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Luk 22:19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

all of this is purely symbolic and certainly not litteral this is obvious.

Truly, truly, not obvious and certainly not what Christ explained or how those He was talking to took it. I know that there are those that think Christianity is symbolic. His disciples left Him over a symbolic meaning?

transubstantiation or consubstantiation or cessationism
 

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"Profitable"and "helpful" does not mean only (sola). You realize that right?

I realize Sola means “alone”.
BOL was challenging his own words “of ONLY” Scripture.

I Trust…
2Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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Truly, truly, not obvious and certainly not what Christ explained or how those He was talking to took it. I know that there are those that think Christianity is symbolic. His disciples left Him over a symbolic meaning?

they understood later, and many things are to be taken as literal certainly , but the bible there are a lot of imagery also you have to understand this
transubstantiation or consubstantiation or cessationism
I fully reject all 3 this is NOT what the bible or Jesus teaches
 

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do you?

He said whoever ate it will

John 6:

1. NEVER die - Vs 50
2. Live FOREVER - Vs 51, vs 58
3. NEVER hunger - vs 35
4. NEVER thirst - Vs 35
5. HAS ETERNAL life - Vs 40, vs 47, vs 54
6. WILL NEVER be lost - Vs 39
7. WILL BE raised on the last day - Vs 40, Vs 44, vs 54
8. WILL NEVER be cast out - vs 37

so we have basically 13 times jesus made a promise to ANYONE who ate of this food.

why does your church not believe these promises?
His food you mean his flesh. Do you eat the flesh of Jesus?
 

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I realize Sola means “alone”.
BOL was challenging his own words “of ONLY” Scripture.

I Trust…
2Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Profitable and helpful do not mean alone either. The two "solas" have no biblical support.
 

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His food you mean his flesh. Do you eat the flesh of Jesus?
I did over 50 years ago,

and everything Jesus premised I would get. I got.

its one things to claim you eat what he asked us to eat.

its other things to equate that flesh to everything he promised given to the people who ate it.

if you ate the food which endures forever. why do you keep eating? Does it not Gove what Jesus promised?
 

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I did over 50 years ago,

and everything Jesus premised I would get. I got.

its one things to claim you eat what he asked us to eat.

its other things to equate that flesh to everything he promised given to the people who ate it.

if you ate the food which endures forever. why do you keep eating? Does it not Gove what Jesus promised?
LMBO. This is an angle I haven't come across before. So you eat his flesh once and you don't have to any more. It's really just an extension of the osas silliness. Luke 22:19 Jesus says do this in memory of me. Do do it again at his instruction. He doesn't say just once you have to read that into the text.
 

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LMBO. This is an angle I haven't come across before. So you eat his flesh once and you don't have to any more.
this is an answer I fully expected.

Again, I posted jesus words in John 6. and the food which endured forever.

Why would jesus said we who eat will get all those things if we have to keep on eating? Did the food not endure forever?
It's really just an extension of the osas silliness. Luke 22:19 Jesus says do this in memory of me. Do do it again at his instruction. He doesn't say just once you have to read that into the text.
so you can not respond to John 6. and just think your right because of your catholic bias.

Got it.

anyay, i ask again

He said whoever ate it will

John 6:

1. NEVER die - Vs 50
2. Live FOREVER - Vs 51, vs 58
3. NEVER hunger - vs 35
4. NEVER thirst - Vs 35
5. HAS ETERNAL life - Vs 40, vs 47, vs 54
6. WILL NEVER be lost - Vs 39
7. WILL BE raised on the last day - Vs 40, Vs 44, vs 54
8. WILL NEVER be cast out - vs 37

so we have basically 13 times jesus made a promise to ANYONE who ate of this food.

why does your church not believe these promises?
 

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this is an answer I fully expected.

Again, I posted jesus words in John 6. and the food which endured forever.

Why would jesus said we who eat will get all those things if we have to keep on eating? Did the food not endure forever?

so you can not respond to John 6. and just think your right because of your catholic bias.

