IS THERE A NEW DENOMINATION FORMING? Yep, it is here!

[Grailhunter]

And I'm afraid it will only get worse. I see us being groomed to become like China.

They are Communist but are to a point alse democratic-capitalist. I think that evolution is the whole reason for this world wide pandemic and the fear paradigm behind it.

Fear the virus = mask up and fear one another and self-isolate. Let others take care of your needs. Let government send you money while you live afraid and don't work. Learn to live with less and blame it on the virus. Fear not complying with these new rules.
Stay six feet apart and always have a mask. So that over this last year and beyond we lose our identity out in the open. And when one state government early on thought about mandating masks in the privacy of our own homes, some of us thought that may be a good idea.
And be willing to sacrifice for the greater good, the safety of all. You don't go to work. Why should you expect to go to church, temple, the mosque? Think of the dangers! Someone might sneeze!
And whatever you do, don't think to ask the question: If we're going to be safe wearing a mask, why do we need to stay six (666?) feet apart?
If we can't go to work due to the risk of being gathered together in groups, why is it Ok for others gathered in large groups to deliver necessities to us while we're in lockdown at home? All because we're at risk while they're designated as essential.

OBEY!

It's only going to get worse. Because we're not all brave enough to stop it. We'd rather all comply just to feel safe.

Strange as it seems it is all a matter of what people will let happen. Right now they hiding because they are terrified that they will get what they deserve. God willing the people will rise up against it. The founders knew that any government that would follow could turn tyrannical that is why the constitution was written so that the populous would be armed. The military is not communist and they can only count on them to turn on the people...that is their mom and dad and brother and sister. I am exmilitary and I know that if my commanding officer gave the order to turn against the people, he would not live long.

 

[Ezra]

Is this associated with the concepts of OSAS?

NO

 

[Brakelite]

@Grailhunter
A number of points. First. To your question, "when will Christ return?" You then wrote of all the bad stuff that has been happening not just late, but throughout history. Then you mentioned how church attendance is declining, and how Christianity in general has become a limp wristed ineffectual bastion of righteousness in the world. (Not your words I know). I think however you are missing something. Christ, and we know this from prophecy, is coming soon. But is it the bas stuff that is motivating Him to return? Is it disasters and the like that He has been waiting for? Like leaving things to the very last minute before He rescues whatever is left of His people? I think not. While I agree that bad stuff is happening, both in the world and in the church, there is some excellent stuff happening too. But it isn't in the limelight. The final church in the last days is a remnant. That remnant according to
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Then a little further on, this church is described again...
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
There are only two churches in the end. The true church as depicted above, a remnant, a small remainder of the original, and the false church gathered together under the leadership of the harlot woman of spiritual Babylon. A global apostasy.
But God is preparing that remnant. This is His bride. If members of todays church refuse to clothe themselves appropriately for the wedding (in Christ's righteousness) they shall be left outside with the doors shut. (Parable of the 10 virgins). It is true that there is a falling away...the church is declining in attendance and in consecration and in defense of truth. God is in control of this and is shaking the tares out. So there is a church which is being prepared. This isn't one single denomination. There are true Christians in every denomination, but I suggest that when the real pressure comes with the mark and global tyranny etc., those individuals will be gathered together in a unity that will bear witness to the truth. They, having been prepared by the Father and Spirit of Truth, will find agreement in doctrine, methodology, and the proclamation of the gospel. They all will be keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus, the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy. They will understand prophecy. They will understand their place in the historical context of these last days. They will understand the urgency in the gospel truths in the context of righteousness by faith, and in preparing for the greatest event in the history of mankind. They will understand the significance in David's words to Solomon here...
9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

 

[Grailhunter]

