Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

Do not let anyone convince you that it's wrong to keep God's commandments.

No one said it is wrong

But if your obeying to receive eternal life. Well then moses gave you the requirement

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

in other words. breaking one command would make you guilty, and you would be under the curse of the law

Paul reemphasized this in his letter to the Galatian church

Galatians 3: 10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

and if we still question this as fact. James emphasizes that if we even slip up and break one command by accident (stumble) we are guilty of all

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

so it is not wrong to keep the commands, It is better for us if we do.. but trying to keep them to receive eternal life. well we have already failed.. So we better reach out for Gods grace and mercy

Don't let anyone deprive you of the opportunity to receive eternal life.

Amen,

But don't let anyone try to receive eternal life by keeping the law. because they have already failed to have the oportunity to recieve it by our obedience. becausde all have sinned and fall short.

We were deprived of this opportunity once, but the death of Jesus has given us another chance. All have sinned (broken the law...Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins.

No he removed all of our sins.

if he just removed out past sins. we better never sin again, because if we do. we are doomed. Or Christ has to return.. You can not pay for your sins.. Only Christ could

If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

Getting water baptized will nto help you.

yes you better repent, and like the tax collector call out. If you do this God will baptize you into Christ.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law.

No it means to turn from unbelief to belief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already - Jesus John 3

The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus, it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments.

it would not matter if you willingly broke one, or stumbled and broke on on accident, It makes you guilty of the law and cursed.. Jesus better make a return trip

If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.

If we STUMBLE (- ptaisei - to stumble or trip to make a mistake) in one point we are guilty of all - James - James 2: 10

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God shed the blood of 2 animals, and put those skins on them both.
So, that was their temporary pardon., but not their eternal redemption, as this is only Achieved when Jesus dies on The Cross.

They had to wait.

thank you. You just proved my point that they were or are in the body of Christ

 

[Behold]

thank you. You just proved my point that they were or are in the body of Christ

The Body of Christ begins with THe Cross of Christ.


So.....IN the OT.......there was a Priest, whom, every year, would offer a large animal Sacrifice for the Jews.
He had to do it every year, because it was only temporary.
Also, you had the sacrifice of smaller animals, for various individual sins, of Jews.

So, that is the old covenant....

Whereas Jesus is the Author of the New Covenant........That Is between God and Himself....

Notice.


"""""But now hath JESUS obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."""

The reason the 1st Covenant was replaced, is because it was a temporary, and could not eternally deal with sins.

Whereas Now.... God has created through the Shed Blood and Death of Chrsit.... = the BLOOD Atonement, that is the New Testament, regarding God's new Covenant that is between God and what Jesus has accomplished on The Cross.

Here it is..

"Jesus is the ONE TIME..........ETERNAL....... Sacrifice for sins"..


See that? Whereas in the OT, there was no eternal blood sacrifice for anyone. It was only and aways temporary.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Thank you for taking the time to explain your reasoning. This is a lot to take in since believing Paul was from God since decades past.
I will save your post and have to do much praying on all of this.

One question comes to mind, why would Paul suffer persecution (as told in Acts and other places) if he were false teacher?


Thank you for your feedback, I have much to mull over in my mind and heart, thank you.

thank you for considering, Myself I have been looking at the differences for many many years and I could never reconcile some ( But not all) of What Paul said with the words spoken by our Lord and God, Jesus Christ. I think it is important, that in case there is a discrepancy between Paul and Christ, Christ words should always prevail, Christ received from God his Father, full authority on Heaven and Earth and it counts for something!

I realize some have forgotten the Words of Christ and I have posted this morning a quick thread about Christ and his Gospel, solely based on scripture without interpretation, In the case of Christ if it easy, everything he said was clear.
in case you would be interested;

The Mission of Jesus and the Path to Eternal Life: The Fulfillment of God’s Covenant

God, the Father in heaven, sent His Son Jesus to the world to fulfill His plan of salvation. Long before Jesus came, the prophets spoke of Him. Isaiah said that a virgin would give birth to a Son, and He would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14). Micah said the Messiah...

