Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[Marvelloustime]

And worse most christains have no idea they are being led even against CHRIST and the true christains .
How often has persecution arisen ALSO by those who wore wool against true sheep .
THIS will be no different my friend .
The entire realm of the merged inclusive ecumenical interfaith false love religoin
IS as one mind already being led INTO UPMOST rebellion against the VERY GOD they think they follow
against the very Christ those trapped in sold out churches THINK is CHRIST
A judgment , a snare has been sent .
THAT v ery few are aware of now . The j udgment of delusion onto a generation that simply
refused to repent , to love the truth , and thus are being given over to the LIE .
The LIE they think is love and is lov ing . The lie of the great ecumenical harlot who s its upon many waters .
And she and her children and all who merged under the love of a harlot
WILL be damned . SO , lets get busy exposing her works and her false love
BY PREACHING JESUS AND THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

You didn't respond to my question but it sounds like you believe that people who won't be following Christ will be enjoying the fruits of God's Kingdom. You should stick to spreading the word of God instead of your own.

I think you are limiting God's mercy to your own advantage. Do you think that God gives mercy to the unmerciful?

 

[Taken]

Yes it is error, those verses dont support you

Yes your error.
No one can understand for you.

 

[Episkopos]

I think you are limiting God's mercy to your own advantage. Do you think that God gives mercy to the unmerciful?

And in your opinion how would God assess your own attempt at Christ-following?

 

[Lizbeth]

You are not seeing the context of who Jesus is addressing. Among God's people all who don't believe in Jesus are condemned...and that was directed at the Jews...and to Nicodemus specifically. Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel.

Likewise there is a LOT of unbelief among Christians...which can condemn them. Very few believed that the Israelites could conquer the Promised Land. Just like most modern believers don't believe they can walk in victory over sin...even by the resurrection power of Christ!!! Such unbelief. Will God reward this?

Hmm, so you are saying the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved and inherit eternal life, but He makes an exception in the case of unbelieving Jews or Christians of weak faith? I guess God didn't so love quite the entire world after all in that case (using your own reasoning). No mercy triumphing over judgment after all, for unbelieving Jews and weak faith Christians, then.. Also, there are even some "righteous" living unbelieving Jews, just as there are some among unbelieving Gentiles....what happens to them according to you? Their own righteousness is sufficient to save unbelieving Gentiles but not unbelieving Jews? I'm afraid there are so many problems with your teachings.

 

[Jack]

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Episkopos]

Hmm, so you are saying the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved and inherit eternal life, but He makes an exception in the case of unbelieving Jews or Christians of weak faith?

This is typical of an unbalanced thinking.

I guess God didn't so love quite the entire world after all in that case (using your own reasoning). No mercy triumphing over judgment after all, for unbelieving Jews and weak faith Christians, then.. Also, there are even some "righteous" living unbelieving Jews, just as there are some among unbelieving Gentiles....what happens to them according to you? Their own righteousness is sufficient to save unbelieving Gentiles but not unbelieving Jews? I'm afraid there are so many problems with your teachings.

More unbalanced thinking. You need to try understanding God's ways without the self-interest.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hmm, so you are saying the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved and inherit eternal life, but He makes an exception in the case of unbelieving Jews or Christians of weak faith? I guess God didn't so love quite the entire world after all in that case (using your own reasoning). No mercy triumphing over judgment after all, for unbelieving Jews and weak faith Christians, then.. Also, there are even some "righteous" living unbelieving Jews, just as there are some among unbelieving Gentiles....what happens to them according to you? Their own righteousness is sufficient to save unbelieving Gentiles but not unbelieving Jews? I'm afraid there are so many problems with your teachings.

He does beleive inclusvism sister .
But as we both know the righteouness of man cannot save him.
They beleive that the SPIRIT is at work amongst even unbeleivers etc .
but have long forgotten
WHO then can be saved .
WITH MAN this is IMPOSSIBLE but not WITH GOD . AND GOD CHOSE to save the world
by the preaching of JESUS to save those who do BELEIVE .

 

[JLB]

Look JLB, you do not get it do you, I'm amazed. Many scripture is formed in a type poetic language. I believe you need to learn more about how scripture is represented. You must know the culture and style of writing and speaking, a couple of thousand years back and more. It's for the advanced student who would understand this subject.

And stop crying about it and learn, without sobbing and bringing in the evil one into the conversation... you are confusing...

‘Those who deny scripture deny the truth.

If you choose this way then you choose the end result of your way.



May the Lord open your eyes.

 

[JLB]

Consider that there are many Scriptures that are songs, and poetry, and even written in a creedal fashion. These are not any less inspired Scripture than are the prose, didactic, and narrative portions.

Much love!

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


Do you believe God was manifested in the flesh?

