What does that mean?
And your opinion isn't even worth $.02
Is smoking a sin?
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Lambano
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I don't see how anyone can measure faith. Besides, if anyone has faith, why do they need to exercise it?
Before I go to where you have directed me to read, I would like to tell you of a more excellent way of hermeneutics which is the method I have learned.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 reads:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
So you see, the method of hermeneutics I've learned is a more excellent way that even a child can do! Besides, I'm out of your league when English matters, because it is my second language.
To God Be The Glory
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Jesus based the greatness or lack of faith on depth of belief,
Matt 8:10
When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!
Matt 15:28 "
Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour."
Did they place bets? Nope.
Theirs was based on faith,
not some goofy betting system that is supposed to make one look like ( although it sure doesn't ) some kind of intellectual.
Matt 8:10
When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!
Matt 15:28 "
Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour."
Did they place bets? Nope.
Theirs was based on faith,
not some goofy betting system that is supposed to make one look like ( although it sure doesn't ) some kind of intellectual.
Godslittleservant
Active Member
It does not seem like it cause you and a few other keep pointing to books written by man that you seem to hold to a higher level.
Then why do you want to understand Scripture through the wisdom and eyes of man?
Is God's way not enough? Who knows better but God?
The Bible is a spiritual Book and therefore must be spiritually discerned.
To God Be The Glory
Right.
According to your bet, mathematically and scientifically, your faith is worth $1 in this case. Do you care to increase the value of your faith by increasing your bet?
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
This is one of those times where using common words instead of Biblical jargon really clarifies the issue.
What's a sin? It's an error.
Is it an error to smoke tobacco? Definitely so.
That said, does it lead to eternal damnation? Doubtful. The consequences are well-known and they happen here in this mortal life.
1John 5:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Godslittleservant
Active Member
The biblical definition of sin is a transgression of God's law. So is not smoking God's law? Maybe we lump it in where in fact the bible is silent?
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
That's a transgression. If we wanted to make sub-categories of sin, that would be one of them.
Nah. I'll stick with what I said.
You keep saying "right" as above for several times now. There must be some things we agree upon. And, since you already know how I stand on betting, let me give you two reasons why. We read in Ephesians 2:8-9:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
And, there is no value for me to increase or decrease my faith, for it is God's business. He is the only ONE who knows how great a faith He bestowed in me!!!
To God Be The Glory
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What about the command, "Thou shalt not kill" is that a sin leading to damnation? Same with suicide?
Is it a sin to kill animals for food consumption? Definitely not!
Why then do you believe smoking (which is hazardous to your health) is NOT a sin?
Is not smoking "murder" to self?
To God Be The Glory
Right, and this is the last time I am asking you:
According to your bet, mathematically and scientifically, your faith is worth $1 in this case. Do you care to increase the value of your faith by increasing your bet?
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
And this is the last time I'm going to say it.
Faith is a gift from God and therefore, it is His business alone on how to dispense the measure of belief to a person.
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