Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Ronald Nolette]

That's sounds pretty but it doesn't really say anything does it? I've noticed over the years when I cite clear biblical text to people they often times feel compelled not tell me the text means something different than what is clearly written. Whenever that happens I wonder why it needs to. If I read, "The pencil is red" but someone tells me that it really means pink, what am I getting there? Truth or someone's opinion?

Well it dep[ends. I am a staunch literalist following the rules of accepted grammar and knowing of symbolic language.

But that says plenty what I wrote above! God and not man is the author of Scripture and He insured it would be error free in its original autographs.

I accept Gods opinion found through His word. and if you say it is red, and I say it is more pink, it would be because the original language says it is pinkish red

 

[nedsk]

Well it dep[ends. I am a staunch literalist following the rules of accepted grammar and knowing of symbolic language.

But that says plenty what I wrote above! God and not man is the author of Scripture and He insured it would be error free in its original autographs.

I accept Gods opinion found through His word. and if you say it is red, and I say it is more pink, it would be because the original language says it is pinkish red

Jesus says eat my flesh drink my blood for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. No where in Scripture does he say he meant it symbolically. Do you believe him? yes or no?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus says eat my flesh drink my blood for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. No where in Scripture does he say he meant it symbolically. Do you believe him? yes or no?

If we were to rely on just that passage alone, then I would agree with you. but there are more passages concerning the Lords Supper that we must draw from, as well as the Passover seder in which He pronounced a specific piece of unleavened bread and a specific cup, and all that they meant.

 

[nedsk]

If we were to rely on just that passage alone, then I would agree with you. but there are more passages concerning the Lords Supper that we must draw from, as well as the Passover seder in which He pronounced a specific piece of unleavened bread and a specific cup, and all that they meant.

So then please cite where Jesus says he was speaking symbolically when he said, eat my flesh and drink my blood for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. If you feel compelled to tell me what Jesus "really" meant then I get suspicious as it seems to me Jesus is speaking quite clearly and nothing elsewhere in Scripture contradicts him.

 

[Behold]

So then please cite where Jesus says he was speaking symbolically when he said

Where did Jesus say that taking communion is symbolic?
Its right where He said to "eat my Flesh and drink my Blood" and then He handed them a cup of wine and some bread from a bag.

And now you are handed some wine from a container and a plain white cookie that came from a plastic bag filled with thousands of them.

 

[nedsk]

If we were to rely on just that passage alone, then I would agree with you. but there are more passages concerning the Lords Supper that we must draw from, as well as the Passover seder in which He pronounced a specific piece of unleavened bread and a specific cup, and all that they meant.

So then please cite where Jesus says he was speaking symbolically when he said, eat my flesh and drink my blood for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Where did Jesus say that taking communion is symbolic?
Its right where He said to "eat my Flesh and drink my Blood" and then He handed them a cup of wine and some bread from a bag.

And now you are handed some wine from a container and a cookie that came from a plastic bag filled with them.

So Jesus cant make the bread his body and still have it look like bread unless he gets your approval right? You get to decide what Jesus can and cant you? We already know you think he needs to you to tell us what he "really" meant. You're not a person to take seriously. You're a characature of a Christian

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

Your view that a saved person can lose his salvation is not true, because the Bible proves that you are wrong.
The Bible says that salvation is a one time deal which happened when God chose His elect before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

1 John 2:19. The verse says, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us".

As you can see, your theory falls down like a house of cards, when you apply the truth of Gods Word to it

 

[GodsGrace]

Your view that a saved person can lose his salvation is not true, because the Bible proves that you are wrong.
The Bible says that salvation is a one time deal which happened when God chose His elect before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

1 John 2:19. The verse says, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us".

As you can see, your theory falls down like a house of cards, when you apply the truth of Gods Word to it

You funny Christian Soldier !
@LoveYeshua will have to handle this since I find it impossible to converse with you,,,,,
but I would ask you some questions:

You post
Ephesians 1:4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,


Read carefully.....
1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?

2. HOW did God predestine us?
As WHAT?


You see,,,God did not predestine persons to salvation...
He predestines WHAT they would be and HOW they would be saved.

IF God had predestined persons...
He would have been breaking HIS very will:

Here's how:

1. God desires that ALL men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2. God gives to everyone an equal chance:


Romans 2:10-11
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.


