Is The Book Of Revelations Still Sealed?

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor
 

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor
Maybe because we expect these seals to be opened in the future.
What if they were unsealed from the foundation of the world?
What if everything written in Revelation has been an onging curse since the fall of man?
The things which have been, the things which are, and the things which must shortly come to pass.
Every generation complains that these things have been foretold about for generations and generations before them.
What if it's gradual decline over the ages?
And now we are coming to the grand finale.
Since the foundation of the world...
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Just thinking..
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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor

Doesn't the scripture Revelation 22:10 say, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, for the appointed time is near." So how can you unseal something that hasn't been sealed?
 

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There is a special blessing from God for those that read and understand the book of revelation.
  • The only Book in the Bible that God assures us of blessings for reading and hearing it is the Book of Revelation Rev 1:3: Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand
 

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor

Daniel was closed because it was unto Israel, whom God knew would only repent and come back unto God in the last days, just before the DOTL (Zechariah 13:8-9......then 14:1-2 is the DOTL).

The Book of Revelation (BoR) is not sealed, it is instead encoded, we have the holy spirit as the church, thus we can understand it, especially in these end times looking backward, if we are persistent. The major challenge is unravelling the book via the "timelines" then everything else is much easier to comprehend if one understands the order of the BoR, tbh, anyone saying that the BoR is in chronological order are completely in the dark and not to be taken seriously on the BoR.

Jesus gave us three time periods to separate from each other. The things which you have seen, the things which are, and the things which will be hereafter. We can define them, then we have the TIMELINE in the last time period of Rev. 4-19 and the 1000 year reign and the New Jerusalem in Rev. 20-22.

Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all of his Glory, or the things which you (John) HAVE SEEN.

Rev. 2-3 is the things WHICH ARE, the 7 Churches of Asia Minor which represents the complete Church Age as in 7 represents divine completion.

Rev. 4:1 represents the Rapture and the things that will be HEREAFTER. Or the 70th week tribulation period designed to get Israel to repent as a nation, as Dan. 9:24-27 requires.

The actual TIMELINES of the 70th week Book of Revelation

Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven "before the seals are ever opened", we can understand this via Rev. 4:4, its a code that shows us who the "24 Elders" really are, they are said to sit at God's throne, to have on crowns and to have on white raiment (robes). The code for this is found in Rev. 2:10, (crown of life), Rev. 3:5 (white raiment) and in Rev. 3:21(will sit at God's thrones). These churches are all promised that if they "overcome" they will get these these three gifts in heaven, so Rev. 4:4 is the church in heaven, encoded as the 24 elders, and in 1 Chronicles 24 we see the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, so the 24 elders are a representation of the Church because we are kings and priests unto God as Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:10 both state. So, the 24 elders are the Church who are in Heaven before the seals are ever opened by Jesus in Rev. 6. In Rev. 5:9 it states that those singing unto the Lamb "that he is worthy" also say that he has "redeemed us" by his blood from all the nations on earth. This is the Church.

Rev. 6 is Jesus opening the seals during the first half of the 70th week and prophesying what will come to pass when the sealed scroll is finally opened up. He does this mere days, hours or minutes before the judgments fall onto mankind. Probably a month before and then seal #7 is put off until the Jews have had 30 days to flee Judea unto the mountainous regions of Edom(Petra and Bozrah), thus seal #7 is opened over in Rev. 8. Seals, 1, 2, 3 and 4 are the four horsemen, all of these are the coming Anti-Christs reign described via Jesus prophesying. This man 1.) will conquer for 42 months 2.) will bring wars for 42 months 3.) his wars and actions/decrees bring famine over a 42 month period of time and 4.) this Anti-Christ will bring death, sickness and hades (the grave) over a 42 month period. Seal number 5 is likewise about the Anti-Christ, he will bring 42 months of tyrant rule which will bring many Martyrs unto the saints of God who repent during the 70th week.