I agree adn

@Grailhunter
A number of points. First. To your question, "when will Christ return?" You then wrote of all the bad stuff that has been happening not just late, but throughout history. Then you mentioned how church attendance is declining, and how Christianity in general has become a limp wristed ineffectual bastion of righteousness in the world. (Not your words I know). I think however you are missing something. Christ, and we know this from prophecy, is coming soon. But is it the bas stuff that is motivating Him to return? Is it disasters and the like that He has been waiting for? Like leaving things to the very last minute before He rescues whatever is left of His people? I think not. While I agree that bad stuff is happening, both in the world and in the church, there is some excellent stuff happening too. But it isn't in the limelight. The final church in the last days is a remnant. That remnant according to
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Then a little further on, this church is described again...
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
There are only two churches in the end. The true church as depicted above, a remnant, a small remainder of the original, and the false church gathered together under the leadership of the harlot woman of spiritual Babylon. A global apostasy.
But God is preparing that remnant. This is His bride. If members of todays church refuse to clothe themselves appropriately for the wedding (in Christ's righteousness) they shall be left outside with the doors shut. (Parable of the 10 virgins). It is true that there is a falling away...the church is declining in attendance and in consecration and in defense of truth. God is in control of this and is shaking the tares out. So there is a church which is being prepared. This isn't one single denomination. There are true Christians in every denomination, but I suggest that when the real pressure comes with the mark and global tyranny etc., those individuals will be gathered together in a unity that will bear witness to the truth. They, having been prepared by the Father and Spirit of Truth, will find agreement in doctrine, methodology, and the proclamation of the gospel. They all will be keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus, the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy. They will understand prophecy. They will understand their place in the historical context of these last days. They will understand the urgency in the gospel truths in the context of righteousness by faith, and in preparing for the greatest event in the history of mankind. They will understand the significance in David's words to Solomon here...
9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.[/QUOTE

That is true and my point with mentioning the "bad stuff" is that...is it the bad stuff that is going to motivate His return or is it a schedule...an appointed time.

 

[Enoch111]

Is This a trend....a movement....a denomination....a cultural shift....or just apathy?

I would not put too much stock in such "studies" when they deal with such subjects.

 

[Grailhunter]

I would not put too much stock in such "studies" when they deal with such subjects.

Not sure what you mean.

 

[Brakelite]

"That is true and my point with mentioning the "bad stuff" is that...is it the bad stuff that is going to motivate His return or is it a schedule...an appointed time."
Not the bad stuff I don't think. In the parable of the ten virgins the Bridegroom was delayed. Was He delayed because of bad stuff taking place? NO, I think He was delayed because the bride wasn't ready. I think Jesus is timing His coming according to prophecy yes, but the prophecy takes into account human frailty. I believe He would have come sooner...the prophecies could have been completed earlier had God allowed it, and Jesus come for His people if they were ready. But everything has been delayed. But God does have a timetable and He will have His church ready before Satan has his complete way in the world. It's a finely drawn line I think between gathering the greatest number of people into the barn, having those people prepared adequately for heavenly and angelic company, (the righteousness of Christ), and accomplishing this seeming impossible feat before Satan destroys the whole shebang.

 

[Grailhunter]

"That is true and my point with mentioning the "bad stuff" is that...is it the bad stuff that is going to motivate His return or is it a schedule...an appointed time."
Not the bad stuff I don't think. In the parable of the ten virgins the Bridegroom was delayed. Was He delayed because of bad stuff taking place? NO, I think He was delayed because the bride wasn't ready. I think Jesus is timing His coming according to prophecy yes, but the prophecy takes into account human frailty. I believe He would have come sooner...the prophecies could have been completed earlier had God allowed it, and Jesus come for His people if they were ready. But everything has been delayed. But God does have a timetable and He will have His church ready before Satan has his complete way in the world. It's a finely drawn line I think between gathering the greatest number of people into the barn, having those people prepared adequately for heavenly and angelic company, (the righteousness of Christ), and accomplishing this seeming impossible feat before Satan destroys the whole shebang.

And as Christ indicated, His Father knows the time.

 

[Brakelite]

And as Christ indicated, His Father knows the time.

I think it would be somewhat naïve to think the Father hasn't disclosed that important piece of information to His Son yet.

 

[Enoch111]

Not sure what you mean.

When secular or even "Christian" pollsters and researchers delve into matters concerning morality and spirituality, they rarely report reality. They are by definition limited to a few hundred or few thousand people, and who knows by which criteria they choose their respondents.

Then how do they word their questions, and do people really reveal their innermost thoughts to some strangers regarding morality, who may turn around and twist everything for their own agenda? For example you could ask people "Is murder a heinous crime deserving the death penalty?" and you would get a variety of answers. Then if you asked the same person "Is abortion murder deserving of the death penalty?" they might turn around and start making all kinds of excuses for abortion. Then if you asked "Is it moral to use the tissues of aborted babies to create vaccines?" you would get yet another series of answers.

