Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

talk about a good post, I borrowed some of the scripture for another forumns on the same subject FYI, I did add my own thoughts though, great post !

Keep up the good work Dave Mac.
The naysayers are putting persons into jeopardy.
God demands obedience.
Plain and simple.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont know of a pope one who ever truly followed Christ .
Any seasoned man , and one darn sure should have been seasoned before he stood to lead the church
WOULD NEVER have done and allowed the things these popes did .
IN fact JESUS himself when warning against the pharisees and leaders of the blind
said BEWARE of men who love to go about
wearing broad clothing , loving titles of men . I NEVER ONCE seen that in these popes .
And i read a book even wrote by a catholic which did his best to sum up the actions
of many popes in a history . THAT church has been rottted for as long as i can research back in history .
And even the man who wrote that book about the HISTORY of the popes
was HONEST ENOUGH to say there was no proof of pope hood in peter or others .
For the first hundred and fifty years or so
THE POPES listed , that man EVEN KNEW there was no way to prove they ever did behave
as did the popes , with titles and etc , with this other stuff . least he was honest enough to say that .
THOUGH he did support the CC . AND YES he is lost still .
We cannot partake in other mens sins . WOULD you agree with that . That we must not partake in other mens sins .
SO WHY oh why are people supporting such titles and even calling such men , MOST HOLY FATHER
or most HOLY reverand . bowing before idols , blowing incense unto them
and many other wicked things they do . WE CANNOT partake IN their sin . RATHER we must
warn against any place that does this , and other things CONTRARY TO CHRIST , TO GOD .
Yet many sit in such places . places so vile and wicked and yet holler we beleives in JESUS . OH NO THEY DONT .
THEY FOLLOW another jesus created of men that led them right into the praise , worship and trust in men .
BAD NEWS . i fear much for this generation . And now in the last hour
a false love has come to gather the decieved as one . And the decieved WILL BUY THIS LOVE AND ITS LIE .
we have got to be far more serious , far more grave and do all to warn and to remind this people .

Here's what I believe to be true.
It started out good.
It did a lot of good at the beginning or we wouldn't be here discussing this due to all the heresy that floated about.
But it lost its way.
There are some in the CC that are saved and some that are not.
I don't like to bash denominations that are TRYING to do good by teaching what they believe to be right.
There is only one denominations that CANNOT bring persons to God because of their teaching and that would be the reformed/calvinist teaching churches.
No good news in Calvinism.

 

[amigo de christo]

Here's what I believe to be true.
It started out good.
It did a lot of good at the beginning or we wouldn't be here discussing this due to all the heresy that floated about.
But it lost its way.
There are some in the CC that are saved and some that are not.
I don't like to bash denominations that are TRYING to do good by teaching what they believe to be right.
There is only one denominations that CANNOT bring persons to God because of their teaching and that would be the reformed/calvinist teaching churches.
No good news in Calvinism.

Many are trying to do good , or what they at least think is good , by teaching what THEY DO beleive is right .
And yet all along they are but deceivers my friend .
It makes no sense to make the cliam that i am bashing The CC
and then turn around and make your stance on why you expose calvinsism .
FOR I TELL US ALL
the RCC is no less dangerous a place to sit
than is a calivinist church .
THEY BOTH DANGEROUS . and thus BOTH must be exposed .
We cannot pick and choose or try and hold to what we call the lesser evil .
WE MUST HOLD TO exposing all errors and all sins
and warning against all such places that do Teach such things .
Whether or not the CC started out right or not does not concern me .
HOW or whether any actual church had started out right
does not concern me . What concerns me is
WHAT ARE THEM CHURCHES TEACHING TODAY . And guess what THEY ALL BANKRUPT .
Its bad my friend . I dont look to church history to try and pick my church .
WE look to CHRIST , we learn the pattern in the scrips and we have fellowship
with like minded sheep whose love is for GOD and HIS CHRIST first and foremost
and to love one another . Leadership is good , but the leadership i see in most all churches
today , IT AINT GOOD , not even close to GOOD . in fact there are many grown wolves
leading this peoples . WE must return to learning again our bibles for ourselves
and let us fellowship with likeminded folks whose love is FOR GOD and as such
WE love His words which HE did say to also love one another . Histories
church creeds no matter how true they were
DONT matter to me , IN THIS SENSE
WHAT ARE THEY NOW DOING TODAY . THEY are FALLING AWAY BIG TIME is what they are now doing TODAY .
We must do all now to contend for the true faith . Do all to warn any and all
in error in any dangerous place , TO COME YE OUT and flee to the wilderness and have our worship
together OUTSIDE of such vile and wicked places who through darkness have created what they call light .
BUt it be but darkness . We must do all now to pray for this people and to stand firm my friend .
Be encouraged . BUT WE MUST MAKE OUR STAND right now .