Seal number 6 is a little different, but it is still a prophecy, it is Jesus prophesying, as Joel did, about the coming Day of the Lord. So, Joel 2:31 was 2500 or so years ago, and seal #6 will be mere days before this DOTL even happens, but both are prophesies about a future event. The day which God's Wrath finally falls on mankind, the day which will bring fire and darkness. This will of course last for 1260 days, thus we know the Anti-Christ will wait until God's Wrath falls for strategic reasons, the DOTL will wipe out a 1/3 of the world and cause chaos which will be a great cover for this evil tyrants coming actions, and it will take out a super power in the Pacific Realm, imho.

Rev. 7 is simply another code for Israel fleeing Judea just like the Rev. 12 "Woman" is a stand-in for Israel. But this is the real time event here. Rev. 12 is a Parenthetical Citation chapter. The 144,000 is code, as in 12 (fulness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel who repent. Thus we get to see their escape to the mountains just before the Judgments of God falls via the 7th seal being opened up by Jesus which thus opens up the sealed scroll of Judgments. This is why the angel in Rev. 7 is told to hold up the wind (judgments) until the 144,000 are sealed in their heads (until they repent and gain the holy spirit like we have)and are thus protected by God. The 144,000 are simply the Israeli Jews who repent and then flee Judea just before the 1260 event where God's Wrath falls as the 7th seal is opened in Rev. 8. The many nations seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 are the pre trib Church shown in heaven who came out of the great troubles of the 2000 some odd year church age where many saints were slaughtered for their beliefs.

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God's Wrath falls, the TIMLINE of the Judgments phase

Rev. 8 is the judgments of God's Wrath falling onto mankind, as soon as the 7th seal is opened there is silence in heaven, unlike the other 6 seals, the prophesying is now over, God's Wrath is now at hand, Jesus says nothing, the angels ready the trumps to sound. In these 7 Trumps (the 7 Thunders of Rev. 10) are all of God's Wrath, there are no 21 Judgments, there are only 7. The seals only contain these judgments in a sealed up scroll. Once opened, there is silence in heaven showing the graveness of the situation, God and His hosts takes no pleasure in this, just like God took no pleasure in the flood, but a just God must deliver just judgment.

Rev. 8 brings us the first four trumpet judgments, which are all one asteroid impact imho, the fire comes in first via the first trumpet judgment, fragmented pieces fall and splay over many miles, trees and grass burn, and thus houses burn etc. Trump #2 is the impact of the asteroid, its like a great earthquake as described elsewhere, this mountain come in on fire, it will destroy 1/3 of the sea creatures, ships etc. but I see the the 1/3 as a code for its destination, through much study I have cone to find understand that the Pacific ocean has 1/3 of all the water on earth and that North and South America combined have 1/3 of the landmass of the earth. So, I see the 1/3 as God telling us where this asteroid is going to hit.

The third trump simply describes some kind of poisonous fallout of some sort, be it sulfur as happened via the asteroid that wiped out the Dinos, or some sort of nuclear like reaction, who knows, but we do know it will poison 1/3 of the fresh waters (new world) and thus it is the exact same impact, just a telling of a poisonous fallout in this trumpet judgment. The fourth trump is the cumulative effect on the whole world, the fires create smoke which gets up into the jet stream and spreads all over the world, creating the darkness prophesied in Joel 2:31 and in the 6th Seal by Jesus. The last three trumps yet to fall are the coming Three Woes according to Rev. 8:13. So, remember, when trump #7 sounds, the 7 vials are the 3rd woe.

Rev. 9 is the first two woes. With the first woe we see that the locked up Demons are released and they torture men for 5 months, therefore anyone saying the DOTL is one day at Jesus' Second Coming are thereby proven to be in error. The second woe is angels slaying 1/3 of those who have taken the mark of the beast. These are judgments against Satan's people on earth, thus it is not Satan killing them, as Jesus said Satan will not come against Satan, a house divided can not stand, these are Angelic beings bringing forth these judgments, the angels are not bound in a river, but to an hour, day and month, or unto a time of judgment in that area.