That study even tells you that the morality of some people is different from the morality of others based upon political affiliation. But you and I know that morality is based primarily upon the Ten Commandments, and all human beings have a conscience. Therefore morality is not a variable.

So unless a discerning Christian were to carefully craft a questionnaire to avoid all these pitfalls (which is rather unlikely) then this is just like the polls and the pollsters. Sometimes these efforts are made to fit a certain agenda, so I do not even take the Barna studies too seriously.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not

When secular or even "Christian" pollsters and researchers delve into matters concerning morality and spirituality, they rarely report reality. They are by definition limited to a few hundred or few thousand people, and who knows by which criteria they choose their respondents.

Then how do they word their questions, and do people really reveal their innermost thoughts to some strangers regarding morality, who may turn around and twist everything for their own agenda? For example you could ask people "Is murder a heinous crime deserving the death penalty?" and you would get a variety of answers. Then if you asked the same person "Is abortion murder deserving of the death penalty?" they might turn around and start making all kinds of excuses for abortion. Then if you asked "Is it moral to use the tissues of aborted babies to create vaccines?" you would get yet another series of answers.

That study even tells you that the morality of some people is different from the morality of others based upon political affiliation. But you and I know that morality is based primarily upon the Ten Commandments, and all human beings have a conscience. Therefore morality is not a variable.

So unless a discerning Christian were to carefully craft a questionnaire to avoid all these pitfalls (which is rather unlikely) then this is just like the polls and the pollsters. Sometimes these efforts are made to fit a certain agenda, so I do not even take the Barna studies too seriously.

Not trusting polls or statistics is not a new thing....right?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Now I could understand how people might think that I hate or I am prejudice against the democrats. lol That is not it at all, intellectually and religiously I am against hate and prejudice. Hate is the road to sin and cruelty…”May His blood be upon us and or children!” and prejudice is just stupid. Most of us have grown up hearing…Judge the sin not the sinner… but when the sinner not only becomes your enemy but the enemy of God, you have to address it and take a stand…just be sure you have your ducks in a row and you are on the right side of the line….

So why do I address and confront?

Here ya go…I am picking on the men…a male democrat maybe good looking and nice and polite. He maybe a hard working tax payer. He maybe a doctor or a truck driver. He maybe a good husband and father and grandfather. He may have served his country in the military. He maybe a church go’er and contribute to charities. Just an all around great guy, right?

Well when he goes in and votes democrat, either because he believes in what they support and their initiatives or just out of pure ignorance, he supports what they do.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, the murder of 600,000 babies a year. Some screaming as they are murdered! Over time, ten years that is 8 million babies mercilessly murdered, that is 8 with 9 zeros…The sin, a mother murdering their own child. Murder is pretty serious sin…ahhh! If you think not, let me know.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, homosexuality and gay marriage. And like murder, it is one of the sins that will disqualify you from the kingdom of heaven.

When he votes democrat he is supporting the drug culture…Another reason that they want open borders. Drugs threaten our children, destroy lives, families, and souls. But for sure democrats are not the only ones doing drugs, but it is no secret that the democrats own the drug culture…lol…not too many republicans owning pot stores.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, a party that has removed God from our schools and is attempting to remove God from our country. They burn Bibles and churches and curse Christ. They leave out the phrase “Under God” from the National Anthem.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, a party that discriminates against Christians, and Jews for that matter. Shutting down churches and holidays but giving a free pass for the murderous mobs.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, removing religious monuments from public places. And also our historical monuments…the whole Cancel Culture thing is strictly democrat.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, a party that openly express their hatred for this country and its flag…they burn the American flag…ironically the people burning the flag are probably wards of the state…we are paying them to do that.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, the party that supports or even directs these destructive and murderous mobs.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, the fake news networks and tabloids…the communist propaganda networks.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, the big tech media moguls that silence the voice of conservative Americans.

When he votes democrat he is supporting the party that has proliferated the Chinese Corona virus by pushing a campaign against the medicine that can be used as a preventative and cure and they speak against the vaccines that are coming out. Of course it was a democrat governor Andrew Cuomo that put thousands of Covid patients in nursing homes when a hospital ship equipped for Covid was docked in their harbor. Around 6500 elderly nursing home residents died from that. Stupidity or intent?