Ah, the wonders of Calvinism....
causing conflict after conflict in the very word of God.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You funny Christian Soldier !
@LoveYeshua will have to handle this since I find it impossible to converse with you,,,,,
but I would ask you some questions:

You post
Ephesians 1:4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,


Read carefully.....
1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?

2. HOW did God predestine us?
As WHAT?


You see,,,God did not predestine persons to salvation...
He predestines WHAT they would be and HOW they would be saved.

IF God had predestined persons...
He would have been breaking HIS very will:

Here's how:

1. God desires that ALL men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2. God gives to everyone an equal chance:


Romans 2:10-11
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.


Ah, the wonders of Calvinism....
causing conflict after conflict in the very word of God.

I'm not going to answer your questions, with my private opinions. I don't do that, i always refer you to what God said. I notice all of your theories are based on your own private opinion and none are based on what God said about the matter.

You ask, "1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?"

According to your private opinion, you believe God didn't chose anyone for salvation??? BUT1 Here's what God said >>>

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

See how Gods Word exposes your private opinion, as false. God said He chose His elect for salvation before He created the world, but you obviously don't believe what God says when it exposes your theology as being false.

God hasn't revealed why He chose His elect, so you have no business demanding that God explain, why He did what He di to you. Who are you to put God on trial, as if you have the authority to charge God with being unjust.

Yes God does desire "All" men to be saved, meaning men from every tribe and tongue. And "Not just the Jews". You really ought to ask you teacher to explain what the word "Context" means, and then apply it when you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You funny Christian Soldier !
@LoveYeshua will have to handle this since I find it impossible to converse with you,,,,,
but I would ask you some questions:

You post
Ephesians 1:4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,


Read carefully.....
1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?

2. HOW did God predestine us?
As WHAT?


You see,,,God did not predestine persons to salvation...
He predestines WHAT they would be and HOW they would be saved.

IF God had predestined persons...
He would have been breaking HIS very will:

Here's how:

1. God desires that ALL men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


2. God gives to everyone an equal chance:


Romans 2:10-11
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.


Ah, the wonders of Calvinism....
causing conflict after conflict in the very word of God.

what is the origin of this conflict? why did calvin say this?

 

[JLB]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

You left out the rest of the verse.

Why?

Because it shows us how that salvation is realized.

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13


God wants everyone to be saved.


For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Do you believe God loves the people of the world?

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not going to answer your questions, with my private opinions. I don't do that, i always refer you to what God said. I notice all of your theories are based on your own private opinion and none are based on what God said about the matter.

You ask, "1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?"

According to your private opinion, you believe God didn't chose anyone for salvation??? BUT1 Here's what God said >>>

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

See how Gods Word exposes your private opinion, as false. God said He chose His elect for salvation before He created the world, but you obviously don't believe what God says when it exposes your theology as being false.

God hasn't revealed why He chose His elect, so you have no business demanding that God explain, why He did what He di to you. Who are you to put God on trial, as if you have the authority to charge God with being unjust.

Yes God does desire "All" men to be saved, meaning men from every tribe and tongue. And "Not just the Jews". You really ought to ask you teacher to explain what the word "Context" means, and then apply it when you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context.

Let's find out together what CONTEXT means, because CS,,,IF you were right,,,
the NT is full of contradiction and is not to be trusted.

But, alas, the NT, the word of God, has a wonderful way of explaining itself.

Let's see what you left out of
2 Thessalonians 2:13 (something Calvinists do often)
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because * they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And, as you can see, verse 13 goes on to explain HOW God predestined...not WHO,....
"for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit".

God has chosen from the beginning that those who believe will be saved through sanctification.

It is always WHAT or HOW or PURPOSE.
It is NEVER WHO.


Now let's look at verse 10....
The wicked perish because " they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved."

THEY DID NOT RECEIVE.
THEY DID NOT ACCEPT....so as to be saved.

As we can establish here, by the very verse YOU posted,
is that a person HEARS the word and then MUST RECEIVE it in order to be saved.

Just as Paul states:
Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Romans 10:17
NOT
By God having predestined PERSONS to salvation.

Again,,,IF God predestined persons to salvation....
the NT would be FULL of conflict.

Praise God,,,it is NOT.
And ANYONE can be saved, if they so wish.

 

[GodsGrace]

what is the origin of this conflict? why did calvin say this?