Rev. 15&16, this ends the Judgments/Wrath of God. In Rev. 8 we see the angels get ready to sound the trumpet judgments, and the judgments are all brought forth in the same chapter. This is why I see Rev. 15&16 as one and the same chapter. We see in chapter 15 the angels ready to pour out the vials of God's Wrath, which will be the final or 3rd woe. Then the 7 vials are poured out which fill up God's Wrath as Rev. 15:1 says. I think the 6th vial is God stopping all of his plagues/wrath for a bit of time, long enough where Satan and his demons can entice the world leaders to come out their hiding places where they have been dodging God's judgments, or at least trying to, and Satan can now entice them to go after the Jews hiding in the Petra area, thus as these kings and their followers are heading that way, Jesus meets them at Armageddon and puts a whooping on them once and for all. The Angel thus declares, "It is Done". Then in Rev. 16:19 we see that God says those that Jesus defeats in verse 19 are "Babylon the Great" whom He has placed in the wine-press of His Wrath.

This ends the book of Revelation's TIMELINE. The rest of the BoR is either Parenthetical Citation chapters describing events that go on during these 42 months of God's Wrath as shown in Rev. 8, 9, 15&16, or in the Judgment chapters seen in Rev. 20, or the Ever-after and New Jerusalem chapters seen in Rev. 21 and 22.

The Parenthetical Citation Chapters

Rev. 10 is the 7 Thunders, speaking about how everything will change once the 7 Trumps sound. Time will be no more as it once was under Satan and mans rule, now Jesus will rule !!

Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses ministry chapter. This starts 1335 days(Dan. 12:12) before the Second Coming ends all these wonders (seen in Dan. 11:36-45). The Two-witnesses are the blessing, they are called to get Israel to repent just before the DOTL or God's Wrath falls on the world at the 1260, which comes 75 days after they show up. The measurements in the first three verses is showing us their parameters, they are called unto the Jews only, just as Jesus was, the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. Gentiles can repent, but the Two-witnesses ministry is unto the Jews only, if one understands the first three verses, that is evident. NOTICE: they die at the 2nd woe, before the Beast fulfills his 1260 days as ordained by God, so via simple math, we know their 1260 day ministries does not parallel 100%, and thus the 1335 is indeed 75 days before the Beast comes to power at the 1260, thus the Two-witnesses must also die 75 days before the Beast dies at the 7th vial. Elementary my dear Watson. The 1290 is the False Prophet(a Jewish High Priest gone rogue, like unto Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes) that does his dirty deed 1290 days before the Second Coming ends all these wonders. He will forbid the Jews who repented from the 1335 Blessing until the 1290 (a 45 day period) from Worshiping the Lord God Jesus Christ in the temple of God (takes away the sacrifice) and then he will place the AoD and it will be an Image of the E.U. President, who is 30 days away from going forth conquering at the 1260 event which will be 1260 days away from the Second Coming which will end all of these wonders Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45. In Rev. 13 we are told the 2nd Beast places an image of the first beast and mandates all men worship that image or die.

Rev. 12 starts just before the 1st Trump, when Satan is cast out of Heaven, and chases the Woman Israel for 1260 days, but of course she flees at the 1290, she gets a 30 day warning. She is told to flee unto the mountains and to not look back.

Rev. 13 is the Anti-Christ arising for his 1260 day rule, this has to start via the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments and it has to last for 1260 days. The 2nd Beast is a Jewish High Priest akin to Jason under Antiochus who is given all power over Religion, Satan does this to spite God.

Rev. 14 is "The Harvest Chapter", it covers all 7 years, the Second Coming shows Jesus bringing the wheat (Israel) into the barn in real time, it then shows a "flashback" unto the Pre Tribulation Harvest where Jesus from upon a cloud Harvests the Church, taking us to heaven where we can marry the Lamb. Israel are married unto the Father, but they still need reconciling. In verses 17-20 we see God harvesting the wicked Grapes into the Wine-press of His Wrath, just like is shown in Rev. 16:19, same event. Just like Rev. 19's Marriage Supper is the exact same event.