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Blessings.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

As it is written, our salvation is kept in heaven, reserved us. You cannot lose what is not inyour possession. Also Jesus said, I give them eternal ife and they shall never perish.

Youare exegeting the verses you use wrongly. Many of the verses folk like you use are actually verses about people who were never saved, though they appeared for a while they were.

 

[Kokyu]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

??? What Jesus said was that few find the narrow gate and way, not that few remain on it. And Jesus said nothing in Matthew 7:13-14 about "staying faithful" and that only those who do "enter the Kingdom of Heaven." These are your unwarranted additions to what he said in the verses. I point this out because there is no surer, quicker way to go off the rails doctrinally than to make these sorts of additions to the text of Scripture. And as soon as you make your faithfulness and obedience to God the basis for your remaining saved, you make yourself a co-Savior with Jesus. But, there is only one Savior and no other (Acts 4:12; Jn. 14:6; 1 Ti. 2:5-6).

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

No, Christ's parable described three receivers, or hearers, of the "seed" of God's word (i.e. the Gospel) who are not saved by it and one (the last one) who "bears fruit" who is saved. Over the last two millennia, many millions have received (i.e. heard) the "seed" of the Gospel, but they have not been saved as a result. So, merely hearing the Gospel is not enough to be saved. Even receiving the "seed" positively ("with joy") is also not sufficient for salvation, as Christ's parable in Matthew 13:3-8; 18-23 illustrated. No, only when the "seed" takes root in a person and "bears fruit" (Jn. 15:4-5; Ga. 5:22-23) is that person actually saved.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.

No, in John 15:1-6, Jesus is not speaking of one person who was saved but now is not, but of two different kinds of people: the saved (abiding in Christ) and the lost (not abiding in Christ). No man by dint of his own effort can connect himself to the Vine (be saved). Only Jesus saves and only Jesus keeps us saved (Ac. 4:12; Jn. 10:28-29). It isn't that Jesus saves us and then we must work to keep ourselves saved. This is blasphemous works-salvation, that makes the Christian a co-Savior with Jesus.

The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

But Peter isn't speaking of born-again people. Read the whole chapter. It's all about false teachers/prophets, not Christians.

2 Peter 2:17-21
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Verse 17 is clearly not speaking of born-again people. Just consider the end of the verse. And verse 18 makes this even more clear. Peter calls them "servants of corruption," not children of God, not saints of God, not Christians, or brethren. And then, Peter speaks hypothetically ("IF") about these false prophets (vs. 20-21), remarking on how deeply awful it would be IF they escaped the pollutions of the world only to be entangled in them again. Peter does not say, though, that these false prophets actually had escaped those pollutions. So, the passage above is not at all about born-again people and losing one's salvation.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."(James 5:19-20).This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

James 5:14-20
14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months.
18 Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Verse 19 and 20 are, in context, about the Christian man who is sick having church Elders pray over, and anoint, him (vs. 14). James points out that the man's sickness may be related to sin and that, if this is so, the man seeking prayers for healing ought also to confess his sin so that healing may come (vs. 15-16). So, when James wrote in verse 20 of the "sinner" who is saved from death, he meant the man seeking healing in verse 14 who was sick because of his (unconfessed) sin. Those who turn such straying Christians from their error, not only enable physical healing to happen ("save his soul from death") but help that Christian to deal with their sin ("cover a multitude of sins").

I've run out of time to say just now. I hope you'll consider the things I've pointed out above.

 

[LoveYeshua]

??? What Jesus said was that few find the narrow gate and way, not that few remain on it. And Jesus said nothing in Matthew 7:13-14 about "staying faithful" and that only those who do "enter the Kingdom of Heaven." These are your unwarranted additions to what he said in the verses. I point this out because there is no surer, quicker way to go off the rails doctrinally than to make these sorts of additions to the text of Scripture. And as soon as you make your faithfulness and obedience to God the basis for your remaining saved, you make yourself a co-Savior with Jesus. But, there is only one Savior and no other (Acts 4:12; Jn. 14:6; 1 Ti. 2:5-6).