When he votes democrat he is supporting, the anti-gun agenda, attempting to disarm the public and shutdown the police, leaving the public defenseless against the criminals that they coddle and support. In case you do not know it…criminal do not obey gun laws…that is why they call them criminals. If they come into your home and kill you, they try to justify it, if you defend yourself they try to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. Evil hates good!

When he votes democrat he is supporting, open borders so the country is over run with drugs and illegal aliens that do not pay taxes and he support sanctuary cites that not only prevent them from be deported but coddle the criminal element.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, socialism, Marxism and communism….they open declare themselves socialists and Marxists….but as usual they lie, they are communists.

When he votes democrat he is supporting, a lawless group that has little respect for the constitution. Little respect for the law abiding citizens. In fact the law abiding citizen is the target to tax for those that are not law abiding citizens and do not work, and want their living handed to them free. Ever see the democrats praise or fight for law abiding citizens? No.

Still there are nice democrats…Just like there were nice….Nazis….and of the pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor, I am sure there were nice Japanese ….and or those federal prisoners that had molested children and ate them….I am sure their mothers would say they have a good heart. But it is a skewed perception of reality….because all those that vote that way stand on the wrong side of the line…they are shoulder to shoulder with Satan and his demons. Of the wars we have fought, the democrats are of the like we have fought. The enemy within… the fungus that walks among us.

Most of us have heard some guy say, I am the kind of guy that….
Don’t believe them! You are not what you say you are, you are what you do, as it is in this world, but then when you stand before Christ, you are what you did. The democrats are on the wrong side of the line. Just like the Nazis. The death toll of the abortion clinics serve Satan and dwarf the horrors of the Jewish holocaust. And if you want to make a democrat fiery mad, threaten their right to murder babies, because it is candy on Satan's tongue and they serve it up to him.

Is this an audition for Rush Limbaugh's job? If you could spout that stuff verbally off the top of your head, I think you may get the job! I truly miss him ... actually nobody can replace him.
Anyways, all joking aside, I have often wondered how Democrats can call themselves Christian while being aware of all those things you mentioned. I think many of them aren't aware of all of that. At best, they may be immature Christians. And maybe in their thinking, since they realize they cannot be prefect and our salvation is not based on merit; and since God has forgiven their sins (past, present and future), He allows them some latitude to exercise their free will - as long as they do penance. Heaven forbid that we continue "practicing sin" - but they haven't come to that realization yet.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone", strongly suggests that we should not judge, drop the stone and walk away. He is the judge and so we do not know why He is allowing such things to happen in an individual's life. He is dealing with that person and they may repent layer on - we don't know.

Overall, we do see the knowledge of good and evil as necessary and so this division is strangely cut down the middle - almost perfectly. How is that possible, unless it is all for a lesson and God ordained it to be so. He is allowing it to advance to the precipise, when finally good and evil will part. So, what is important just prior to someone's life is that they see the Light and are able to distinguish good from evil. Hopefully they will have an epiphany and will look back and say to themselves, "What was I thinking?"
In the end, His plan will have worked perfectly for all those written in the Book of Life ... and for those who aren't.

 

[Grailhunter]

Is this an audition for Rush Limbaugh's job? If you could spout that stuff verbally off the top of your head, I think you may get the job! I truly miss him ... actually nobody can replace him.
Anyways, all joking aside, I have often wondered how Democrats can call themselves Christian while being aware of all those things you mentioned. I think many of them aren't aware of all of that. At best, they may be immature Christians. And maybe in their thinking, since they realize they cannot be prefect and our salvation is not based on merit; and since God has forgiven their sins (past, present and future), He allows them some latitude to exercise their free will - as long as they do penance. Heaven forbid that we continue "practicing sin" - but they haven't come to that realization yet.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone", strongly suggests that we should not judge, drop the stone and walk away. He is the judge and so we do not know why He is allowing such things to happen in an individual's life. He is dealing with that person and they may repent layer on - we don't know.

Overall, we do see the knowledge of good and evil as necessary and so this division is strangely cut down the middle - almost perfectly. How is that possible, unless it is all for a lesson and God ordained it to be so. He is allowing it to advance to the precipise, when finally good and evil will part. So, what is important just prior to someone's life is that they see the Light and are able to distinguish good from evil. Hopefully they will have an epiphany and will look back and say to themselves, "What was I thinking?"
In the end, His plan will have worked perfectly for all those written in the Book of Life ... and for those who aren't.