Rev. 17 starts in Rev. 8s Trump judgments and lasts for 42 months, we see the Harlot (All false religion of all time) and her guilt in the worldwide martyrs of the Saints & in the Martyrs of Jesus throughout history, but then we are told the 10 kings (ALL Europe as in 10 means completeness) kill her off in Rev. 17:16, but why? The Harlot and The Beast(s) have been comingled for 1000s of years with her, so why is she now all of the sudden cut-off from the Beasts (Governments) Rule? Because this one man(Anti-Christ) will now mandate to be worshiped by all peoples, there is no room at that time for Islam, Hinduism, Buddhis, Jupiter, Baal, et al. So, when it says they kill off the Harlot, that means they forbid the worshiping of any and all gods, except the Beast. It's just that simple !!

Rev. 18 also starts in Rev. 8 and lasts for 42 months. In verse 2 where it says Babylon (whole world) has become a habitation for devils, that is when Satan is cast down to earth and Apollyon is released from the bottomless pit. In verse 4 where it says "come out of her my people" that is God calling Israel to flee just before the 1260 event. In verses 8 and 10, where it says her Judgment will come in one day (vs. 8) and in one hour (vs. 10) that means 42 months. The DOTL lasts for 42 months we know and in Rev. 17:12 the 10 kings rule with the Beast for "ONE HOUR" which thus also means 42 months. We have to understand God encoded this great BoR Himself, LOL, that is why we can't just grasp it without deep prayer and study, this is the Samson honey and the lion riddle times a million !! The rest of the chapter is just prose about the fall of Babylon (this whole world deceived by Satan = Babel).

Rev. 19 covers the full 7 years also, we see the Bride in heaven marrying the Lamb, then returning with Jesus to defeat the Beast and his minions who are all still on earth at that time. Armageddon is the marriage supper of the lamb and his bride. The Anti-Christ and False Prophet are then cast into hell straight away, they do not get to rest in their graves for 1000 years like the rest of the wicked.

Rev. 20 is the Judgment, Rev. 20 and 21 us the ever after and the New Jerusalem chapters.
 
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Rev_10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

This is the only things in Revelation that were "sealed up" and not written.
 

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What do you mean by sealed? It is not sealed. There are some things which we don't necessarily yet know the correct interpretation or fulfillment of but there are plenty of things we do know/see already.
 

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open.
It is the events of the seals which should interest us. And the events of the first five seals began even before the Revelation was completed. So in order to confirm that the events of the first five seals have been in motion since the first century, you need only go to the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21) and compare the events of those seals. Only the events of the 6th and 7th seal remain to be seen, and that will be in the relatively near future.

There are no doubt many who claim that the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist. But that would put everything in Revelation into the future. However the rider on the white horse is symbolic of all the false Christs who have already come, while the Antichrist will be the final false Christ. Christ began His Olivet Discourse with this statement: Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Mt 24:4,5) "In my name" means calling themselves Christ (Messiah or Mashiach or Moshiach).

Here are some of Israel's false Christs:
1. Theudas and Judas of Galilee (mentioned in Scripture)
2. Simon bar Kochba
3. Moses of Crete
4. David Alroy
5. Abraham Ben-Samuel Abulafia
6. Shabbetai Zevi
7. Menachem Mendel Schneerson

There have also been "Christian", Muslim, and Zoroastrian false messiahs.
 

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It is the events of the seals which should interest us.
The seals DO NOTHING except open the Sealed Trumpet Judgment scroll. Why can't people get the concept, it is really simply, we make it complex. Jesus gave us an example of a sealed message, people 2000 years ago got this, a king sent a message and placed three waxed signet seals on the letter in order tp assure his message was not spied out by others. is one seal was off, he was still ok, the message was A-OK, eve if two were off, he was still A-OK, no one had a signet seal like unto his, they were unique. But if three were off the message had been read by someone more than likely and the messenger may be at risk of death.

Any Message still sealed is thus not doing anything as per instructing other at that point, only when the last seal is off is the message readable. If the king sent word that the 2nd in command in such and such city was to be killed, when the 1st in command opened the 1st seal, nothing happened did it? There was no instructions yet. When the 2nd seal was opened, again, nothing happens, but when the 3rd seal is opened, the 1st in command sends for the 2nd in command, and then, AND ONLY THEN, does the action start, the kings commands are caried out.