Every single letter in the acronym TULIP is not biblical.
There is no conflict.
Calvinists CREATE conflict with their belief system.
What they post on these threads create more conflict than I care to consider.
There would be no reason to trust the NT IF they were correct.

I'm not sure what you're referring to by "why did Calvin say this"?
He said a lot that is not found in the bible.
He said a lot that was never taught in the early church but only came about after the reformation.

IF God CHOOSES WHO will be saved....
then why does the NT state that God desires ALL MEN to be saved?
Calvinists believe God only loves the saved.
John states that God loves EVERYONE (the world).
etc.

And that is only two conflicts.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I'm not going to answer your questions, with my private opinions. I don't do that, i always refer you to what God said. I notice all of your theories are based on your own private opinion and none are based on what God said about the matter.

You ask, "1. WHAT did God choose before the foundation of the world?
Did God choose us....or choose us TO BE SOMETHING?"

According to your private opinion, you believe God didn't chose anyone for salvation??? BUT1 Here's what God said >>>

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

See how Gods Word exposes your private opinion, as false. God said He chose His elect for salvation before He created the world, but you obviously don't believe what God says when it exposes your theology as being false.

God hasn't revealed why He chose His elect, so you have no business demanding that God explain, why He did what He di to you. Who are you to put God on trial, as if you have the authority to charge God with being unjust.

Yes God does desire "All" men to be saved, meaning men from every tribe and tongue. And "Not just the Jews". You really ought to ask you teacher to explain what the word "Context" means, and then apply it when you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context.

Yes, the Bible does talk about God choosing people, but not in the way some think of “predestination,” where a person’s fate is fixed before they’re even born. When we look at the Old Testament, Jesus, and His disciples, we see something much more open and loving.

In the Old Testament, God chose Israel to be His people — not because they were better, but because He loved them and had a purpose for them (Deuteronomy 7:6–8). That choosing wasn’t about guaranteed salvation; it was about being called to live rightly and show God’s ways to the world. God also made it clear that every person has a choice. In Deuteronomy 30:19, He said, “I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live.” This shows that God’s calling is an invitation, not a force. Therefore we must choose to answer it. And even then, His plan always pointed to all nations being included, as He said through Isaiah that the Messiah would be “a light to the Gentiles” (Isaiah 49:6).

When Jesus spoke about being chosen, He made it clear that it’s connected to hearing and following Him. He said, “Many are called, but few are chosen” (Matthew 22:14), meaning that the invitation is open to everyone, but only those who truly accept and live it out are the chosen ones. In John 15:16, He told His disciples, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you,” showing that He calls us for a purpose, that is to bear fruit and do good.

Jesus also said, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27). So being chosen isn’t about fate; it’s about relationship it's about hearing His voice, believing, and following. The disciples understood it the same way. Peter said that God “is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). He also said that “in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:34–35). God calls everyone and sets before us the choice of life or death, truth or rejection. Those who listen, believe, and obey are the ones who become His chosen. It’s not about destiny being locked in, it is about responding to God’s open call with a willing heart.

 

[Behold]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

Your verse has a context, which is Eph 1:4

The context is chosen 'IN Christ"........so, it by being "in Christ" you are chosen.
Its by being "in Chrsit" that you will eventually be conformed into the image"
Everyone whom God predestines....has to be "IN CHRIST " and then what is predestined will happen, next.


Now i have 2 questions for you. @Christian Soldier

You have been taught the lie of Hyper-Calvinism........and that is....."God predestines some for heaven, which means God predestined some for Hell".

This means that some in YOUR FAMILY are "predestined for Hell", according to what YOU Believe @Christian Soldier

1.) So, who are they in your family, that God predestined for Hell. ?? Mother, Father, Siblings, Grandmother?... Who???

2.) Why did God predestine some of your family members for Hell, while He predestined you for heaven.. you believe?

 

[Christian Soldier]

You left out the rest of the verse.

Why?

Because it shows us how that salvation is realized.

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13


God wants everyone to be saved.


For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Do you believe God loves the people of the world?

I responded to another member who denies the fact that God chose His people for salvation, before He made the earth. The other member tried to convince me that God never chose anyone for salvation, they claim that God only chose them for service. They didn't know that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 confirms that fact that God chose His people for salvation and not for service as the other member falsely claims.
Anyhow, I was glad to correct the member and teach them something they never knew before.