There is a lot of truth in what you are saying...but then a man goes on a killing spree in a park. 36 killed and 15 were children and one infant. The police were called...sirens are going off and a call goes out for the State Troopers and a SWAT Team. They surround the suspect...City administration calls on the cell phone and tells the Chief of Police, "Whatever you do, do not hurt him, or he will take us to court or you will end up in prison."

So they capture the suspect without harming him and they all rush in to hug him and give him a lollipop. The family of the victims clap and praise the Lord! Evildoers all over the world see this on the news and give it a thumbs up and start planning their own killing sprees and request in advance for grape flavored lollipops. And some of this is happening now.


Now this is not something that works in the real and it does not work for Christianity. Unconditional Grace and unlimited forgiveness means no morality and an advocacy for sinning. It means that the morality that Christ and the Apostles taught are just suggestions that have no impact on your relationship with God or whether you will go to heaven or not. With all those evildoers going to heaven...would it change the character of heaven?...Then would being in heaven be just like living among the evildoers on earth? Would Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer be sitting next to you at the banquet table. And I do not know if rape or molestation could happen in heaven, but would the evildoers try to figure out how they could. This belief system just does not work.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

There is a lot of truth in what you are saying...but then a man goes on a killing spree in a park. 36 killed and 15 were children and one infant. The police were called...sirens are going off and a call goes out for the State Troopers and a SWAT Team. They surround the suspect...City administration calls on the cell phone and tells the Chief of Police, "Whatever you do, do not hurt him, or he will take us to court or you will end up in prison."

So they capture the suspect without harming him and they all rush in to hug him and give him a lollipop. The family of the victims clap and praise the Lord! Evildoers all over the world see this on the news and give it a thumbs up and start planning their own killing sprees and request in advance for grape flavored lollipops. And some of this is happening now.


Now this is not something that works in the real and it does not work for Christianity. Unconditional Grace and unlimited forgiveness means no morality and an advocacy for sinning. It means that the morality that Christ and the Apostles taught are just suggestions that have no impact on your relationship with God or whether you will go to heaven or not. With all those evildoers going to heaven...would it change the character of heaven?...Then would being in heaven be just like living among the evildoers on earth? Would Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer be sitting next to you at the banquet table. And I do not know if rape or molestation could happen in heaven, but would the evildoers try to figure out how they could. This belief system just does not work.

The entire world system is upside down, twisted, as some call it, an alternate reality where good means evil and evil good.
Isaiah 5:20 warns us of these times. It is the beginning of sorrows as spoken of in Matt. 24 or worse, The Great Tribulation.
So good and evil will soon get sorted out. God is Sovereign. NOBODY WILL GET AWAY WITH ANY INJUSTICE.

 

[Brakelite]

The entire world system is upside down, twisted, as some call it, an alternate reality where good means evil and evil good.
Isaiah 5:20 warns us of these times. It is the beginning of sorrows as spoken of in Matt. 24 or worse, The Great Tribulation.
So good and evil will soon get sorted out. God is Sovereign. NOBODY WILL GET AWAY WITH ANY INJUSTICE.

Do you understand why sinners cannot be permitted into heaven? It's not to protect heaven, it those there, but to exercise mercy for the sinner. The sinner would hate heaven. He would hate the sense of holiness... The selflessness of those there. He would despise the company of holy angels. But most of all, the very presence of God would destroy him. A sinner would find no pleasure in heaven. None at all. By keeping him out and destroying the sinner while still on earth is an act of mercy.

 

[Yan]

I agree with OP @Grailhunter about "Religion Doesn't Make People More Moral".

So, what makes those religious people become lack of moral. Because they know the sin as from the law has a knowledge of the sin and that makes the sin works in them (Romans 7:4-12). So, how should we do then ?
Rejoice and you should take control over your whole body as your spirit has a control to your desire, but put your consciousness and your anxiety to Jesus only.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Do you understand why sinners cannot be permitted into heaven? It's not to protect heaven, it those there, but to exercise mercy for the sinner. The sinner would hate heaven. He would hate the sense of holiness... The selflessness of those there. He would despise the company of holy angels. But most of all, the very presence of God would destroy him. A sinner would find no pleasure in heaven. None at all. By keeping him out and destroying the sinner while still on earth is an act of mercy.

Where did you get the false notion that I thought or implied sinners would go to heaven???