The Trumpet Judgments are SEALED UP. Only when the 7 seals are taken off does the Judgments of God fall onto mankind. The seals are it judgments. This is why there is silence at the 7th seal, judgment is not pleasant to God, He repented Himself fir the great flood, it sorrowed Him greatly. This is also why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8.
 
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The seals DO NOTHING except open the Sealed Trumpet Judgment scroll. Why can't people get the concept, it is really simply, we make it complex.


Amen, this is correct. The seals only tell us of things that will happen in the future. Nothing at all happens when each seal is opened except a vision of the future.
 

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor

I agree, we will see Jesus soon.

The cries from these stones are reaching their crescendo now:

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Even a mist appearing for a short time should see it soon. I would say we're closer than anyone thinks. Maybe too close to talk about it? Be silent before the Lord time? I usually get into trouble when I say it. We're more than 2/3's through Revelation's timeline. That's with a literal 1000 years.

Because price action makes market commentary. We've got to trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's 18 prophetic time periods in the Books of Daniel and Revelation. These are our instruments, when we can't fly by visual flight rules. I'm sure that's what Jesus was doing in Mark when He said: “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” What was the fulfilled "time" that He was talking about? The Daniel 9 time, the 7 and 62 weeks. The position of the new moon at the last supper confirms Jesus said this in 27AD.

The type of prophecy in Revelation differs from the OT local prophecy, Day of the Lord prophecy, Messianic prophecy, or the Judaic prophecy. Apocalyptic prophecy follows in a chronological order. When that chronological order is broken, and the subject matter changes, a new prophecy begins. There's 12 prophecies in Revelation. The King James translators did a pretty good job making the chapters and subject headers, but they were not always correct.

The biggest prophecy in Revelation spans three Chapters and is the most important prophecy in the Book's narrative because if you don't get it right, you're going to be way off course. And there's prominent prophecy expositors that are way off course. I saw Dave Pack banging his hand on his desk saying that the woman would be brought to a place of safety which would be somewhere in Petra. Big smiles.

Can I be wrong? I honestly doubt it. I say we're right here. Things are happening, but they're not being recognized. Just like when Jesus said that the "time" was fulfilled. That same time is fulfilled again. We're like in the same time zone as the first three and a half years of Jesus' ministry. Nobody knows what's going on. We're like in a trbulum of the Matrix where most people think things are getting back to normal. But things are not normal. Covid 19 was one of the signs that the Dragon was given the power to do on behalf of the composite beast and Putin is the first frog man taken over by an unclean spirit.

I like to talk to the other religious belief systems, and especially the Atheists, on another forum. The Atheists are smart but after talking to one of them for a while, they usually show their true colors.

If there is a God, most Atheists have a problem with Him. Most Atheists will eventually express a hatred toward God.

The Atheist, especially an old and experienced Atheist, can very quickly shift from the scientific evidentiary phase, into the anger phase of the five stages of grief.

I have not completely figured it out yet, but I notice similarities with the various stages of Atheism, and Elizabeth Kubler Ross's five stages of grief:

Five stages of grief.
  • denial.
  • anger.
  • bargaining.
  • depression.
  • acceptance.
Denial. The Atheist says in their heart that there is no God.

Anger. If there is a God, I want to know why He lets little kids get leukemia. If there is a God, why should I have to do what He says?

Bargaining. Tell ya what, show us proof, and WE will be the deciders if God exists.

Depression. Quiet time, the Atheist goes on a break from posting.

Acceptance. When the Atheist reaches acceptance on a global scale, they will seek to kill God. Satan will gather them for that great battle in the valley that is symbolically called Megiddo.

When the world is at war with God.

Like it is right now.

God bless you too!

Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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What do you mean by sealed? It is not sealed. There are some things which we don't necessarily yet know the correct interpretation or fulfillment of but there are plenty of things we do know/see already.
People can know the correct interpretation and fulfillment of everything in Revelation because this book confirms all of the prior end-time prophecies that were given throughout the OT and NT.