Got it.

anyay, i ask again

He said whoever ate it will

John 6:

1. NEVER die - Vs 50
2. Live FOREVER - Vs 51, vs 58
3. NEVER hunger - vs 35
4. NEVER thirst - Vs 35
5. HAS ETERNAL life - Vs 40, vs 47, vs 54
6. WILL NEVER be lost - Vs 39
7. WILL BE raised on the last day - Vs 40, Vs 44, vs 54
8. WILL NEVER be cast out - vs 37

so we have basically 13 times jesus made a promise to ANYONE who ate of this food.

why does your church not believe these promises?
The food last forever Skippy but we dont. This is just a new version not the osas buffoonery
 

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So?

I Trust Scripture … if you have an issue with that…no effect on me.



Dont know what you are talking about, nor interested.
What do you mean...so? Those words don't mean alone you're just making stuff uomas you go.

It is clear you have no interest in that scripture actually says but you seem to believe the people who told you what they think it says. This has to be one of the funniest posts I ever read.
 

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The food last forever Skippy but we dont. This is just a new version not the osas buffoonery
the food lasts forever. That why everything Jesus promised will be given

Your catholic fake flesh and blood will not give you anything.

sad you do not trust Jesus

this is not an osas issue,

Its A God issue

1. Did God make the promise
2. Can God keep his promise

according to you

at least number two is false (I am not sure you even believe God made the promise you have yet to acknowledge any of the things Jesus promised
 

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BreadOfLife said:
Can you comment a complete thought?

[He …. He WHO?
just never gave it … IT WHAT?
SOLE Authority over the Church
as YOU believe
I Believe WHAT… ?Quote me.[/FONT]
blah, blah, blah . . .

Ummm, car to provide a link to reference this gibberish?
WHAT are you blathering about?
 

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they understood later, and many things are to be taken as literal certainly , but the bible there are a lot of imagery also you have to understand this

I fully reject all 3 this is NOT what the bible or Jesus teaches

When it came to something as important as salvation there is not too many riddles. From what Christ said, starting out with “truly, truly” there was no imaginary, no symbolic, no hyperbolic and salvation hinged on them doing it.

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

And what they understood standing face to face with Christ, being there in the real…..they took it exactly as He said. And the reason that we know that it was so important for them to do this is because Christ knew how controversial this would be for them and yet He insisted on it. No if’s and’s or butt’s If they did not do this there would be no life in them and he would not raise them. Yet so shocking that a lot of His disciples left Him.

The meaning and power of Christ’s blood is shown in this ritual. We in Him and He in us. For me, this ritual is a miracle every time it is performed with bread and wine. What Yeshua described is a miracle. But as a theologian I leave the unanswered questions unanswered. What happens to the bread and wine during this ritual? We do not know and maybe it is as un-comprehendible as Heaven itself.

The details of this have been debated for centuries but no significant Christian leader or Apostle said it was not important or an option. Make no mistake, no life in you means no eternal life. You might as well call Baptism symbolic or just for show. The early church took it seriously because in those “house churches” and catacombs the ritual was part of the service.

Paul understood it to be a real thing because he warned that if you were not right with God, and participated in this ritual, bad things could happen. But over the last two thousand years the real gets lost with the lukewarm beliefs of some Christians that do not want to commit….the arm chair Christians that sit in their lazyboys on Sunday and do not go to church. In the early days Christians risked their lives to gather and worship the Lord, but know a days you have to use a cattle prod to get them to go to church.

Good thing that Christ did not think that going through the passion and cross was an option or only symbolic. So sad and so wrong that Christian beliefs have deteriorated to the point that Acts 2:38 and the Blood and Wine Rituals are believed to be an option for salvation, that there is a new way….where arm chair Christians call the shots over and above the scriptures.
 
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Praying to a queen of heaven does appear to comes out of an oral tradition

Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Good catch.
 

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When it came to something as important as salvation there is not too many riddles. From what Christ said, starting out with “truly, truly” there was no imaginary, no symbolic, no hyperbolic and salvation hinged on them doing it.

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

And what they understood standing face to face with Christ, being there in the real…..they took it exactly as He said. And the reason that we know that it was so important for them to do this is because Christ knew how controversial this would be for them and yet He insisted on it. No if’s and’s or butt’s If they did not do this there would be no life in them and he would not raise them. Yet so shocking that a lot of His disciples left Him.