No, Christ's parable described three receivers, or hearers, of the "seed" of God's word (i.e. the Gospel) who are not saved by it and one (the last one) who "bears fruit" who is saved. Over the last two millennia, many millions have received (i.e. heard) the "seed" of the Gospel, but they have not been saved as a result. So, merely hearing the Gospel is not enough to be saved. Even receiving the "seed" positively ("with joy") is also not sufficient for salvation, as Christ's parable in Matthew 13:3-8; 18-23 illustrated. No, only when the "seed" takes root in a person and "bears fruit" (Jn. 15:4-5; Ga. 5:22-23) is that person actually saved.



No, in John 15:1-6, Jesus is not speaking of one person who was saved but now is not, but of two different kinds of people: the saved (abiding in Christ) and the lost (not abiding in Christ). No man by dint of his own effort can connect himself to the Vine (be saved). Only Jesus saves and only Jesus keeps us saved (Ac. 4:12; Jn. 10:28-29). It isn't that Jesus saves us and then we must work to keep ourselves saved. This is blasphemous works-salvation, that makes the Christian a co-Savior with Jesus.



But Peter isn't speaking of born-again people. Read the whole chapter. It's all about false teachers/prophets, not Christians.

2 Peter 2:17-21
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Verse 17 is clearly not speaking of born-again people. Just consider the end of the verse. And verse 18 makes this even more clear. Peter calls them "servants of corruption," not children of God, not saints of God, not Christians, or brethren. And then, Peter speaks hypothetically ("IF") about these false prophets (vs. 20-21), remarking on how deeply awful it would be IF they escaped the pollutions of the world only to be entangled in them again. Peter does not say, though, that these false prophets actually had escaped those pollutions. So, the passage above is not at all about born-again people and losing one's salvation.



James 5:14-20
14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months.
18 Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Verse 19 and 20 are, in context, about the Christian man who is sick having church Elders pray over, and anoint, him (vs. 14). James points out that the man's sickness may be related to sin and that, if this is so, the man seeking prayers for healing ought also to confess his sin so that healing may come (vs. 15-16). So, when James wrote in verse 20 of the "sinner" who is saved from death, he meant the man seeking healing in verse 14 who was sick because of his (unconfessed) sin. Those who turn such straying Christians from their error, not only enable physical healing to happen ("save his soul from death") but help that Christian to deal with their sin ("cover a multitude of sins").

I've run out of time to say just now. I hope you'll consider the things I've pointed out above.

yes I will consider and get back to you but tomorrow only cannot do it today but thank you for your reply.

Blessings

 

[bro.tan]

No one said it is wrong

But if your obeying to receive eternal life. Well then moses gave you the requirement

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

in other words. breaking one command would make you guilty, and you would be under the curse of the law

Paul reemphasized this in his letter to the Galatian church

Galatians 3: 10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

and if we still question this as fact. James emphasizes that if we even slip up and break one command by accident (stumble) we are guilty of all

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

so it is not wrong to keep the commands, It is better for us if we do.. but trying to keep them to receive eternal life. well we have already failed.. So we better reach out for Gods grace and mercy


Amen,

But don't let anyone try to receive eternal life by keeping the law. because they have already failed to have the oportunity to recieve it by our obedience. becausde all have sinned and fall short.

No he removed all of our sins.

if he just removed out past sins. we better never sin again, because if we do. we are doomed. Or Christ has to return.. You can not pay for your sins.. Only Christ could


Getting water baptized will nto help you.

yes you better repent, and like the tax collector call out. If you do this God will baptize you into Christ.

No it means to turn from unbelief to belief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already - Jesus John 3




it would not matter if you willingly broke one, or stumbled and broke on on accident, It makes you guilty of the law and cursed.. Jesus better make a return trip

If we STUMBLE (- ptaisei - to stumble or trip to make a mistake) in one point we are guilty of all - James - James 2: 10

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Kokyu]

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

When did Jesus say this and to whom? Did he say this before or after the cross, before or after his Atonement and the "second birth" it brought to pass? Before. There was no New Covenant yet, no new life in himself that was available, only the Old Covenant and its death-dealing law-keeping (Romans 7:8-10).