It only seems difficult to understand Revelation because people refuse to allow the Bible to interpret its own symbols and try to make the text support their own opinions. There probably isn't a greater example of this than the mark of the beast and the beast's identity. There's a lot of talk about how the vaccine mandates or microchips are the mark, and all of the proponents of such arguments ignore the Bible explicitly teaching that this mark is religious in nature and that the people who will reject it are keeping God's commandments and have a solid understanding of bible prophecy.
 

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With all that is going on in the world, the book is still not open. Well completely anyway. Everyone voices their opinions, but still the book has not been unsealed. SMH. Who of us knows it’s secrets? I’ve studied it much, but admit I am no more closer to knowing all the prophecy than the next brother and sister. God bless you all! We will see Jesus soon. Life is but a short short vapor
And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. Revelation 22:10

But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.” Revelation 5:5
 

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Daniel was closed because it was unto Israel, whom God knew would only repent and come back unto God in the last days, just before the DOTL (Zechariah 13:8-9......then 14:1-2 is the DOTL).

The Book of Revelation (BoR) is not sealed, it is instead encoded, we have the holy spirit as the church, thus we can understand it, especially in these end times looking backward, if we are persistent. The major challenge is unravelling the book via the "timelines" then everything else is much easier to comprehend if one understands the order of the BoR, tbh, anyone saying that the BoR is in chronological order are completely in the dark and not to be taken seriously on the BoR.

Jesus gave us three time periods to separate from each other. The things which you have seen, the things which are, and the things which will be hereafter. We can define them, then we have the TIMELINE in the last time period of Rev. 4-19 and the 1000 year reign and the New Jerusalem in Rev. 20-22.

Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all of his Glory, or the things which you (John) HAVE SEEN.

Rev. 2-3 is the things WHICH ARE, the 7 Churches of Asia Minor which represents the complete Church Age as in 7 represents divine completion.

Rev. 4:1 represents the Rapture and the things that will be HEREAFTER. Or the 70th week tribulation period designed to get Israel to repent as a nation, as Dan. 9:24-27 requires.

The actual TIMELINES of the 70th week Book of Revelation

Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven "before the seals are ever opened", we can understand this via Rev. 4:4, its a code that shows us who the "24 Elders" really are, they are said to sit at God's throne, to have on crowns and to have on white raiment (robes). The code for this is found in Rev. 2:10, (crown of life), Rev. 3:5 (white raiment) and in Rev. 3:21(will sit at God's thrones). These churches are all promised that if they "overcome" they will get these these three gifts in heaven, so Rev. 4:4 is the church in heaven, encoded as the 24 elders, and in 1 Chronicles 24 we see the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, so the 24 elders are a representation of the Church because we are kings and priests unto God as Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:10 both state. So, the 24 elders are the Church in Heaven before the seals are opened by Jesus in Rev. 6. Rev. 5:9 says those singing unto the Lamb that he is worthy say he has "redeemed us" by his blood. This is the Church.

Rev. 6 is Jesus opening the seals during the first half of the 70th week and prophesying what will come to pass when the sealed scroll is finally opened up. He does this mere days, hours or minutes before the judgments fall onto mankind. Probably a month before and then seal 7 is put off until the Jews have had 30 days to flee Judea unto the mountainous regions of Edom(Petra and Bozrah), thus seal #7 is opened over in Rev. 8. Seals, 1, 2, 3 and 4 are the four horsemen, all of these are the coming Anti-Christs reign described via Jesus prophesying. This man 1.) will conquer for 42 months 2.) will bring wars for 42 months 3.) his wars and actions bring famine over a 42 month period of time and 4.) this Anti-Christ will bring death, sickness and hades (the grave) over a 42 month period. Seal number 5 is likewise about the Anti-Christ, he will bring 42 months of tyrant rule which will bring many Martyrs unto the saints of God who repent during the 70th week.

