christian you don’t have to say a word, people will see your works.