 

[amigo de christo]

Hmm, so you are saying the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved and inherit eternal life, but He makes an exception in the case of unbelieving Jews or Christians of weak faith? I guess God didn't so love quite the entire world after all in that case (using your own reasoning). No mercy triumphing over judgment after all, for unbelieving Jews and weak faith Christians, then.. Also, there are even some "righteous" living unbelieving Jews, just as there are some among unbelieving Gentiles....what happens to them according to you? Their own righteousness is sufficient to save unbelieving Gentiles but not unbelieving Jews? I'm afraid there are so many problems with your teachings.

On the path of inclusivism
as it has made the path to GOD very broad ,
soon about the only ones this so called inclusive univesal lovey do world
WILL see as NOT BEING ON the path to GOD , ARE THE SHEEP SISTER .
Everyone else who goes with its flow will have no problem beleiving
Its fine to beleive as thou wilt , unless IT bE THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL . mark them words sister .
Its okay to be a buddist they say or atheist , or mulsim or etc , so long as one just feeds the poor
and follows this inclusive ecumencial LIE of what IT says is love and is of GOD .
BUT it has one enemy , AND IT darn sure IS NOT okay for that enemy to BELEIVE as it DO
cause its enemy BE the sheep , be the one true gospel , BE the love of GOD .
Satan is a slick one indeed sister . AND HE KNOWS how to lie and to merge the DECIEVED to be as one .
And HE is no f riend to the GOSPEL OF T RUTH at all . cause HE KNOWS that if one
BELEIVES IN CHRIST , THEY FREED , THEY saved , THEY HAVE E T ERNAL LIFE
and shall not face the SECOND death . HE sure is a liar , a theif and a robber all right

 

[Wrangler]

Hmm, so you are saying the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved and inherit eternal life, but He makes an exception in the case of unbelieving Jews or Christians of weak faith?

Can you point to the post where @Episkopos said the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved? IF not, you dear sister, have shown yourself to be a false witness! And should be ashamed of yourself.

This is typical of an unbalanced thinking.

More unbalanced thinking. You need to try understanding God's ways without the self-interest.

Lizbeth, I agree with Episkopos here. One of the most insufferable things of Christians is their self-righteousness, falsely believing that just because they say they believe in Jesus, they will be saved - and anyone who doesn't will be damned.

Curious is your jealousy for unbelievers being save since our Lord said @ John 21:22
“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

In other words, no matter what Jesus' pronouncement is toward Gentiles, it does not absolve believers of the burden to follow him. And no believer can believe they are safe in light of Jesus words that even those who performed miracles in his name were never known by him. Now, before you clutch your pearls that what we are saying is blasphemy and goes against doctrine from the beginning, have a care that you heed 1 Peter 4:17
God has already begun judging his own people. And if his judgment begins with us, imagine how terrible it will be for those who refuse to obey his message.

Putting aside your personal attack of what @Episkopos is saying that offends you so, how do you read 1 Peter 4:17 in terms of a supposed guarantee of escaping judgement? To me, the answer is simple. Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Real faith is about action. Lip service will not breach the gates of heaven. Action gains entry, even action of those who never knew Jesus. We are not saved by our own works but our works reveal our true faith. Do you consider it justice for a man who lived in a time and place to never know Jesus but did the will of YHWH should be destroyed on Judgement Day? What spirit animates your heart?

 

[Episkopos]

Can you point to the post where @Episkopos said the whole world of unbelieving Gentiles will be saved? IF not, you dear sister, have shown yourself to be a false witness! And should be ashamed of yourself.


Lizbeth, I agree with Episkopos here. One of the most insufferable things of Christians is their self-righteousness, falsely believing that just because they say they believe in Jesus, they will be saved - and anyone who doesn't will be damned.

Curious is your jealousy for unbelievers being save since our Lord said @ John 21:22
“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

In other words, no matter what Jesus' pronouncement is toward Gentiles, it does not absolve believers of the burden to follow him. And no believer can believe they are safe in light of Jesus words that even those who performed miracles in his name were never known by him. Now, before you clutch your pearls that what we are saying is blasphemy and goes against doctrine from the beginning, have a care that you heed 1 Peter 4:17
God has already begun judging his own people. And if his judgment begins with us, imagine how terrible it will be for those who refuse to obey his message.

Putting aside your personal attack of what @Episkopos is saying that offends you so, how do you read 1 Peter 4:17 in terms of a supposed guarantee of escaping judgement? To me, the answer is simple. Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Real faith is about action. Lip service will not breach the gates of heaven. Action gains entry, even action of those who never knew Jesus. We are not saved by our own works but our works reveal our true faith. Do you consider it justice for a man who lived in a time and place to never know Jesus but did the will of YHWH should be destroyed on Judgement Day? What spirit animates your heart?

This is one of the better posts I have read in response to my positions. It also reveals how difficult it is to speak with people who justify themselves based on their beliefs.

Fundamentalists are like a flock of turkeys who disdain the pigs going to slaughter...not realizing that thanksgiving is right around the corner..

