Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

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Lizbeth

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Not an answer. Sad.



As you demonstrate an avoidance of truth!
I and others have been having these discussions with Episkopos for a very long time. There are too many discussions and too many posts to go hunting for specific ones that address that specific thing. He has pointed many times to scriptures such as "For God so loved the world..." and "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord", and the one that says "God is the saviour of all men especially of those who believe" to back up his belief in universalism.....and as well, I have seen him agree with other universalist forum members. But apparently now he is making an exception for unbelieving Jews. Apparently the gospel and accepting Christ is only necessary for the Jews. Maybe I'm forgetting but I don't remember hearing him interpret that passage that way before, saying that condemnation/damnation for unbelief only applies to the Jews, God's people. Which makes me wonder, whether Epi is making this up as he goes along? So far neither you nor he have offered an explanation for the contradiction.

I already said that God reveals Himself to whoever He wills......that is regardless of time/place. There are lots of examples in the bible of people with faith and a relationship with God before Jesus and the crucifixion. took place.....of them it is said that "they without us would not be made perfect".....they are saved because Jesus went and preached the gospel to them when He died.....He revealed Himself to them. And there are so many testimonies out there today of the Lord revealing Christ to many living souls without the agency of man and preachers.......not limited to, but especially in strict Muslim countries where the gospel is forced underground and not able to be preached freely. Everyone who is foreknown by the Lord and elect will be saved....not one who the Father gives to Jesus will be lost. His arm is not too short to save everyone He has chosen to save according to His foreknowledge.

And it is clear from scripture that He hasn't chosen and foreknown everyone. It is the height of arrogance really to think the Lord God Almighty needs anyone to make excuses or invent some kind of out for Him.....the apostle wrote that the Potter has every right to make for Himself some to be vessels of honour and some for ignoble purposes, and who are we o man to talk back to Him. "Man is like the beasts that perish"....the Lord doesn't "owe" eternal life to the human race. Especially since the human race largely rejects Him and lives in sin. That He has chosen to save any at all is the very great wonder we should be so grateful for, and we need to look at the glass as being half full, not half empty.
 

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Consider that there are many Scriptures that are songs, and poetry, and even written in a creedal fashion. These are not any less inspired Scripture than are the prose, didactic, and narrative portions.

Much love!
Wait till inclusive law becomes law . if we think sharia law is deadly , and it is
IT holds not the power of the inclusive law . that law gonna hammer all who conformed not to its image
of what IT says is GOD and it calls love . AND BINGO if ya guessed that its god and its love
WILL SERVE THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGOIN WHICH SERVES THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE ARE ALL BEING deceived . Satan knows how to unify a people under what such a people
will beleive to be GOD and LOVE . Anyt hing that conforms not to its image , W ILL BE PERSECUTED
on a level of a tribulation so great that if it were not ended not a lamb one would be alive .
THIS is gonna explode my friends . . ITS GONNA explode . they have the system now
They have the religoin now
they have the power now TO DO ALL that was written would occur right at the end hour . They lead this people
into a lie they beleive will attain world peace n safety . BUT ITS PEACE IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
ITS COMING . And it has one common god
and one common love , and that god and its love , HATES And LEADS and WILL LEAD
this people into great war against the saints . YOU MARK THEM WORDS . ITS COMING and ITS AT THE DOOR .
 
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the only ignorance is those who are high minded thinking they can impress some one... men like jay Vernon McGee Adrian rogers David Jeremiah . could literally make you look like a green horn/ Novice and never use big words.. one thing i have found in forums ..lots of folks sit behind the p,c pretend there billy graham or some big university professor
I'm no pretender. as you make well be...have a good day. You say a lot, of nothing. Why are you such a whiner? (Rhetorical please)
 

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Why are you such a whiner?
because i am dealing with a whinier.. do you need cheese and crackers for your whine? over the years i have dealt with plenty like you. leave you with a scripture

1 Corinthians 2:4


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4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:


take some advice bring down to a level folks can relate to . take the word for what it says all you was doing was tearing down the word of God and putting your twist on it. btw you cant always have your cake and ice cream at the same time
 

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because i am dealing with a whinier.. do you need cheese and crackers for your whine? over the years i have dealt with plenty like you. leave you with a scripture

1 Corinthians 2:4​

King James Version​


4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:


take some advice bring down to a level folks can relate to . take the word for what it says all you was doing was tearing down the word of God and putting your twist on it. btw you cant always have your cake and ice cream at the same time
You say you are dealing with a whinier here. Wow, how uncanny and full of discernment. Of course I can be an oenophile who has a deep appreciation and knowledge of wine, often going beyond mere enjoyment to explore the nuances of different grape varieties, wine-making techniques, and regional characteristics. And the cheese goes with it nicely. Thank you for the compliment. Unfortunately though, I'm more of a lexophile. Sorry you have the wrong chap. If you want to hear some decent puns, let me know. I can supply them in batches of 10s if you want...