The meaning and power of Christ’s blood is shown in this ritual. We in Him and He in us. For me, this ritual is a miracle every time it is performed with bread and wine. What Yeshua described is a miracle. But as a theologian I leave the unanswered questions unanswered. What happens to the bread and wine during this ritual? We do not know and maybe it is as un-comprehendible as Heaven itself.

The details of this have been debated for centuries but no significant Christian leader or Apostle said it was not important or an option. Make no mistake, no life in you means no eternal life. You might as well call Baptism symbolic or just for show. The early church took it seriously because in those “house churches” and catacombs the ritual was part of the service.

Paul understood it to be a real thing because he warned that if you were not right with God, and participated in this ritual, bad things could happen. But over the last two thousand years the real gets lost with the lukewarm beliefs of some Christians that do not want to commit….the arm chair Christians that sit in their lazyboys on Sunday and do not go to church. In the early days Christians risked their lives to gather and worship the Lord, but know a days you have to use a cattle prod to get them to go to church.

Good thing that Christ did not think that going through the passion and cross was an option or only symbolic. So sad and so wrong that Christian beliefs have deteriorated to the point that Acts 2:38 and the Blood and Wine Rituals are believed to be an option for salvation, that there is a new way….where arm chair Christians call the shots over and above the scriptures.
The statement rightly points out that Jesus began His teaching in John 6:53 with the double phrase “Truly, truly” (or “Most assuredly”), which in Jewish speech signaled that what followed was of the highest importance. Salvation is indeed central here, but we must remember that Jesus often used deeply symbolic, spiritual language to describe literal spiritual truths.

The audience hearing Him that day in Capernaum (John 6:59) struggled because they took His words in a purely physical sense, asking, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52). Jesus did not correct them by saying “No, no, you misunderstood, it’s only physical,” but He continued speaking in the same spiritual tone, because His aim was to point beyond the physical act to the deeper reality — total acceptance of Him and His sacrifice. This is confirmed when, after many disciples left, He explained, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). That verse shows us that eating His flesh and drinking His blood were not about physically consuming His body, but about spiritually receiving Him — His life, His death, His words — into the core of our being.

The “ritual” later practiced by the church — breaking bread and drinking wine — was indeed a powerful and commanded memorial (Luke 22:19–20). Jesus gave these elements as visible, tangible signs pointing to His body given and His blood shed for the remission of sins. Early believers did treat it with deep reverence, not because the bread and wine themselves were transformed into something magical in a way Scripture fully explains, but because they represented the living reality of union with Christ. The seriousness with which Paul warned the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 11:27–30) was not about the bread or wine becoming poison if approached wrongly, but about dishonoring the body and blood of the Lord through hypocrisy, selfishness, or unrepented sin while taking the symbols that point to His sacrifice.

The point about “armchair Christians” who treat worship as optional is sadly accurate — the early church risked everything to meet and remember Christ through teaching, prayer, breaking of bread, and fellowship (Acts 2:42). Yet, we must guard against thinking that the ritual itself, apart from true faith and repentance, has saving power. Salvation comes from Christ Himself, not from the bread and wine, but the bread and wine keep us anchored in the truth of what He has done.

So the “unanswered question” — What happens to the bread and wine during this ritual? — Scripture does not spell out a change in their substance. Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Luke 22:19), which means their primary function is memorial and proclamation until He comes again (1 Corinthians 11:26). They remain bread and wine, but in the act of faith, they become holy in meaning, setting our minds and hearts on the reality they represent — our living union with the crucified and risen Christ.

It must also be said plainly: the idea that God would ever command people to literally eat human flesh or drink human blood is unthinkable and utterly opposed to His holiness. Under God’s Law, the consuming of blood — even from animals — was strictly forbidden as detestable (Leviticus 17:10–14). How much more would it be an abomination to consume human blood or flesh. Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and reveal the Father’s will, would never call His followers to commit an act that God calls unclean. His words were always pointing to a higher, spiritual reality — not to something physically abhorrent and forbidden. To interpret His command in a crude, literal way is to miss His meaning entirely and to imagine something that God Himself would totally reject.
 