 

[amigo de christo]

Here's what I believe to be true.
It started out good.
It did a lot of good at the beginning or we wouldn't be here discussing this due to all the heresy that floated about.
But it lost its way.
There are some in the CC that are saved and some that are not.
I don't like to bash denominations that are TRYING to do good by teaching what they believe to be right.
There is only one denominations that CANNOT bring persons to God because of their teaching and that would be the reformed/calvinist teaching churches.
No good news in Calvinism.

No good news in calvinism , lets lengthen that list shall we .
Cause it aint just calivlinsim .
ITS A WHOLE LOTTA them isms to include and DARN SURE not omit THE RCC ITSELF .
Let me give you an example .
I had read and learned about a group known as anabaptists .
This was lovely too .
But anyone wanna guess why today
I DONT run to their churches . CAUSE THEY ARE NOT EVEN the same as they had began .
SO IT dont matter HOW GOOD a church was at its start , IF THE SAID CHURCH
has FALLEN . and friend THEY HAVE FALLEN .
But GOD still has his sheep . And its our duty to Help this people and one another .
NOT by downtoning sin and error
BUT BY speaking TRUTH and yes it means we gonna have to warn folks
to stay away from all appearance of evil , WHICH darn sure includes Churches who do teach such wicked doctrines .
AND THEY are massive in these last hours . SO do be encouraged . You know i love you my friend .
BUTwe must do all now to help any and all we can . And always remember
DONT give even an inch to leaven
because when one does , IN TIME IT WILL OVERTAKE THE ENTIRE RULER AND BECOME THE RULER . i seen this far too many
times my friend . WE make OUR LAST HOUR STAND now . While there still be time TO stand .

 

[GodsGrace]

Suffice for what?

We were discussing the fact that the NT teaches that salvation can be lost.
The verses I posted are sufficient to understand that all the writers taught this.
There are plenty more if you really need them...
but it's clear that eternal security is conditional on abiding in Christ and obeying Him.

Here are the verses again:

1 Timothy 4:1
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away,,,,


Hebrews 3:12
12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.


1 Timothy 4:16
16 Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.


1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

What does it mean to "fall away from the faith"? The Galatian Christians were being seduced by Judaizers, lured back under the impossible law-keeping approach to God that Christ had abolished (He. 7-10:22) through his atoning work at Calvary. Paul is quite fierce in his criticism of the Judaizers (Ga. 1:7; 5:12) and in his plea to the Christians in Galatia not to come under bondage to the condemnation of the Old Covenant (Ga. 3:3; 4:9-11). But Paul never says to the believers in Galatia who were returning to the "weak and beggarly elements" of Old Covenant law-keeping that they were therefore unsaved. Instead, Paul refers to them repeatedly as "brethren" (Ga. 1:11; 3:15; 4:12, 28, etc.) and "sons of God" (Ga. 3:26; 4:6) confirming that they were in Christ (Ga. 3:27-29).

I never said that Paul stated the Galatians were unsaved.
What I'm saying is that a person could be saved but can FALL AWAY from the faith.

To fall away means to not have it anymore.
Faith must be present first....
in order to FALL AWAY from it.

If you fall away from something....it means you no longer have it.

And I'm not discussing the Mosaic Covenant....
I'm discussing the New Covenant.

