Right or left shoulder then? How does any of these conspiracy theories relate to a mark in the forehead or right hand?
IS THE VACCINE THE MARK OF THE BEAST?!?
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DuckieLady
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My moms theory - most people hold their phone in their right hand.
In Coronavirus Fight, China Gives Citizens a Color Code, With Red Flags (Published 2020)
Something similar to that is happening in WA.
I can't remember the part she said about the forehead. I would need to ask.
There is an interesting article on the preterist fullfillment of the mark of the beast long ago in the Roman empire. I've long felt that Pompeii is the Babylon talked about in Revelation, which was destroyed shortly after it was written:
Mark of the beast
For other uses, see Mark of the Beast (disambiguation).
Coin showing Nero distributing charity to a citizen, c. 64–66
The Classical Greek word charagma (χάραγμα), translated as mark (of the beast) in Revelation 13:16 can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded; stamped money, document, or coin.[49][50]
The mark of the beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian Eschatology.
Preterist view
A common preterist view of the Mark of the beast (focusing on the past) is the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell.[51] New Testament scholar C.C. Hill notes, "It is far more probable that the mark symbolizes the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). It had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry."[52]
Adela Yarbro Collins further denotes that the refusal to use Roman coins resulted in the condition where "no man might buy or sell".[53][54] A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester. "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God."[55]
In 66 AD, when Nero was emperor—about the time some scholars say Revelation was written—the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money.
The passage is also seen as an antithetical parallelism to the Jewish institution of tefillin—Hebrew Bible texts worn bound to the arm and the forehead during daily prayer. Instead of binding their allegiance to God to their arm and head, the place is instead taken with people's allegiance to the beast.[51]
Here's the destruction of Pompeii in 79 AD. Revelation was written around 66AD.
Of the many eruptions of Mount Vesuvius, a major stratovolcano in southern Italy, the most famous is its eruption in 79 AD, which was one of the deadliest in European history.[2]
In the autumn of 79 AD, Mount Vesuvius violently spewed forth a deadly cloud of super-heated tephra and gases to a height of 33 km (21 mi), ejecting molten rock, pulverized pumice and hot ash at 1.5 million tons per second, ultimately releasing 100,000 times the thermal energy of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[3] The event gives its name to the Vesuvian type of volcanic eruption, characterised by eruption columns of hot gases and ash exploding into the stratosphere, although the event also included pyroclastic flows associated with Pelean eruptions.
DuckieLady
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That is interesting.. I'll have to take more time to look deeper into it. I can't make up my mind on it just yet.There is an interesting article on the preterist fullfillment of the mark of the beast long ago in the Roman empire. I've long felt that Pompeii is the Babylon talked about in Revelation, which was destroyed shortly after it was written:
Mark of the beast
For other uses, see Mark of the Beast (disambiguation).
Coin showing Nero distributing charity to a citizen, c. 64–66
The Classical Greek word charagma (χάραγμα), translated as mark (of the beast) in Revelation 13:16 can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded; stamped money, document, or coin.[49][50]
The mark of the beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian Eschatology.
Preterist view
A common preterist view of the Mark of the beast (focusing on the past) is the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell.[51] New Testament scholar C.C. Hill notes, "It is far more probable that the mark symbolizes the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). It had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry."[52]
Adela Yarbro Collins further denotes that the refusal to use Roman coins resulted in the condition where "no man might buy or sell".[53][54] A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester. "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God."[55]
In 66 AD, when Nero was emperor—about the time some scholars say Revelation was written—the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money.
The passage is also seen as an antithetical parallelism to the Jewish institution of tefillin—Hebrew Bible texts worn bound to the arm and the forehead during daily prayer. Instead of binding their allegiance to God to their arm and head, the place is instead taken with people's allegiance to the beast.[51]
I honestly can't tell at this point, and my mind goes back and forth, but I think regardless it is obvious that they don't have good intentions and this isn't taking place in one area. This is a political power trying to take over the entire world and force people into taking something they do not want.
For anyone interested, there is a good scholarly article on the Roman mark of the beast located here:
No, the COVID-19 vaccine is not linked to the mark of the beast – but a first-century Roman tyrant probably is
(The Conversation) — The mass rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led to concerns from some people that can be described as rational: What are the side effects? How effective will the shot be? And then there are those who are worried that the vaccine will brand people with the “mark of the beast” as described in the New Testament’s Book of Revelation.
The mark of the beast — a cryptic mark in Revelation which indicates allegiance to Satan — has been invoked by fringe Christian figures throughout the pandemic in reference to what they deem to be the evil of masks and vaccines. It ranges from the seemingly metaphorical likening of vaccine passports by a Republican House representative to something like “Biden’s mark of the beast” to the more literal interpretation that those getting a vaccine would be marked as followers of Satan.
