IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[Doug]

Let us examine this more closely.

Where in Peter's writings does he exclude Blood Washed Gentile believers?

He preaches and writes to Israel
Even in Acts 10 when the Gentiles responded to his preaching they were astonished

 

[rebuilder 454]

He preaches and writes to Israel
Even in Acts 10 when the Gentiles responded to his preaching they were astonished

Peter recieved the REVELATION that the Gentiles were included in the new covenant.
Why do you twist it and muddy it up?
Acts 10
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Peter, they guy you attempt to nullify, preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles, and you nit pick it into oblivion.

I got to say, if that does not give you red flags about what you are doing.... something is wrong.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus said "before the flood, one taken, one left"
BEFORE THE FLOOD.

JESUS said BEFORE THE FLOOD BE READY.

JESUS SAID ONE TAKEN ONE LEFT. Before the flood
Ahem..... 50% of that group taken

ALL postribs are forced to ascribe that group of those taken to the world's population.

I just shake my head at them trying to make the planet half saved and half righteous.
How can you do that to the bible???????


It is devastating to what you believe.
I just blew your theory into orbit and all postribs are unaware of what I just did.

YEP = BEFORE the FLOOD

When does this occur = according to JESUS in Matthew ch24

 

[David in NJ]

He preaches and writes to Israel
Even in Acts 10 when the Gentiles responded to his preaching they were astonished

AGREE

Is Peter the author of Scripture?

 

[Doug]

AGREE

Is Peter the author of Scripture?

Peter wrote 2 letters

 

[David in NJ]

Peter wrote 2 letters

Are the two letters of Peter from himself only or did the Holy Spirit move in Peter to write what he wrote???

 

[Doug]

Are the two letters of Peter from himself only or did the Holy Spirit move in Peter to write what he wrote???

We already established this.....the Spirit

 

[David in NJ]

We already established this.....the Spirit

Therefore 1 & 2nd Peter does not belong to Peter, nor is it limited to those he wrote to, neither is it 'past tense' scriptural truth.

 

[amigo de christo]

Let us examine this more closely.

Where in Peter's writings does he exclude Blood Washed Gentile believers?

IT dont . the same gospel peter preached on the day of pentecost
WAS the identical same one he preached to the house of the gentile cornelious .
Paul was well . be preached in every jewish synagogue
THAT ONE SAME GOSPEL , some jews heard , some greeks heard .
ITS THE ONE same gospel . Yep .
From the first unto the last page , THEM WORDS be TRUTH .
that do include Also every gospel , every letter of every apostel . ITS GOOD for the church
WHICH i might add are those WHO BELIEVE JESUS is THE CHRIST , whether born a jew or a gentile .
SAME gospel . as i am sure you already know this my friend . I seen far too many fables
in my days . Me , i say if they wrote it , BELIEVE IT . its that simple for me .

 

[Doug]

Therefore 1 & 2nd Peter does not belong to Peter, nor is it limited to those he wrote to, neither is it 'past tense' scriptural truth.

All scripture is for our learning but you cant say it applies to all
Peter was moved to write 1 and 2 Peter by the Spirit to benefit Israel in the tribulation

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore 1 & 2nd Peter does not belong to Peter, nor is it limited to those he wrote to, neither is it 'past tense' scriptural truth.

Even when writing his letter to the church
he even mentions HE will leave them a way to have this always in remembrance .
And HE included paul . Not a one of them preached a different gospel .
And all them letters they did gather together
they eventually got into what is known as canon . AND every letter in it , WAS inspired of the SPIRIT
and ever letter in it , IS FOR THE CHURCH as much TODAY as ever it was the day it was first wrote long ago .
This sheep keeps it real simple . IF it is written SIMPLY BELIEVE IT . its men folks need to watch out for they twist everything .

 

[David in NJ]

All scripture is for our learning but you cant say it applies to all
Peter was moved to write 1 and 2 Peter by the Spirit to benefit Israel in the tribulation

Where does it state that the Holy Spirit was only speaking thru Peter to only those Jews at that time.

 

[Doug]

Where does it state that the Holy Spirit was only speaking thru Peter to only those Jews at that time.

Its not as simple as we want not everything is all spelled out
That it was directed to Israel during the tribulation can be determined by context and comparing to other scripture

 

[David in NJ]

Its not as simple as we want not everything is all spelled out
That it was directed to Israel during the tribulation can be determined by context and comparing to other scripture

No one is denying to whom Peter was writing to = except yourself, when you limit the Holy Spirit who is the Author of Peter's words.

The LORD ascended to Heaven to the Throne of His FATHER and is no longer here earth = or is HE?

Peter has died, his body to the grave, his spirit/soul to Christ Above.

The origional group of saints whom Peter wrote have all died as well.

Has the Holy Spirit died with them, whereby the scripture is now a mute point???

 

[Doug]

Where does it state that the Holy Spirit was only speaking thru Peter to only those Jews at that time.

[1Pe 1:5 KJV] 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The last time is the end of the tribulation when Christ brings salvation to Israel

 

[Doug]

The origional group of saints whom Peter wrote have all died as well.

They will be raised to enter the millennial kingdom on earth

 

[David in NJ]

[1Pe 1:5 KJV] 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The last time is the end of the tribulation when Christ brings salvation to Israel

Who exactly is waiting for this salvation?

They will be raised to enter the millennial kingdom on earth

Only them and not us gentiles who believe the Gospel?

 

[Doug]

Who exactly is waiting for this salvation?

Israel

 

[David in NJ]

Israel

the earthbound nation is just one group awaiting Salvation for they have not yet been restored by God = read Romans chapters 9 thru 11

What about the Blood Washed Saints = both Jew and Gentile who make up the Body of Christ = are we awaiting Salvation as well?

 

[Doug]

Only them and not us gentiles who believe the Gospel?

The old testament saints will be raised to enter the kingdom
Those who died in the tribulation will be raised to enter the kingdom
Gentile nations will enter the kingdom as seen in Matthew 25:31-46
The believing remnant of Israel will enter the kingdom