God ALWAYS demands obedience.....
in any Covenant.
Could you find a Covenant where God did not require obedience when the covenant was bilateral?

You assume that "fall away from the faith" means "unsaved" but Paul never actually says this in any of the verses you've posted above. Was Paul incapable of being explicit and writing "not saved" or "unsaved" or "you've lost your salvation"? Obviously not. And yet, he never writes anything of this sort in any of his letters. Look at the first verse you offered in context:

Gee. You sure do require precise wording K.

Maybe Paul would have been even more precise than he already is if he knew that 2 thousand years after he died for his faith some persons would believe that just because someone thinks they're born again they can then live as they wish and continue to be born again.

This is not what Paul taught.

Here is what Paul taught:

Colossians 1:21-23
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


IF makes the statement of being presented before God holy and blameless CONDITIONAL on something.
Verse 22

The condition is that we must CONTINUE IN THE FAITH.


1 of 2

 

[GodsGrace]

@Kokyu

2 of 2

1 Timothy 4:1-5
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

What does Paul mean by "fall away from the faith" in the context of this passage? Does he ever say they are unsaved? No. Does he say "And so, they have lost their salvation"? No. Does he say, "Thus God has rejected them from His family and kingdom"? No. But he does say that those who've "fallen away from the faith" have:

- given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.
- speak lies in hypocrisy.
- possess a seared conscience.
- forbid marriage, and abstinence from certain foods.

Yes sir.
IF one FALLS AWAY from the faith....
he no longer has faith.

Faith is necessary for salvation....
no faith
no salvation

I've always thought it strange, this passage. The people Paul describes who've "fallen away" aren't off into some perverse sexuality, or worship of pagan idols, or denying Jesus was God, but are just forbidding marriage and abstinence from certain foods. Sounds rather like the Judaizers in the province of Galatia. In any case, Paul says nothing in his description of those who've "fallen away" of lost salvation, or God ejecting them from His family and kingdom. Such a construction on Paul's words you're imposing, not actually extracting from what he wrote.

Don't think it's so strange K.
Paul said we are not to follow a different gospel.
Galatians 1:6-8
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting * Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only * there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!


Please read....some were DESERTING Him who called them by the grace of Christ.

FALL AWAY
DESERT
LEAD ASTRAY

All these words mean the faith was being ABANDONED.
Again: No faith,,,No salvation.
We must have belief in God and His commandments, we must have faith, in order to be saved.

You are following a different gospel....one that was NEVER taught in church history till recently.

This is the gospel that Jesus taught:
John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Jesus brought the good news.
The good news is that we can be saved by BELIEVING in Jesus.

It's a good idea to know what BELIEVE means when used by the NT writers.

Since even the demons believe in God and shudder...
surely BELIEVE must mean something different for those who believe in God, as is taught in the NT.

Believe means to follow, to trust, to learn from, etc.

Jesus said He will not know some.
Why?
Because they are LAWLESS....not following the commandments of Christ.

Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Matthew 7:23
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Hebrews 6:1-8
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this we will do if God permits.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;
8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner.

Here, too, the question is: What does "fall away" mean? As well, what difference, if any, does the conditional term "if" make to what is being said in verse 6? And who, exactly, is in view in verses 4-6? Is it actually a born-again person?

If a person is:
Enlightened
Tasted of the heavenly gift
Partakers of the Holy Spirit PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Tasted the good word AND THE POWERS of the age to come

Would you say these are unbelievers?
If so, we need to define what a born again Christian is.
Can a non-believer be a PARAKER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT??

The writer of Hebrews explains what he means by "fall away":

- cannot be renewed again to repentance.
- crucify the Son of God again and put him to an open shame.

Well, if someone cannot be RENEWED again to repentence....
it means he had repented and cannot be RENEWED.

This just proves my point.

Again, what isn't said is that the one who "falls away" is no longer saved, or unsaved, or has lost their salvation, or is thrust out of God's family and kingdom - all much simpler, more explicit ways to say such a thing if it is was what was intended.

I think that any logical person reading along understands what it means to FALL AWAY from something.

If I fall away from my job....

Do I still have a job??

