Just saying that the church headed by Peter still observed the law of Moses which included circumcision and baptisms
Paul circumcised Timothy so they wouldnt offend the Jews, but preached against it in Galatians
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Paul circumcised Timothy so they wouldnt offend the Jews, but preached against it in Galatians
I didnt say they were
Just saying that in the church headed by Peter there were no pastors or deacons. There was still priests serving in the temple and the church headed by Peter met there
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Again, in the Temple they did meet in one accord, to blend in like common Jews, just to get an opportunity to minister unto them the Gospel.
Apparently, they are imitating their Master Jesus, where in the beginning He and them as disciples in one accord continued in the Temple.
And there's no scriptural evidence that Jesus 'worshiped' and 'prayed' in the Temple, but rather there's scriptural evidence, Jesus did them outside the Temple.
It's an 'missionary strategy' like their Master Jesus, as even Paul expounded, that when he is with the Jews he like a Jew.
And, when he's with Gentiles he like a Gentile in a good way to win them over to Christ.
Scriptural evidence after Christ, the church led by Peter met in houses in one accord like their Master Jesus, as well as on the day of Pentecost in the beginning.
Just don't take a verse out of context and paint a whole new picture or scenario to one's 'itching ear', when the verses in context 'refutes' of it's 'fiction'.
Acts 2:
46. And they, continuing with one accord in the Temple, ......................................
'They', is referring to the Apostles and can be two or three at a time, in one accord continued in the Temple.
And the scriptural evidence we read of this, where only Peter and John at one time in one accord continued in the Temple.
Yet when they got arrested for healing a man at the Temple, the church in one accord prayed for them in a 'house', and not in the Temple.
So if any were to speculate in the beginning the whole church led by Peter in one accord continued in the Temple is 'false', even there's no scriptural evidence.
Readers, based on my given contextual of the scripture explanation is rather 'sound', compared to Doug's out of context speculation repetition.
The reason is, 'Let GOD be the truth and man a liar.'
That's why Jesus did not sit down and continue with Nicodemus but moved on leaving with what was vital for Nicodemus beforehand.
Because as you can witness for yourself as similarly in the case of Doug, him and me are going around in circle on one topic, as Nicodemus 'born again'.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
When did 'they' observe 'circumcision' in the New Testament , even Paul 'refuted' the Galatian Gentile church forbidding them.
Just because one incident Paul circumcised Timothy and have explained why, you in 'fallacy' want to speculate they and the church 'observed' circumcision??
What has the 'ceremonial washing' according to the Law of Moses, have to do with 'water baptism' of the Gospel in the New Testament?
Nothing!
Why does it bother you, do you want to be 'circumcised' or 'uncircumcised', or to 'cut the whole thing off'??
Paul is a chosen 'instrument' of Christ, and we're just a 'lukewarm' church of today, ever learning and never come to the knowledge of the truth.
And scripturally Paul circumcised young Timothy for a very good reason, as a companion for the Gospel, together to reach out without 'disturbance', the unsaved Jews.
To Paul it was like going through 'birth pangs', that 'many' Israelites the beloved ones of GOD have not been saved by the Gospel.
By the way, 'circumcision' started by Abraham himself, to his household, as a 'sign' in acceptance/agreement to the covenant of GOD, even before the Law of Moses.
On the other hand, according to the epistle of Paul, Timothy was a Jew and since young he was taught in the Holy scriptures of the Jews.
He was not circumcised when he was 8 days old because his parent were mixed, mother Jew and father non-Jew.
The church in the beginning need not, since they had with them the Apostles chosen by Christ, and Peter as the 'rock'.
Again, 'they' in the scripture is referring to the Apostles in one accord 'continued' in the Temple, as did their Master Jesus from the beginning.
Only Peter and John as Apostles in one accord went into the Temple, and there's available scriptural record to prove.
At the same time, there's no scriptural record of the church in one accord continued in the Temple following Peter and John, in and out.
.And about the church which in one accord continued in houses, the following verse read, 'they' the Apostles broke bread from 'house' to 'house' where the church gathers.
Not in the Temple!
I dont know your point here
Not that it is of great significance, but I dont see that the "they" are the apostles when "they" in the other verses refers to the believers
[Act 2:41-42, 44-46 KJV] 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. ... 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
[Luk 1:59 KJV] 59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.
The church that Peter headed was the church Jesus built which followed the Mosaic law
The priests and the people were cleansed with water under law
John the baptist and Peter and even Jesus commanded water baptism to remit sins
Dont get your point
The body of Christ church had the apostle Paul and other apostles but they had pastors none the less
Jesus said, "I did not come to do away with the Law and the Prophets until it is fulfilled.'
Yes the Law was still in active, even Jesus was 'circumcised' after John the Baptist, until it was 'fulfilled' on the Cross.
So what are you mix matching scripture when they don't add up to your point?
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Okay i get it and i take off my hat for that, you've got a strong point there by these verses in context about 'they'.
Meaning, besides the Apostles, believers are also included, in one accord 'they' daily continued in the Temple.
Sorry, my bad!