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hi Brother Episkopos, how are you all? While reviewing the video again, you might have mentioned: and I also mentioned to my Wife, GOD being the Spirit, and His Only Begotten Son is the Saviour of the world, scripture:

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The Bible states that Jesus is the Savior of the world, as seen in 1 John 4:14, which says, "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world." This emphasizes the belief that Jesus is the one who provides salvation for all people.
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Key Scriptures About God as the Savior of the World​

1. 1 John 4:14​

• "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world."

2. John 3:16​

• "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."

3. John 1:29​

• "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!'"

4. 1 Timothy 4:10​

• "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe."

5. Acts 5:31​

• "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins."

6. Titus 2:11​

• "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people."

These verses collectively affirm the belief that God, through Jesus Christ, is the Savior of the world, offering salvation and eternal life to all who believe.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Wrangler]

This is one of the better posts I have read in response to my positions.

We don‘t always agree but we agree on some things. Happy to come to your defense here.

It also reveals how difficult it is to speak with people who justify themselves based on their beliefs.

Fundamentalists are like a flock of turkeys who disdain the pigs going to slaughter...not realizing that thanksgiving is right around the corner..

You think those who oppose our position are fundamentalists? I’ve come to see the opponents in broader terms, the over-spiritualized. Victims of hyper-grace, making themselves irrelevant in the public square.

It’s epidemic in Christiandom, where they are hostile to the soulful needs of the body, to do justice (Micah 6:8), having contempt for it all, dismissing it as fleshy, worldly, sinful.

I‘ve written extensively on this in 2 threads: Reasons FOR the Crusades and Pointing out murder.

 

[Episkopos]

We don‘t always agree but we agree on some things. Happy to come to your defense here.



You think those who oppose our position are fundamentalists? I’ve come to see the opponents in broader terms, the over-spiritualized. Victims of hyper-grace, making themselves irrelevant in the public square.

It’s epidemic in Christiandom, where they are hostile to the soulful needs of the body, to do justice (Micah 6:8), having contempt for it all, dismissing it as fleshy, worldly, sinful.

I‘ve written extensively on this in 2 threads: Reasons FOR the Crusades and Pointing out murder.

I use the term "fundamentalist" in this context to differentiate these people from the "universalists" that are ever increasing in church circles....and this in reaction to the hypocrites among the "over-spiritualized" as you put it.

The bible calls out those who take away righteousness from the righteous, mercy from the merciful, and humility from the humble...in order to justify themselves in their tiny religious minds and justify the similarly wicked by promising them life...

 

[shepherdsword]

I watched part of the video and I found a valid point that I agree upon. It was something that the Lord showed me years ago. The bible contains two trees. The tree of knowledge and the tree of life. If our approach is purely academic then we will only eat from the tree that increases knowledge and find only death. However, if we approach it as the living and vibrate Word itself then we can consume it as the spiritual food it was meant to be...and find life. Jesus said this to the Pharisees:

Jn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Do we think Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees for a lack of intellectual knowledge here?

Mk 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Think about it...the Pharisees and scribes were master scholars. They were filled with an intellectual knowledge of the bible.
What they didn't "KNOW" was an intimacy with the living Word himself that would produce the fruit God desired. Knowledge such as this:

Ge 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived...

When we truly "know" (not in the gnostic sense) the word, we shall conceive as well.

Mk 3:33-35 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Episkopos]

I watched part of the video and I found a valid point that I agree upon. It was something that the Lord showed me years ago. The bible contains two trees. The tree of knowledge and the tree of life. If our approach is purely academic then we will only eat from the tree that increases knowledge and find only death. However, if we approach it as the living and vibrate Word itself then we can consume it as the spiritual food it was meant to be...and find life. Jesus said this to the Pharisees:

Jn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Do we think Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees for a lack of intellectual knowledge here?

Mk 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Think about it...the Pharisees and scribes were master scholars. They were filled with an intellectual knowledge of the bible.
What they didn't "KNOW" was an intimacy with the living Word himself that would produce the fruit God desired. Knowledge such as this:

Ge 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived...

When we truly "know" (not in the gnostic sense) the word, we shall conceive as well.

Mk 3:33-35 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Amen Shep. Another great post. Could this be an indicator of what we can expect for 2026?

Hope all have a blessed year in Christ. :) <><

 

[soberxp]

Regardless of your viewpoints, ultimately you must submit to God's will. If God's will is to save all, then whatever you understand from the Bible, you must submit to God's will.
If God saves only a few, so be it.
But Revelation has clearly stated that the ultimate fate of the villains and the rebels is not very good.
God cannot save those who deliberately oppose Him.

 

[JustMe]

‘Those who deny scripture deny the truth.

If you choose this way then you choose the end result of your way.



May the Lord open your eyes.

My eyes were opened up many years ago to the ongoing fraud and counterfeit in the sphere of Christendom