 

[Ezra]

It is very dangerous to teach osas and think that obedience to God is not important.
All Jesus taught was obedience to God.

it depends on how it is taught this is what peter wrote a inheritance
1 peter 4
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



i am pretty sure you will agree he has given us eternal life.. instead of osas which once again if taught right is pretty much spot on.. i do not teach/preach osas i preach/teach a know so salvation . that we may know paul said very plan in romans 6

What shall we say then? ( Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?)

2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


Even jesus told us

John 10:28-29

King James Version

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28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

this is our security i have listed . once again its not a license to sin.. Grace is there for us when we sin .. but to havve use of this grace we must follow 1 john 1:9


if we are living in sin 24/ 7 no remorse of sin then this scripture comes up

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


which means most likely no salvation.... my last thing to bring up... do we go to sleep and wake up and worry if were still saved or not? if not that eternal security ..agree disagree either way its all good

 

[Ronald Nolette]

that is a key word for sure, to learn the difference between practice as a way of life and stumble as mess up but you repent is very important, one I see many miss, I am glad you got that !! I really do not know if a believer would go back to practicing sin or not, I can give you scripture that suggest some might, truth be told scripture does not say if we can or can not loose salvation in a plain 100% way.

I do not think salvation is unconditional as OSAS suggest,

So it is your belief that jesus did not die for all of your sin then. If you experience a season of sin, you believe that teh eternal life given you, the becoming a child of God, being hidden in Jesus, already being seated in heaven, being perfected forever, not being able to be plucked out of Jesus or our Fathers hands by anybody all are revoked and undone because Jesus only died for somebodies 99 and 44/100% of somebodies sin?

The bible has three specific statements about people who looked like Christians butr NEVER were, but not one place that says believers who are saved and kept until the day of redemption can lose all the promises God made to us.

I am gone till Tuesday and will respond then.

 

[GodsGrace]

Many are trying to do good , or what they at least think is good , by teaching what THEY DO beleive is right .
And yet all along they are but deceivers my friend .
It makes no sense to make the cliam that i am bashing The CC

I never said YOU are,,,,but many do.
Joel Osteen is not running a very biblical church...I don't see any criticism of him.

and then turn around and make your stance on why you expose calvinsism .
FOR I TELL US ALL
the RCC is no less dangerous a place to sit
than is a calivinist church .

There's a big difference Amigo.
The CC teaches biblical ideas including salvation.
The Calvinist churches cannot do this because it's not up to any individual to decide on their salvation...according to them.
So they will turn away persons that could possibly lose their very soul.

THEY BOTH DANGEROUS . and thus BOTH must be exposed .

I agree with this.

We cannot pick and choose or try and hold to what we call the lesser evil .

Well, unfortunately for Christianity...we must hold to the lesser evil...
because I don't know of a church that teaches everything as it was taught in the early church when Jesus was alive and when the Apostles were still alive.

WE MUST HOLD TO exposing all errors and all sins
and warning against all such places that do Teach such things .

Agreed.

Whether or not the CC started out right or not does not concern me .
HOW or whether any actual church had started out right
does not concern me . What concerns me is
WHAT ARE THEM CHURCHES TEACHING TODAY . And guess what THEY ALL BANKRUPT .

Agreed !
Except I DO believe the CC started out correctly.

Its bad my friend . I dont look to church history to try and pick my church .
WE look to CHRIST , we learn the pattern in the scrips and we have fellowship
with like minded sheep whose love is for GOD and HIS CHRIST first and foremost
and to love one another . Leadership is good , but the leadership i see in most all churches
today , IT AINT GOOD , not even close to GOOD . in fact there are many grown wolves
leading this peoples . WE must return to learning again our bibles for ourselves

I'm non-denominational.

and let us fellowship with likeminded folks whose love is FOR GOD and as such
WE love His words which HE did say to also love one another . Histories
church creeds no matter how true they were
DONT matter to me , IN THIS SENSE
WHAT ARE THEY NOW DOING TODAY . THEY are FALLING AWAY BIG TIME is what they are now doing TODAY .

Agreed.