Seal number 6 is a little different, but it is still a prophecy, it is Jesus prophesying, as Joel did, about the coming Day of the Lord. So, Joel 2:31 was 2500 or so years ago, and seal #6 will be mere days before this DOTL even happens, but both are prophesies about future event. The day which God's Wrath finally falls on mankind, the day which will bring fire and darkness. This will of course last for 1260 days, thus we know the Anti-Christ will wait until God's Wrath falls for strategic reasons, it will wipe out a 1/3 of the world and cause chaos which will be a great cover for this evil tyrants coming actions, and it will take out a super power in the Pacific Realm, imho.

Rev. 7 is simply another code for Israel fleeing Judea just like the Rev. 12 "Woman" is a stand in for Israel. But this is the real time event here. Rev. 12 is a Parenthetical Citation chapter. The 144,000 is code, as in 12 (fulness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel who repent. Thus we get to see their escape to the mountains just before the Judgments of God falls via the 7th seal being opened up by Jesus which thus opens up the sealed scroll of Judgments. This is why the angel in Rev. 7 is told to hold up the wind (judgments) until the 144,000 are sealed in their heads (until they repent and gain the holy spirit like we have)and are thus protected by God. The 144,000 are simply the Israeli Jews who repent and then flee Judea just before the 1260 event where God's Wrath falls as the 7th seal is opened in Rev. 8. The many nations seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 are the pre trib Church shown in heaven who came out of the great troubles of the 2000 some odd year church age where many saints were slaughtered for their beliefs.

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Even this is the teachings of men, strong delusion. :(

PS, nonetheless, I have "Liked" it...because it has served for the times appointed.
 
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There are no doubt many who claim that the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist. But that would put everything in Revelation into the future. However the rider on the white horse is symbolic of all the false Christs who have already come, while the Antichrist will be the final false Christ. Christ began His Olivet Discourse with this statement: Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Mt 24:4,5) "In my name" means calling themselves Christ (Messiah or Mashiach or Moshiach).

Here are some of Israel's false Christs:
1. Theudas and Judas of Galilee (mentioned in Scripture)
2. Simon bar Kochba
3. Moses of Crete
4. David Alroy
5. Abraham Ben-Samuel Abulafia
6. Shabbetai Zevi
7. Menachem Mendel Schneerson

There have also been "Christian", Muslim, and Zoroastrian false messiahs.
This is a important point to fully consider.

However, as He says "many" come in His name, saying "I am Christ"...we would do well to consider Paul--not as a false Christ, but as one who claimed, "for me to live is Christ." Indeed, each of the apostles also came in His name, as do any and all who take up His name. Many.

The point being, that if we expect or suspect only the leaders, only the great, only those who may appear obvious, we will likely miss those who are "of His own household" (Micah 7:6 Matthew 10:36). And we have. Therefore, He warns not to be "deceived."

In other words, just as it was [by precedent] with Israel, our greatest fear does not come from without, but from within. By their example, we would even do well to suspect that the church, by the teachings of men, is fully prepared to crucify.
 

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Even this is the teachings of men, strong delusion. :(
The delusion is all yours, instead of making an accusation about things you apparently know nothing about, why not point out these so called wrong ideas, because I have been a man of God for 37 years. You are the one following men's ideas, not me. You think the 1290 is the Anti-Christ when the numbers don't add up, you probably think there are 144,000 super preachers, which there are not, Rev. 14 tells us the Angel takes the gospel unto the whole world. You probably think Dan. 8 is speaking about 2300 days, when it is speaking about 2300 Morning & Evening sacrifices. All because you take in other men's ideas and espouse them as fact.
 

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However, as He says "many" come in His name, saying "I am Christ"...we would do well to consider Paul--not as a false Christ, but as one who claimed, "for me to live is Christ." Indeed, each of the apostles also came in His name, as do any and all who take up His name. Many.
For instance, Jesus was speaking SPECIFICALLY about 70 AD false christs here, because this was put forth as a Prophecy unto the Pharisees (John 5:43) when he told them they would not accept him who came in the Fathers name, but would accept another who came in his own name.