Was Jesus speaking to a Jew or a Gentile? To a Jew. A Jew still under the Old Covenant, without access to the "new and living way" Jesus would later create through his sacrifice on the cross. And so, Jesus spoke to the Rich Young Ruler within, and according to, this Old Covenant context, demonstrating through, and to, him how impossible it was to please God under the "letter of the law" of the Old Covenant. Jesus, then, was absolutely NOT setting forth in his words to the young Jewish ruler the way for post-Calvary, law-liberated, Spirit-indwelt children of God to live. See Hebrews 10:19-22, Galatians 3:3, 22-26 and Romans 7:6.

 

[Taken]

Is it possible to lose salvation?​

Yes.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David Lamb]

When did Jesus say this and to whom? Did he say this before or after the cross, before or after his Atonement and the "second birth" it brought to pass? Before. There was no New Covenant yet, no new life in himself that was available, only the Old Covenant and its death-dealing law-keeping (Romans 7:8-10).

Yet before the cross, Jesus said:

“"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.” (Joh 5:24 NKJV)

Not, ".....will have everlasting life, after I have suffered on the cross."

 

[mailmandan]

The tares teach once saved always saved which is why they are tares

Your severe case of anti-once saved always saved derangement syndrome has turned you into a biased and unfair judge and even a false accuser of the brethren. You need to repent and leave the judging up the God who alone infallibly knows the hearts of all men and women.

 

[David Lamb]

Your severe case of anti-once saved always saved derangement syndrome has turned you into a biased and unfair judge and even a false accuser of the brethren. You need to repent and leave the judging up the God who alone infallibly knows the hearts of all men and women.

I agree. Jesus talked about tares in His parables, but I cannot find anywhere in the bible where we are told, "The tares teach once saved always saved which is why they are tares."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

then you better be perfect. Because God commands moses. they must obey every word. or they are cursed.

Paul reitterated it in Gal 3. saying no one is justified according to the law. because it requires perfection

And james said if we even stumble or trip (not on purpose) one command, we are guilty

Jesus tried to get these people to admit they failed.. They would not losten.

will you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When did Jesus say this and to whom? Did he say this before or after the cross, before or after his Atonement and the "second birth" it brought to pass? Before. There was no New Covenant yet, no new life in himself that was available, only the Old Covenant and its death-dealing law-keeping (Romans 7:8-10).

Was Jesus speaking to a Jew or a Gentile? To a Jew. A Jew still under the Old Covenant, without access to the "new and living way" Jesus would later create through his sacrifice on the cross. And so, Jesus spoke to the Rich Young Ruler within, and according to, this Old Covenant context, demonstrating through, and to, him how impossible it was to please God under the "letter of the law" of the Old Covenant. Jesus, then, was absolutely NOT setting forth in his words to the young Jewish ruler the way for post-Calvary, law-liberated, Spirit-indwelt children of God to live. See Hebrews 10:19-22, Galatians 3:3, 22-26 and Romans 7:6.

He saids this to someone who thouoght they were ok.. because they misunderstood the law

the law could never save anyone

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is it possible to lose salvation?​

Yes.

Glory to God,
Taken

how can you lose something you could never earn?

and how is it glory to God if he made a mistake?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your severe case of anti-once saved always saved derangement syndrome has turned you into a biased and unfair judge and even a false accuser of the brethren. You need to repent and leave the judging up the God who alone infallibly knows the hearts of all men and women.

I believe he is gone..

 

[LoveYeshua]

??? What Jesus said was that few find the narrow gate and way, not that few remain on it. And Jesus said nothing in Matthew 7:13-14 about "staying faithful" and that only those who do "enter the Kingdom of Heaven." These are your unwarranted additions to what he said in the verses. I point this out because there is no surer, quicker way to go off the rails doctrinally than to make these sorts of additions to the text of Scripture. And as soon as you make your faithfulness and obedience to God the basis for your remaining saved, you make yourself a co-Savior with Jesus. But, there is only one Savior and no other (Acts 4:12; Jn. 14:6; 1 Ti. 2:5-6).