We must do all now to contend for the true faith . Do all to warn any and all
in error in any dangerous place , TO COME YE OUT and flee to the wilderness and have our worship
together OUTSIDE of such vile and wicked places who through darkness have created what they call light .
BUt it be but darkness . We must do all now to pray for this people and to stand firm my friend .
Be encouraged . BUT WE MUST MAKE OUR STAND right now .

Italy is different than the US.
Very few Protestants here.
Many atheists with very closed minds.
We can only do our best.
I speak about Jesus when I can and the salvation of our soul.
Bringing persons to Jesus should be our goal...
NOT bringing them to a church.
Although a good church would be a wonderful thing.

 

[GodsGrace]

So it is your belief that jesus did not die for all of your sin then. If you experience a season of sin, you believe that teh eternal life given you, the becoming a child of God, being hidden in Jesus, already being seated in heaven, being perfected forever, not being able to be plucked out of Jesus or our Fathers hands by anybody all are revoked and undone because Jesus only died for somebodies 99 and 44/100% of somebodies sin?

The bible has three specific statements about people who looked like Christians butr NEVER were, but not one place that says believers who are saved and kept until the day of redemption can lose all the promises God made to us.

I am gone till Tuesday and will respond then.

Too comfy of an argument Ronald Nolette.
Saying "they were never saved to begin with" is just too comfy.

Come away from your comfort zone and read what the NT states.

JESUS said that some will fall away:

Luke 8:13
13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

Listen to what Jesus said.
They hear the word.
They receive the word with joy.
They believe FOR A WHILE
Then they fall away in time of temptation.

Do you think Jesus knew the difference between a believer and a non-believer?


Again, Jesus stated this in the story of the Prodigal Son:

Luke 15:24
24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate.

Listen to what Jesus said.
The son was dead and came TO LIFE AGAIN.

The son was saved....
lost....
and came to life AGAIN....just as before he was lost away from home.

 

[Ezra]

Joel Osteen is not running a very biblical church...I don't see any criticism of him.

whats there to criticize i mean its obvious where he stands ,, why even waste time on him

 

[Ezra]

The son was saved....
lost....
and came to life AGAIN....just as before he was lost away from home.

there is two sides to every coin and two different interpolations. is there a right one and a wrong one ? i dont plan on finding it if i can become lost again.. much like the prodigal son a True Christian will return. whom the Lord loves he chastises ( corrects ) hebrews says if we say we are not chastised then we become bastard kids ..no father. i think paul wrote iot best to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in us.

 

[amigo de christo]

I never said YOU are,,,,but many do.
Joel Osteen is not running a very biblical church...I don't see any criticism of him.


There's a big difference Amigo.
The CC teaches biblical ideas including salvation.
The Calvinist churches cannot do this because it's not up to any individual to decide on their salvation...according to them.
So they will turn away persons that could possibly lose their very soul.

I agree with this.

Well, unfortunately for Christianity...we must hold to the lesser evil...
because I don't know of a church that teaches everything as it was taught in the early church when Jesus was alive and when the Apostles were still alive.


Agreed.

Agreed !
Except I DO believe the CC started out correctly.


I'm non-denominational.


Agreed.

Italy is different than the US.
Very few Protestants here.
Many atheists with very closed minds.
We can only do our best.
I speak about Jesus when I can and the salvation of our soul.
Bringing persons to Jesus should be our goal...
NOT bringing them to a church.
Although a good church would be a wonderful thing.

Oh believe me my near and my dear friend , i have exposed that smiley snake in the grass
and many of his co workers . But here let me do it once again . Joe osteen Is completely false .
HE too has gone the way of the many . Did you really think i would not expose a wolf like that .
So i may as well expose a few others
so as you wont get the feeling i am favoring a singel wolf of this pile of many wolves .
But do allow me to sum up the groups because if i were to name them all indivdually , ME nor you or anyone
would have the time to read it , let alone my hands and fingers would be so crippled if i even
perhaps typed but a hundredth of a percent of what is now false among christendom . AND I SAID FALSE
not to include some who might be a wee bit off on some things and just need correcting .
May i suggest an exodus perhaps or perhaps a better word that darn sure would have led to an exodus .
AN ENTRODUS . RIGHT INTO the bible and in time
we had seen the largest exodus of many RIGHT OUT of them sold out churches . Perhaps i will bring
the list later . But just know its gonna shock even you to the core . ITS bad my friend . REAL bad .
The false lovey do has TAKEN THEM RIGHT INTO the very snare that leadeth to the LIE .
And friend , no matter how often i warn , THEY IS DOUBLING DOWN on this lie and more and more do buy into it daily .