It's OK to admit that you are wrong, when someone corrects you. A wise man loves you for correcting him but a fool hates you for it.

I'm not sure what point if any, you're tying to make by stating that I left out half of the verse?. Do you have something to say about it?

God does not want everyone to be saved, you just made that up. Show me where the Bible says such a silly thing?.

The Bible never ever teaches that God wants everyone to be saved, if He wanted that then that's what He would get, because the God of the Bible always gets everything He wants. You must be talking about some other god.

Why must you twist Gods Word to make it say something entirely different. Why can't you accept what God said as He said it, do you think God need you to correct Him and say "this is what God meant to say, but He failed articulate Himself so I had to step in and correct Him". God promised to torment those who add or take away from His word, in the lake of fire.

I don't believe that God loves the people of the world, but I do believe He hates the people of the world, before they are even born. He only loves Himself and those who are in Him.
He didn't kill billions of men, women, children and unborn children in their mother womb, because He loved them. No, He killed them with Noahs flood because He hates them.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus, will cast the majority of the worlds people, into thew lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity, because He loves them. Well, think again.

Romans 9:11-14
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!

As you can see God hates certain people, before they are even born. So deal with it.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Let's find out together what CONTEXT means, because CS,,,IF you were right,,,
the NT is full of contradiction and is not to be trusted.

But, alas, the NT, the word of God, has a wonderful way of explaining itself.

Let's see what you left out of
2 Thessalonians 2:13 (something Calvinists do often)
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because * they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And, as you can see, verse 13 goes on to explain HOW God predestined...not WHO,....
"for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit".

God has chosen from the beginning that those who believe will be saved through sanctification.

It is always WHAT or HOW or PURPOSE.
It is NEVER WHO.


Now let's look at verse 10....
The wicked perish because " they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved."

THEY DID NOT RECEIVE.
THEY DID NOT ACCEPT....so as to be saved.

As we can establish here, by the very verse YOU posted,
is that a person HEARS the word and then MUST RECEIVE it in order to be saved.

Just as Paul states:
Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Romans 10:17
NOT
By God having predestined PERSONS to salvation.

Again,,,IF God predestined persons to salvation....
the NT would be FULL of conflict.

Praise God,,,it is NOT.
And ANYONE can be saved, if they so wish.

No, no no no. My verses destroy your verses, that's why you can't deal with any of my verses and your only defence is to resort to unrelated verses which have nothing to do with predestination to salvation.

You obviously reject what God has said, because it exposes your private opinion as being false.

You must be trolling, because everyone knows that God wrote the names of every single one of His elect, in His book before He created the world. So, for your theology to float, you need to trash more than half of the NT.

You can't claim to be a believer, while you don't believe what the majority of the New Testament is saying. I know many denominations cherry pick the Bible, you only believe the bits you like and throw the rest into the trash can. But Gods Word warns against doing this, the punishment for doing so is unspeakably horrific.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes, the Bible does talk about God choosing people, but not in the way some think of “predestination,” where a person’s fate is fixed before they’re even born. When we look at the Old Testament, Jesus, and His disciples, we see something much more open and loving.

In the Old Testament, God chose Israel to be His people — not because they were better, but because He loved them and had a purpose for them (Deuteronomy 7:6–8). That choosing wasn’t about guaranteed salvation; it was about being called to live rightly and show God’s ways to the world. God also made it clear that every person has a choice. In Deuteronomy 30:19, He said, “I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live.” This shows that God’s calling is an invitation, not a force. Therefore we must choose to answer it. And even then, His plan always pointed to all nations being included, as He said through Isaiah that the Messiah would be “a light to the Gentiles” (Isaiah 49:6).

When Jesus spoke about being chosen, He made it clear that it’s connected to hearing and following Him. He said, “Many are called, but few are chosen” (Matthew 22:14), meaning that the invitation is open to everyone, but only those who truly accept and live it out are the chosen ones. In John 15:16, He told His disciples, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you,” showing that He calls us for a purpose, that is to bear fruit and do good.

Jesus also said, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27). So being chosen isn’t about fate; it’s about relationship it's about hearing His voice, believing, and following. The disciples understood it the same way. Peter said that God “is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). He also said that “in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:34–35). God calls everyone and sets before us the choice of life or death, truth or rejection. Those who listen, believe, and obey are the ones who become His chosen. It’s not about destiny being locked in, it is about responding to God’s open call with a willing heart.