Seriously, I do possess the spirit of God since I was given the spirit of his Son within me many moons ago, that drives my view of scripture, most of the time. How about you?
 

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that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
‘Romans 10:9-13


What is the name of the LORD (YHWH) we call on to be saved?
I see you are in urgent need of an answer to your question since you apparently made this request of me 2x in 5 minutes time, last night EST. Salvation is too important slip by...here are some verses to ponder as you must already know them.

(Rom 10:10) " For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. "
(Rom 10:11) For the scripture says: Whoever believes in him shall not be put to shame.
(Rom 10:12) " For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, for the same one who is Lord of all is rich to all that call upon him. "
(Rom 10:13) For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

(Act 4:10) be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you healed.
(Act 4:11) He is the stone that was rejected by you the builders, which has become the cornerstone.
(Act 4:12) And in no other is there salvation; for neither is there any other name that is given among men under heaven, wherein we must be saved.

Hope this helps you if you really do not know who to call upon, for salvation.
 
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I do possess the spirit of God since I was given the spirit of his Son within me many moons ago, that drives my view of scripture, most of the time. How about you?
no one said you never had the spirit .. how about me? hmm i will stay with proverbs
Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes. good day to you
 

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Is there a reason for the arrogant post calling the other poster in a roundabout way a fool? Why did you do that? How does that help you or your position?
 

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Is there a reason for the arrogant post calling the other poster in a roundabout way a fool? Why did you do that? How does that help you or your position?
guess you never read what he replied to me.. i didnt post it to help my position i posted to make my point. tyvm
 

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Gnosticism posits that there is such a thing as saving knowledge......that people are saved by the accuracy of beliefs...and NOT by obedience to God.

And that takes us to the limits or extents of God's mercy.

If one is paying attention Jesus will judge the world by how they treated His brethren. Not what they believed. In the parable of the sheep and the goats those who served Jesus' brethren are given life. Those who did not are condemned. The criteria is in how people treated each other.

Jesus says...inasmuch as you did it to the least of these MY brethren, you did it to me. If the sheep were believers Jesus would have said....the least of these YOUR brethren.

So the sheep in the parable are NOT part of the Body of Christ. They will not be judged for a faulty theology....but by their works. The bible says no other thing.

We shall reap as we have sown, not as God has sown.
 
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Thank you, brother. I appreciate your feedback!
You're welcome! I hope you read the rest of my post.

Translations are mainly a matter of preference. Which one is more accurate is highly subjective. And most importantly, we don't worship a book, let alone a translation.

We worship the living God, who we have a personal relationship with, who choose us to be his children.

Depending on the verse, I like different translations.
 

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

This verse destroys the Greek influence of imposing on the text the Phoenix, rising on its own accord from the ashes.

I don’t know about a Phoenix rising from the ashes.


My question to you was… What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?


For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Roman’s 10:13
 

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I see you are in urgent need of an answer to your question since you apparently made this request of me 2x in 5 minutes time, last night EST. Salvation is too important slip by...here are some verses to ponder as you must already know them.

(Rom 10:10) " For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. "
(Rom 10:11) For the scripture says: Whoever believes in him shall not be put to shame.
(Rom 10:12) " For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, for the same one who is Lord of all is rich to all that call upon him. "
(Rom 10:13) For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

(Act 4:10) be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you healed.
(Act 4:11) He is the stone that was rejected by you the builders, which has become the cornerstone.
(Act 4:12) And in no other is there salvation; for neither is there any other name that is given among men under heaven, wherein we must be saved.

Hope this helps you if you really do not know who to call upon, for salvation.

‘The name of YHWH is Jesus.
 

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‘The name of YHWH is Jesus.
How ridiculous is this..? So what is the name of Yeshua? Being funny today, eh

So who do you call upon to be saved?
- YHWH - LORD God of the fathers
- Yeshua - Lord or lord and master
- YHWH and Yeshua - LORD God of the fathers and Lord or lord and master
- YHWH and YHWH - LORD God of the fathers, the same name called twice

And where is the YHWH of the Holy Spirit in all this, doesn't he deserve a ring? Or do I just add him at the end? Advise me...

I suggest you read your Bible and not your imaginations....as I already gave you the answer, in scripture.
 
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I don’t know about a Phoenix rising from the ashes.


My question to you was… What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?


For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Roman’s 10:13
There is only one capital-LORD in Scripture, the God of Jesus, whose name is YHWH. Most translations render Roman 10:13 lowercase-Lord, where there are dozens of lowercase-Lord‘s in Scripture, of which Jesus is one.

My question to you regarding Romans 10:9 is:

Who raised Jesus from the dead?
 
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