 

[amigo de christo]

whats there to criticize i mean its obvious where he stands ,, why even waste time on him

by all means it was a very fair and very good question that Gods grace asked me .
HE was right to do so . JOEL OSTEEN IS a wolf in sheeps clothing .
MANY now are and lead this people right to the lake of fire by guise of a false love and its cry for unity and finding common ground .
I bet you even have heard that phrase . MOST have cause its NOW ALL OVER just about the ENTIRE realm of Christendom .
AND IT WILL BE THE SNARE of them all . And people keep thinking
there is coming a strong delusion to merge this world and its religoins as one . NOPE ITS ALREADY HERE .
The one world religoin IS already here . THEY JUST CALL IT LOVE and GODS PLAN . we been duped .
David knows that i do speak truth .
HE knows i hate no one . Perhaps we really should start asking one another questions .
Cause this can be cleared up . But that i leave to you . I have done what i can and must continue
to do as i am led . And yes i know its gonna cost me and much much more will it have cost me
before this race is done .
BUT dont you weep a tear one for me no matter how hated i do become .
Even if you see me killed , WEEP Not for me . HERE IS WHO YOU WEEP FOR
WEEP FOR THE SOULS THAT BOUGHT INTO THE FALSE LOVE that came of satan
but was claimed as though it were of GOD . WEEP FOR THEM , not me . THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

It would not in any way even slightly surpise me
if even some here think i am a devil .
But it wont change how or what i do . what i do i do for the people
and if they see me as the enemy , well that is on them . NO RETREAT and NO SURRENDER .
Someone gotta do something . and so the sheep will . we will expose all that is contrary to GOD and to HIS CHRIST
in any way shape form or fashion . ALL false doctrine will be exposed
and the leaders who teach it shall be named . And it that makes me seem as a hater
THEN all i can say is , TRY reading the bible again for oneself . YOU SEE for thine own self
WHO is the enemy . IS IT HE WHO exposes , or is it he who simply covers and excuses the evil . DO PICK the latter please .

 

[amigo de christo]

there is two sides to every coin and two different interpolations. is there a right one and a wrong one ? i dont plan on finding it if i can become lost again.. much like the prodigal son a True Christian will return. whom the Lord loves he chastises ( corrects ) hebrews says if we say we are not chastised then we become bastard kids ..no father. i think paul wrote iot best to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in us.

For it is WHO , who that works in the sheep that which is well pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .
GOD does . exactly .
SO let us take note that UNBELEIF and SIN darn sure aint pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .
preaching a love that wont correct sin and error , DARN sure aint pleasing in HIS SIGHT .
Look at how HE warned against those who even ALLOWED a false one to teach and to seduce his people .
And as for love , and i get you agree with this ,
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart .
I bet you agree BIG TIME with that . AS DO I .
BUT now allow me to write it all out and lets see who is TRULY agreeing with it and who is truly
really hating on his neighbor but just DONT know it .
Drum roll please .......................................................................................................
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT HIM AND NOT ALLOW SIN UPON HIM .
SO MUCH FOR THE LOVEY DO that always judges MEN LIKE ME WHO DO try and correct sin and error .
IT AINT LOVE OR LOVING to allow thine neighbor to remain IN SIN , IN UNBELIEF
But todays lovey do sure seems to think it is . YOU have a wonderful and blessed night
and lets PRAY about this shall we ..............