Your theory falls apart like a house of cards when you shine the light of scripture on it. None of what you claim is supported by any scripture, it's all based on your own private interpretation and we knew there are between 7 and 8 billion opposing opinions and interpretations, so your in good company.

Gods Word destroys every one of your opinions, you claim that God never chose anyone for salvation, but the Bible destroys that opinion in >>>>

Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

You simply can't get around the fact that, you don't get to chose salvation for yourself. That choice is Gods alone, man has nothing to do with who God chose to save before He created the earth. He actually wrote each individuals name in His book, thousands of years before we were born.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Your verse has a context, which is Eph 1:4

The context is chosen 'IN Christ"........so, it by being "in Christ" you are chosen.
Its by being "in Chrsit" that you will eventually be conformed into the image"
Everyone whom God predestines....has to be "IN CHRIST " and then what is predestined will happen, next.


Now i have 2 questions for you. @Christian Soldier

You have been taught the lie of Hyper-Calvinism........and that is....."God predestines some for heaven, which means God predestined some for Hell".

This means that some in YOUR FAMILY are "predestined for Hell", according to what YOU Believe @Christian Soldier

1.) So, who are they in your family, that God predestined for Hell. ?? Mother, Father, Siblings, Grandmother?... Who???

2.) Why did God predestine some of your family members for Hell, while He predestined you for heaven.. you believe?

Your theology is twisted back to front. How do you suppose that people have to be in Christ, before they are chosen for salvation.
Don't you even know the basic fact that those of us who are in Christ, are already saved. God doesn't adopt His chosen children after they have been saved. His adopted children are saved and then they become members of His Kingdom.

We are not grafted into the Body of Christ and then, chosen for salvation. That's backward doctrine and it can't be true, because thew scriptures refute it.

As an Elect Saint of God, I let God be God. I don't put Him on trial and interrogate Him and demand that He answers all of my questions, because God is a mystery. We will never know why He does what He does, all we know is what He revealed in the Bible, and the other 99.99999% will remain a mystery.

Who God chose to save before He created the world, and why Hod chose to save them, and why He leaves others dead in their sin and condemned to hell, ius none of my business. I don't want to know, because He has deliberately hidden these things from us.
Now if I stick my nose into His business, then I would be condemned as a Witch or Sorcerer.

Don't you know that God destroys those who consult Witches or practice Sorcery, or necromancy, or dabble in Pharmakia (drugs). Haven't you heard about Saul, he consulted a Witch and died that very night. So why didn't you learn anything from his example.

 

[GodsGrace]

I responded to another member who denies the fact that God chose His people for salvation, before He made the earth. The other member tried to convince me that God never chose anyone for salvation, they claim that God only chose them for service. They didn't know that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 confirms that fact that God chose His people for salvation and not for service as the other member falsely claims.
Anyhow, I was glad to correct the member and teach them something they never knew before.

It's OK to admit that you are wrong, when someone corrects you. A wise man loves you for correcting him but a fool hates you for it.

I'm not sure what point if any, you're tying to make by stating that I left out half of the verse?. Do you have something to say about it?

God does not want everyone to be saved, you just made that up. Show me where the Bible says such a silly thing?.

The Bible never ever teaches that God wants everyone to be saved, if He wanted that then that's what He would get, because the God of the Bible always gets everything He wants. You must be talking about some other god.

Why must you twist Gods Word to make it say something entirely different. Why can't you accept what God said as He said it, do you think God need you to correct Him and say "this is what God meant to say, but He failed articulate Himself so I had to step in and correct Him". God promised to torment those who add or take away from His word, in the lake of fire.

I don't believe that God loves the people of the world, but I do believe He hates the people of the world, before they are even born. He only loves Himself and those who are in Him.
He didn't kill billions of men, women, children and unborn children in their mother womb, because He loved them. No, He killed them with Noahs flood because He hates them.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus, will cast the majority of the worlds people, into thew lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity, because He loves them. Well, think again.

Romans 9:11-14
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!

As you can see God hates certain people, before they are even born. So deal with it.

As I can see, you have no understanding of scripture.
You're even unable to understand what I post to you...
which is why it's so difficult to post to you.

You could read my posts to you again and see if you can understand what is being said
and then maybe reply back.

Your above post is not going to get a response because you put words into my mouth that I've not said and do not reply to my points.