Thus, when we get to 65ish AD, the Pharisees were not unlearned men, they knew Rome was the fourth beast, they saw things getting worse, they naturally tried to rally their citizens to the cause, but they expected a Messianic Savior in a political type of man, thus as things got worse and worse its a known fact they kept putting forth men as that political messianic figure, all because they missed Jesus as the suffering Messiah.

Thus, thus is not a relevant passage unto the End Times, that only starts in verse 15, verses 1-14 has nothing to do with the 70th eek tribulation.
 

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The Book of Revelation (BoR) is not sealed, it is instead encoded, we have the holy spirit as the church, thus we can understand it, especially in these end times looking backward, if we are persistent. The major challenge is unravelling the book via the "timelines" then everything else is much easier to comprehend if one understands the order of the BoR, tbh, anyone saying that the BoR is in chronological order are completely in the dark and not to be taken seriously on the BoR.
This is how cults phrase their knowledge: only we can show the meaning, and others are in the dark.

You claim those who take Revelation in chronological order are in the dark, and then you give Revelation in Chronological order.

The 42 months do not include the first 6 Trumpets nor 7 Thunders. The 42 months splits the sounding of the 7th Trumpet itself into 2 halves per Daniel 9:27. This 42 months is the utter desolation mentioned by Gabriel after the Second Coming already happened, as well as the first 6 Trumpets and the 7 Thunders. Revelation 10 explains these points. You have too much overlap, and still keep Revelation in Chronological order yourself. The 7 Thunders will happen before the 7th Trumpet just like the 6 Trumpets did. One cannot just dismiss them like they will not happen. We were just not given the details.

Chapters 17 and 18 do not go back and describe events prior to the 6th Seal. Chapters 17 and 18 are in chronological order describing those 42 months of desolation where Satan and the FP control earth from Jerusalem.

People who claim Revelation is not in chronological order are defending their own bias that declares they have a set order to prove their eschatology is the one and only special revelation to a select few. If that is not the case, then don't assert all others are in the dark. Revelation was given over 1900 years ago for billions of humans to understand.
 

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The seals DO NOTHING except open the Sealed Trumpet Judgment scroll. Why can't people get the concept, it is really simply, we make it complex. Jesus gave us an example of a sealed message, people 2000 years ago got this, a king sent a message and placed three waxed signet seals on the letter in order tp assure his message was not spied out by others. is one seal was off, he was still ok, the message was A-OK, eve if two were off, he was still A-OK, no one had a signet seal like unto his, they were unique. But if three were off the message had been read by someone more than likely and the messenger may be at risk of death.

Any Message still sealed is thus not doing anything as per instructing other at that point, only when the last seal is off is the message readable. If the king sent word that the 2nd in command in such and such city was to be killed, when the 1st in command opened the 1st seal, nothing happened did it? There was no instructions yet. When the 2nd seal was opened, again, nothing happens, but when the 3rd seal is opened, the 1st in command sends for the 2nd in command, and then, AND ONLY THEN, does the action start, the kings commands are caried out.

The Trumpet Judgments are SEALED UP. Only when the 7 seals are taken off does the Judgments of God fall onto mankind. The seals are it judgments. This is why there is silence at the 7th seal, judgment is not pleasant to God, He repented Himself fir the great flood, it sorrowed Him greatly. This is also why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8.
This concept is not what is portrayed in Revelation 5.

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

John did not write this book that was sealed up. John wrote what God literally did after the book, itself was opened. So what John wrote was not what was inside the book. That would be like saying John wrote down all the events, then the book was sealed, now John is seeing his own writings being unsealed. Your concept makes sense, but that is not the point of Revelation at all.

The book with 7 Seals is the Lamb's book of life sealed from the foundation of current reality. It contains all names of every soul ever conceived. It is the Atonement Covenant book of the redeemed. Once it is opened names will be deleted. That is why there is silence. The judgment of God is about to fall and on those whose names will be removed from this sealed book. That is why only the Lamb was worthy to open this book. It was sealed at and by God Himself on the Cross as the Lamb of God. And from God's perspective outside of creation, this act happened even before creation itself.

That is why only Christ as Prince in Daniel 9:27 is worthy to confirm this Atonement Covenant with humanity.