 

[amigo de christo]

there is two sides to every coin and two different interpolations. is there a right one and a wrong one ? i dont plan on finding it if i can become lost again.. much like the prodigal son a True Christian will return. whom the Lord loves he chastises ( corrects ) hebrews says if we say we are not chastised then we become bastard kids ..no father. i think paul wrote iot best to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in us.

Time for the great exodus my friends .
But to know and understand that , let us do FIRST a huge entrodus back into the bible to learn again for ourselves .
Cause if we do and if we did , BELEIVE YOU ME we been OUTTA many of them churches .
THEY aint heeding TRUTH . they twisting things and now mold as one
the largest pretzeled up , lovey do flavored up , twisted love ONE has ever seen
to merge all of the decieved to be as one mind and one heart in love with a love OFTHIS WORLD
and of the darkness and its common ground cry .
You are dearly loved Ezra . TIME we all stand the wall
AS in the days OF EZRA
each with a weapon in one hand , aka a bible , and each preaching the gospel and truth . cause
A great seige has come against the peoples of the LORD . and its high time we do us some exploits .

 

[amigo de christo]

there is two sides to every coin and two different interpolations. is there a right one and a wrong one ? i dont plan on finding it if i can become lost again.. much like the prodigal son a True Christian will return. whom the Lord loves he chastises ( corrects ) hebrews says if we say we are not chastised then we become bastard kids ..no father. i think paul wrote iot best to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in us.

There is always two sides to any coin .
But its not the sides of any coin that concerns me at all . ITS , IS TRUTH BEING LOVED and EMBRACED
or is a lie being loved and embraced .
cause i see lots of double sided coins , and on both sides lies the deadly danger of the delusion of the inclusion .
But we sheep sure aint gonna heed that mess .............................are we . we gonna expose it .

 

[Ezra]

There is always two sides to any coin .

your right heads i win tales you lose its heads i win good night

 

[amigo de christo]

I never said YOU are,,,,but many do.
Joel Osteen is not running a very biblical church...I don't see any criticism of him.


There's a big difference Amigo.
The CC teaches biblical ideas including salvation.
The Calvinist churches cannot do this because it's not up to any individual to decide on their salvation...according to them.
So they will turn away persons that could possibly lose their very soul.

I agree with this.

Well, unfortunately for Christianity...we must hold to the lesser evil...
because I don't know of a church that teaches everything as it was taught in the early church when Jesus was alive and when the Apostles were still alive.


Agreed.

Agreed !
Except I DO believe the CC started out correctly.


I'm non-denominational.


Agreed.

Italy is different than the US.
Very few Protestants here.
Many atheists with very closed minds.
We can only do our best.
I speak about Jesus when I can and the salvation of our soul.
Bringing persons to Jesus should be our goal...
NOT bringing them to a church.
Although a good church would be a wonderful thing.

To the trenches one and all .
There is something i seen on this response
and i have to admit it scared me for you my friend .
But dont see this as an attack .
You wrote unforntunately we have to choose the lesser of two evils .
The sheep choose no evil and have zero hope in men .
That be the correct way to see evil . Choose ye this day
Not the greater of two or lesser of two evils , Choose zero evil , CHOOSE YE THE LIVING GOD
and make our stand to expose , not a little , not even half or even most evil , expose ALL evil .
May that encourage us all . men have really messed things up real bad .
And sadly i think i understand the intelligence behind the clause even france has in its constitution .
Choosing either side is now like choosing and the choice
is , Adolf hitler or Mao . WHO wants either of those . This is an exaggeration in part
BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL THINGS .
Choosing the lesser of two evils . Lets see which one was the lesser of the two evils
ADOLF or MAO . OOPS i dont think we would want either . WELL that is how we must see
choosing any evil . WE no want it and we no support it . Just be encouraged .
Its true i might often be a hated sheep , but this sheeps gotta do what its gotta do .
MY CHOICE IS CHRIST JESUS , the WORD and the words of GOD .
Any that wanna decieve , YEAH they wont be followed at all . SO i do hope that encourages you .
You can probably even see why most dont at all like me .
Because , because i expose the errors of both sides . You dont make friends doing that .
BUT always remember , Rebuke a wise man and he will love thee . Some will hear , most will reject .