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Institution of the Lord's Supper​

Luk 22:14 When the hour had come, Jesus reclined at the table with His apostles.

Luk 22:15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering.

Luk 22:16 For I tell you that I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Luk 22:17 After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves.

Luk 22:18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”

Luk 22:19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

Luk 22:20 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

Luk 22:21 Look! The hand of My betrayer is with Mine on the table.

Luk 22:22 Indeed, the Son of Man will go as it has been determined, but woe to that man who betrays Him.”

Luk 22:23 Then they began to question among themselves which of them was going to do this.
LoveYeshua
That fact that something is in remembrance...
does not state HOW it is to be remembered.


Also, I'd like to say that Jesus did say IN REMEMBRANCE of Me.
There is a difference between memory and remembrance:

Memory involves the brain's capability to store, retain, and recall information and experiences, making it a fundamental component of cognitive function and learning. Whereas remembrance is more specific and often associated with the act of honoring or commemorating past events or individuals, usually in a formal or ceremonial context.


For anyone that might be interested...this is a good link:

 

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The statement rightly points out that Jesus began His teaching in John 6:53 with the double phrase “Truly, truly” (or “Most assuredly”), which in Jewish speech signaled that what followed was of the highest importance. Salvation is indeed central here, but we must remember that Jesus often used deeply symbolic, spiritual language to describe literal spiritual truths.

The audience hearing Him that day in Capernaum (John 6:59) struggled because they took His words in a purely physical sense, asking, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52). Jesus did not correct them by saying “No, no, you misunderstood, it’s only physical,” but He continued speaking in the same spiritual tone, because His aim was to point beyond the physical act to the deeper reality — total acceptance of Him and His sacrifice. This is confirmed when, after many disciples left, He explained, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). That verse shows us that eating His flesh and drinking His blood were not about physically consuming His body, but about spiritually receiving Him — His life, His death, His words — into the core of our being.

The “ritual” later practiced by the church — breaking bread and drinking wine — was indeed a powerful and commanded memorial (Luke 22:19–20). Jesus gave these elements as visible, tangible signs pointing to His body given and His blood shed for the remission of sins. Early believers did treat it with deep reverence, not because the bread and wine themselves were transformed into something magical in a way Scripture fully explains, but because they represented the living reality of union with Christ. The seriousness with which Paul warned the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 11:27–30) was not about the bread or wine becoming poison if approached wrongly, but about dishonoring the body and blood of the Lord through hypocrisy, selfishness, or unrepented sin while taking the symbols that point to His sacrifice.

The point about “armchair Christians” who treat worship as optional is sadly accurate — the early church risked everything to meet and remember Christ through teaching, prayer, breaking of bread, and fellowship (Acts 2:42). Yet, we must guard against thinking that the ritual itself, apart from true faith and repentance, has saving power. Salvation comes from Christ Himself, not from the bread and wine, but the bread and wine keep us anchored in the truth of what He has done.

So the “unanswered question” — What happens to the bread and wine during this ritual? — Scripture does not spell out a change in their substance. Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Luke 22:19), which means their primary function is memorial and proclamation until He comes again (1 Corinthians 11:26). They remain bread and wine, but in the act of faith, they become holy in meaning, setting our minds and hearts on the reality they represent — our living union with the crucified and risen Christ.

It must also be said plainly: the idea that God would ever command people to literally eat human flesh or drink human blood is unthinkable and utterly opposed to His holiness. Under God’s Law, the consuming of blood — even from animals — was strictly forbidden as detestable (Leviticus 17:10–14). How much more would it be an abomination to consume human blood or flesh. Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and reveal the Father’s will, would never call His followers to commit an act that God calls unclean. His words were always pointing to a higher, spiritual reality — not to something physically abhorrent and forbidden. To interpret His command in a crude, literal way is to miss His meaning entirely and to imagine something that God Himself would totally reject.
Just a side note, nothing happens to the bread and wine during consecration. As Augustine explain the "accidents of bread and wine remain" but the substance has changed.