Nevertheless the disagreement is, to you 'they' in one accord continued daily in Temple abiding still by the Law of Moses.
Yes, sort of, in the newness of heart, whilst to please and win the hearts of the unsaved Jews. and given a chance, minister the Gospel for their salvation, i agree!
Also to you, 'they' worshiped and prayed in the Temple with the unsaved Jews abiding still by the Law of Moses.
Yes probably sort of, then again in the newness of heart, and same intention, i agree!
Prior, Jesus also in one accord with His disciple continued in the Temple likewise. during Jewish daily services under the Law of Moses.
Do we have any scriptural account of Jesus with His disciples, 'praying' and 'worshipping' with the unsaved Jews in the Temple?
No!
Do we have scriptural account, Jesus from 12 years of age and after 30s onward, in one accord with the FATHER and the Holy Ghost, and disciples, ministered the Kingdom of GOD to the unsaved Jews in the Temple and Israel?
Yes!
So, do the math, after Christ what 'the Apostles and church continued daily in one accord with the FATHER, Son and the Holy Ghost, did in the Temple.
Do you know with the FATHER and Son, the born again Apostles and church's 'spirit' and 'demeanor', helped and comforted by the Holy Ghost, are 'set apart' as 'saints' from the unsaved Jews?
Now 'they' freed by the Law of Christ and under the New Covenant of GOD, daily in one accord, even in the Temple or Israel, 'uphold' the Law of Moses rather.
And 'they' no longer bound to the Law of Moses as slaves once again like the unsaved Jews in the Temple or Israel??
Apparently the Law of Moses only brought the Israelites, 'sin', 'curse' and 'death' in 'damnation', thus eternal separation from GOD.
Therefore why the 'saints' should go back and abide by it again, as in the parable, 'A dog which goes back to lick it's vomit.'?
Unwise!
For the Law of Moses is from GOD and Spiritual, but the flesh is weak unable to fulfill it's requirements.
Therefore to conclude, from Jesus, to the Apostles and church in one accord's 'goal' and 'purpose', whether in Israel or the Temple on that day.
Is to first, win the hearts of the unsaved Jews by behaving and observing in the 'newness of heart', what they since bound by the Law of Moses behave and observe, whether in the Temple or Israel.
And second, given an opportunity, then minister the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD for their salvation most of all.
For thought, if 'they' continued abiding by the Law of Moses with the unsaved Jews in the Temple or Israel, they wouldn't be arrested and persecuted by their 'kinsmen'.
Thank you and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, but the 'method' and 'purpose' was different as of the Law of Moses being the 'temporal custodian'.
Yes, yet again the 'method' and 'purpose' was different as of the Law of Christ being the 'Everlasting Father' and for eternity.
Moreover there's no scripture piecing them together as 'related', like the serpent figure held by Moses and the Messiah Son of GOD on the Cross.
Get the point?
Correction, the body of Christ church is universally 'one', and GOD has put in the church first of all Apostles, second Prophets, third Teachers and etc. (1Corinthians12:28)
Then later they had pastors and etc.
Moreover the universal church is built upon the foundation of, first the Apostles and second the Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner stone.
In the beginning, the one body of Christ church had first of all Apostles put by GOD. as the 'vital prominent figure' to build HIS church.
Besides others who took office later 'down the line', to ensure the universal church stick and abide by their foundation, and not astray.
As for us today, the foundation of first the Apostles we're built upon, are from the Gospel according to Apostle Matthew to the Revelation according to Apostle John.
In them include the foundation of second the Prophets simultaneously we're built upon together as the New Covenant foundation of GOD.
For the record, the 12 chosen Apostles in the beginning were discipled, trained and sent by Jesus to proclaim the Gospel, and forth for three and a half years.
And likewise together with Jesus, they built the first church held in houses from Jerusalem to neighboring states, and then after His departure to all nation.
Until their 'legacy' can be read and witnessed until half of the book of Acts, and then only read Saul's conversion to Paul as the 13th Apostle.
[Act 21:21 KJV] 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs...................They were still following circumcising according to the law
[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:.....................men from James church headed by Peter was telling the Gentiles who believed Peter in Acts 10 to be circumcised (Acts 15:7)
I will cite this again...............[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:..........those saying the Gentiles had to be circumcised were those Jews from the church headed by Peter
[1Co 12:28 KJV] 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Prophets arent bishops and deacons
This verse refers to the Jewish believers added to the church who are yet zealous of the Law.
Apparently the Apostles forbid the Gentile believers from 'circumcision' and the 'Law'. which is 'abolished' since Christ have fulfilled it
Read carefully, 'certain which went out from us' and 'to whom we gave no such commandment'.
This shows it is the work of imposters and counterfeits who've become opposition to the Apostles and their teaching.
Doesn't matter, but according to the word of GOD, in the beginning HE placed second inline Prophets as well to be in charge of the church.
Don't on your own accord carelessly exalt bishops and deacons who are likewise with the church built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets as well.
Therefore bishops and deacons are under them and serve them, to make sure the church remain in their foundation and not astray.
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