No, Christ's parable described three receivers, or hearers, of the "seed" of God's word (i.e. the Gospel) who are not saved by it and one (the last one) who "bears fruit" who is saved. Over the last two millennia, many millions have received (i.e. heard) the "seed" of the Gospel, but they have not been saved as a result. So, merely hearing the Gospel is not enough to be saved. Even receiving the "seed" positively ("with joy") is also not sufficient for salvation, as Christ's parable in Matthew 13:3-8; 18-23 illustrated. No, only when the "seed" takes root in a person and "bears fruit" (Jn. 15:4-5; Ga. 5:22-23) is that person actually saved.



No, in John 15:1-6, Jesus is not speaking of one person who was saved but now is not, but of two different kinds of people: the saved (abiding in Christ) and the lost (not abiding in Christ). No man by dint of his own effort can connect himself to the Vine (be saved). Only Jesus saves and only Jesus keeps us saved (Ac. 4:12; Jn. 10:28-29). It isn't that Jesus saves us and then we must work to keep ourselves saved. This is blasphemous works-salvation, that makes the Christian a co-Savior with Jesus.



But Peter isn't speaking of born-again people. Read the whole chapter. It's all about false teachers/prophets, not Christians.

2 Peter 2:17-21
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Verse 17 is clearly not speaking of born-again people. Just consider the end of the verse. And verse 18 makes this even more clear. Peter calls them "servants of corruption," not children of God, not saints of God, not Christians, or brethren. And then, Peter speaks hypothetically ("IF") about these false prophets (vs. 20-21), remarking on how deeply awful it would be IF they escaped the pollutions of the world only to be entangled in them again. Peter does not say, though, that these false prophets actually had escaped those pollutions. So, the passage above is not at all about born-again people and losing one's salvation.



James 5:14-20
14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months.
18 Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Verse 19 and 20 are, in context, about the Christian man who is sick having church Elders pray over, and anoint, him (vs. 14). James points out that the man's sickness may be related to sin and that, if this is so, the man seeking prayers for healing ought also to confess his sin so that healing may come (vs. 15-16). So, when James wrote in verse 20 of the "sinner" who is saved from death, he meant the man seeking healing in verse 14 who was sick because of his (unconfessed) sin. Those who turn such straying Christians from their error, not only enable physical healing to happen ("save his soul from death") but help that Christian to deal with their sin ("cover a multitude of sins").

I've run out of time to say just now. I hope you'll consider the things I've pointed out above.

Thank you for your detailed response and thoughtful engagement with Scripture. While I agree that salvation is entirely the work of Christ and not earned by human effort, I also believe the New Testament includes clear exhortations to continue in faith, abide in Christ, and not fall away—warnings that suggest human response matters. Jesus' own teachings, including the parables you referenced, often emphasized perseverance and fruit-bearing as evidence of true discipleship.

I understand your concern about adding to Scripture, and I share that caution. However, interpreting the full counsel of God requires holding together both the assurance of salvation and the many calls to remain faithful. I appreciate the dialogue and your commitment to the truth of the Gospel.

Blessings

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you for your detailed response and thoughtful engagement with Scripture. While I agree that salvation is entirely the work of Christ and not earned by human effort,

I also believe the New Testament includes clear exhortations to continue in faith, abide in Christ, and not fall away—warnings that suggest human response matters. Jesus' own teachings, including the parables you referenced, often emphasized perseverance and fruit-bearing as evidence of true discipleship.

I am saying this sincerely

do you not see the contradictions in the above two statements as I have separated

1st you say it is all of God with no human effort

2nd you say it is all of human effort..

how can it be both ways

 

[Behold]

Is it possible to lose salvation?​

Yes.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus is Salvation.

You dont "do that".....so you can't "lose that".

Amazing that so called "chrisitans' have no idea that Salvation is not something you do or keep or can lose.

"well behold, what if i walk away from ........................>"

This question is actally teaching that....>>"as long as i keep my salvation, i keep myself saved".

Reader, you can't keep what you don't cause.......to begin with........

Salvation is not something you do........its something that God offeres to you as a GIFT, that is based on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
You can't DO that.........you can only RECEIVE IT., and once you are born again, you have been given what is ETERNAL..