It is tempting to dismiss such beliefs out of hand. After all, it is a fringe idea promoted by conspiracy theorists. But the idea has gained enough traction that some medical establishments have felt the need to address it head on. Minneapolis-based Hennepin Healthcare, for example, states in an online fact sheet that “the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain … The Mark of the Beast.”
No, the COVID-19 vaccine is not linked to the mark of the beast – but a first-century Roman tyrant probably is
(The Conversation) — The mass rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led to concerns from some people that can be described as rational: What are the side effects? How effective will the shot be? And then there are those who are worried that the vaccine will brand people with the “mark of the beast” as described in the New Testament’s Book of Revelation.
The mark of the beast — a cryptic mark in Revelation which indicates allegiance to Satan — has been invoked by fringe Christian figures throughout the pandemic in reference to what they deem to be the evil of masks and vaccines. It ranges from the seemingly metaphorical likening of vaccine passports by a Republican House representative to something like “Biden’s mark of the beast” to the more literal interpretation that those getting a vaccine would be marked as followers of Satan.
It is tempting to dismiss such beliefs out of hand. After all, it is a fringe idea promoted by conspiracy theorists. But the idea has gained enough traction that some medical establishments have felt the need to address it head on. Minneapolis-based Hennepin Healthcare, for example, states in an online fact sheet that “the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain … The Mark of the Beast.”
Yes and it's democrat. I see that republicans have a more sound logic in dealing with the pandemic and global warming issues. Biden is in the process of destroying the country that's for sure. There are some educated articles about revelation that people ignore. In fact it says in revelation that these things must shortly come to pass. Which is why I'm more inclined to say that much of revelation has already happened.
Revelation 1:1
King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
DuckieLady
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That's true but Jesus also said he would be coming "soon." After 2,000 years that sounds like a long time to us but it is only now in the last 150 years, with our technology, is it actually possible to successfully preach the gospel to the world. And around 2,000 years in comparison to eternity is actually soon. That's pretty quick.
I'm going to go pray about it. I will try, but I'm not sure that I will get an answer about it because some things we don't always need to know.
Will go pray about it anyway.
Yes Jesus was predicted to return in revelation coming in clouds written around 66AD. In 54 CE 1 Corinthians references Christ's 1st coming. So we all assume that his second coming is yet to happen. But is that what revelation is referring to as things that must shortly come to pass? 2000 years is not a short time in the biblical sense.
See: (When was the Bible written?). "The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let’s start at the beginning of this fascinating story."
DuckieLady
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What chapter of 1 Corinthians are you referring to? The space between the Old Testament and New Testament was 400 years of silence. I know that much.
I'm not sure which verse you are referring to, but I know Paul had assumed Christ would come back in his own lifetime but that was merely his own assumption and human error. I can't remember if 1 Corinthians is the right chapter.
Jesus himself is not recorded as having said that, however.
1 Corinthians 15:4-6 "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."
DuckieLady
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Yes but that's just the ascension. So you see Acts 1:11. The angels told them he would come back again. :)
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Also I should mention he was seen outside the tomb but not ascended yet so he instructed Mary I think it was not to touch him. He then ascended and came down for the first coming as mentioned in 1 Corinthians. People touched him at his first coming.
John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:25-27
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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See post #73, He had to ascend first to return and be touched. It was not before his ascension that he appeared to everyone. It was afterwards so they could touch him.
DuckieLady
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Mary was the mother of Jesus and it is more likely that the reason Jesus told her not to touch him was because she didn't want her to "cling" to him (that's what that verse means by touch) because she would lose him again.
Basically, protecting her heart because he wasn't going to stay. Mary needed to let go and trust God. Thomas needed to believe.
"IS THE VACCINE THE MARK OF THE BEAST?!"
No, just a precursor to deceive.
No, just a precursor to deceive.
DuckieLady
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I would go with this. @kcnalp what do you think about what @devin553344 posted regarding Nero, though?
I'm not well-versed enough on the subject.
Huh, yes that would be the belief of most people. I guess I took it literally and that he couldn't be touched yet before his ascension. It was later in the night that he appeared to the twelve.
So what is the paradise is Jesus is referring to here:
Luke 23:39-43
39One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41“And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Is that Heaven paradise? Or Abrahams bosom? Spiritual visit.
DuckieLady
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Yeah, I would think so too. But the word used is "haptou".
Strong's Greek: 680. ἅπτομαι (haptomai) -- touch.
So it is touch, but it is a touch that means like holding onto. In other translations that is how it is translated as "hold onto" or similar.
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