Is Jesus a Man That God Selected?

[Wrangler]

Using standard language usage and keeping 2 COR 1:13, in mind, (there is no hidden meaning in our letters) the inescapable conclusion or take away from the verse below is yes. Based on this verse, if you conclude the answer is no, what reading skills, logic and definitions supports that conclusion?

To re-iterate, this thread is only studying one verse, Acts 17:31. If you recognize the answer is affirmative, you have to ask yourself, in keeping 2 COR 1:13 in mind, why would there be such a verse in Scripture worded like this?


He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.
Acts 17:31 (Voice)

 

[bbyrd009]

i would beware of those inescapable conclusions

but to develop my reply we would have to have a discussion about how citizens are inevitably used as batteries, at least "in the world"
Iceland or the Netherlands might be an exception there though. dunno

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Jesus has always existed.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus has always existed.

"existence" implies "objective evidence," so id hafta disagree

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

"existence" implies "objective evidence," so id hafta disagree

yall JW’s are crazy to deny the Trinity.

 

[Bob Estey]

Using standard language usage and keeping 2 COR 1:13, in mind, (there is no hidden meaning in our letters) the inescapable conclusion or take away from the verse below is yes. Based on this verse, if you conclude the answer is no, what reading skills, logic and definitions supports that conclusion?

To re-iterate, this thread is only studying one verse, Acts 17:31. If you recognize the answer is affirmative, you have to ask yourself, in keeping 2 COR 1:13 in mind, why would there be such a verse in Scripture worded like this?


He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.
Acts 17:31 (Voice)

I think Jesus is God in flesh, not a man God selected.

 

[Wrangler]

I think Jesus is God in flesh, not a man God selected.

Sure but how are you reaching that conclusion from the text in question?

 

[Wrangler]

yall JW’s are crazy to deny the Trinity.

I'm not JW but a unitarian Christian.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I'm not JW but a unitarian Christian.

potato/potatoe. False doctrine is still false despite a name change.

 

[Wrangler]

potato/potatoe. False doctrine is still false despite a name change.

Appeal to Ad Hominem.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Heres Pipers solution to dealing with false doctrines.

“Christians, and shepherds in particular, should be discerning and alert to behavior and teaching that dishonors Christ and destroys people — and not treat it in a casual or harmless way.

And then in 1 Timothy 5:19–20, Paul went beyond just “avoid them” to “rebuke them publicly.” So, speaking of elders who persist in error, he said, “Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin” — and that can be sin of false doctrine or sin of evil behavior, anyone who does not accept correction — “rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear..”

And then Paul went on and actually named destructive false teachers:

• “Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me” (2 Timothy 4:10).
• “You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes” (2 Timothy 1:15).
• “By rejecting this [faith and a good conscience], some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander” (1 Timothy 1:19–20).
• “Their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus” (2 Timothy 2:17).

Paul names at least six false teachers that the church should watch out for.

So, I infer from Jesus and Paul and Luke and John that false teaching and destructive behavior are present dangers in this fallen world for the church. And all of us — especially shepherds, pastors — should be alert and discerning to identify and, in appropriate ways, expose. In order to protect the flock, we should expose them and minimize the spread of the gangrene (as Paul calls it)”

numerous people have seen your false doctrines on here wrangler, and despite being called out on them, you persist with it.

Piper continues on, saying

“But for now, our job is indeed to do mouth judgment, writing judgment, behavior judgment — not a heart judgment, but mouth and writing and behavior judgment. When a mouth speaks unbiblical, destructive teaching, when a blog or an article or a book publishes unbiblical and destructive teaching, when a body — a human body, a physical body — behaves with unbiblical and destructive behavior, in all these cases, we are to be discerning. And according to Ephesians 5:11, we are to expose the error. “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” “Censure them; show them to be wrong” is what the word elegchō means.”

For me, i will now be ignoring you for your false doctrines.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Using standard language usage and keeping 2 COR 1:13, in mind, (there is no hidden meaning in our letters) the inescapable conclusion or take away from the verse below is yes. Based on this verse, if you conclude the answer is no, what reading skills, logic and definitions supports that conclusion?

To re-iterate, this thread is only studying one verse, Acts 17:31. If you recognize the answer is affirmative, you have to ask yourself, in keeping 2 COR 1:13 in mind, why would there be such a verse in Scripture worded like this?


He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.
Acts 17:31 (Voice)

The answer is self-evidently "yes." It says it right there. In fact many more verses could probably be produced serving this point. Let me think...

Psalm 1:1 says "Blessed is the man who has not walked in the counsel of the ungodly, and has not stood in the way of sinners, and has not sat in the seat of pestilent men."

This is said chiefly of Christ and it says "the man."

 

[Bob Estey]

Sure but how are you reaching that conclusion from the text in question?

It's a conclusion I reached long ago.

 

[Pearl]

Jesus has always existed.

Amen to that. @Lifelong_sinner
Is Jesus a Man That God Selected? is the question asked in the OP. Jesus was and is God's son who was with him from the beginning of time. If he was 'selected' then it was because he was the only one who could pay the price for our sin and I would say it was more that he volunteered to come to earth as a baby and die on a cross of execution.

If Jesus isn't God, then what and who do these verses refer to?

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

 

[Wrangler]

It's a conclusion I reached long ago.

Sure but my question was not WHEN but HOW such a conclusion reached in light of such verses as the OP?

 

[kcnalp]

"Is Jesus a Man That God Selected?"
Well Jesus is God, unless you're JW.

 

[Pearl]

"Is Jesus a Man That God Selected?"
Well Jesus is God, unless you're JW.

YES!!!

 

[charity]

Using standard language usage and keeping 2 COR 1:13, in mind, (there is no hidden meaning in our letters) the inescapable conclusion or take away from the verse below is yes. Based on this verse, if you conclude the answer is no, what reading skills, logic and definitions supports that conclusion?

To re-iterate, this thread is only studying one verse, Acts 17:31. If you recognize the answer is affirmative, you have to ask yourself, in keeping 2 COR 1:13 in mind, why would there be such a verse in Scripture worded like this?

He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead. Acts 17:31

'Because He (God) hath appointed a day,
in the which He will judge the world in righteousness
by that man whom He hath ordained;
whereof He hath given assurance unto all men,
in that He hath raised him from the dead.'
(Act 17:31)
See Acts 17:22-33

Hello @Wrangler,

The answer as to why Paul used such terminology, is found in to whom he is addressing. He is talking to men, religious men, but Idolaters, the city of Athens containing evidence of the many gods worshipped among them. Paul brings them down to earth with reference to the Lord Jesus Christ as being a 'Man': though a Man that God had ordained; Ordained for what? To judge the world in righteousness.

Being both, 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man: Who, but He is so wonderfully equipped to judge righteously? Praise His Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Q) Is Jesus a Man That God Selected?
A) No! He is a Man of God's begetting!

 

[bbyrd009]

yall JW’s are crazy to deny the Trinity.

fwiw its more trinity doctrine that i dont buy

 

[kcnalp]

Trinity:
Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Name is singular.