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

With all those evildoers going to heaven...would it change the character of heaven?...Then would being in heaven be just like living among the evildoers on earth? Would Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer be sitting next to you at the banquet table. And I do not know if rape or molestation could happen in heaven, but would the evildoers try to figure out how they could. This belief system just does not work

Where did you get the impression or doctrine that unregenerate evildoers would go to heaven? That's warped! Are you trying to imply that somewhere in my post, I suggested such a thing???
Maybe you misinterpreted my post?
I was pretty clear when I said good and evil will be separated and God's perfect plan will work for those written in the Book of Life and for those who are not.
Make no mistake, unforgiven sinners will be judged and destroyed. But we don't know who they are for sure.
Remember ROE VS. Wade? That decision legalized 50 million abortions to date. Norma McCorvey (alias Jane Roe) is now Christian and Pro-life advocate - go figure.
Heck, I am not sure if my Mom will make it to heaven.
My mother is dying. She is 88 and weeks or months away.mbfrom meet in her Maker. I chipped away at her false beliefs for 30 years such as: Reincarnation, Astrology, and the Universal Energy Force that she will just be dispersed into when she goes. Oh, she was a loving mother, but glorified herself in a narcistic way - which is idolatry. When she was a child, her parents had TB, so she was sent to an orphanage run by Nuns. Well, all we heard throughout our lives was how mean they were and so Catholism and all of Christianity became a resentful sore spot, a grievance she never let go. I've tried to correct her and reason with her, tell her the Nuns really loved her, cared for her for five years. She was just rebellious and did not like the discipline ... the big moment was a slap on the hand ( how terrible and cruel). I used to tell her jokingly - they didn't slap you enough! Still defiant, does not believe she has ever sinned, therefore has no need to ask for forgiveness! Still to this day, to her, I have been brain washed by Christianity. All I can do is continue to pray that God will yank her abruptly out of her state.
That's how it happens sometimes, at a person's final moments, they become humble and reach out for forgiveness, like the sinner next to Jesus.

 

[Grailhunter]

Where did you get the impression or doctrine that unregenerate evildoers would go to heaven? That's warped! Are you trying to imply that somewhere in my post, I suggested such a thing???

I do not.
Need to read the post.

 

[Brakelite]

Where did you get the impression or doctrine that unregenerate evildoers would go to heaven? That's warped! Are you trying to imply that somewhere in my post, I suggested such a thing???
Maybe you misinterpreted my post?
I was pretty clear when I said good and evil will be separated and God's perfect plan will work for those written in the Book of Life and for those who are not.
Make no mistake, unforgiven sinners will be judged and destroyed. But we don't know who they are for sure.
Remember ROE VS. Wade? That decision legalized 50 million abortions to date. Norma McCorvey (alias Jane Roe) is now Christian and Pro-life advocate - go figure.
Heck, I am not sure if my Mom will make it to heaven.
My mother is dying. She is 88 and weeks or months away.mbfrom meet in her Maker. I chipped away at her false beliefs for 30 years such as: Reincarnation, Astrology, and the Universal Energy Force that she will just be dispersed into when she goes. Oh, she was a loving mother, but glorified herself in a narcistic way - which is idolatry. When she was a child, her parents had TB, so she was sent to an orphanage run by Nuns. Well, all we heard throughout our lives was how mean they were and so Catholism and all of Christianity became a resentful sore spot, a grievance she never let go. I've tried to correct her and reason with her, tell her the Nuns really loved her, cared for her for five years. She was just rebellious and did not like the discipline ... the big moment was a slap on the hand ( how terrible and cruel). I used to tell her jokingly - they didn't slap you enough! Still defiant, does not believe she has ever sinned, therefore has no need to ask for forgiveness! Still to this day, to her, I have been brain washed by Christianity. All I can do is continue to pray that God will yank her abruptly out of her state.
That's how it happens sometimes, at a person's final moments, they become humble and reach out for forgiveness, like the sinner next to Jesus.

I'm sorry. I wasn't implying that you said sinners go to heaven. My post was merely informational as to why sinners don't go to heaven. That's all.
As for your mum. I went home to live 3 months after my conversion for a while until I found my own place. My mum was staunch Catholic. She thought I had joined a cult. She passed away in hospital about 20 years later with me at her side reading the Bible to her. She refused any Catholic hocus pocus priest doing "last rites" etc. She was content in her inner faith with her son at her side. She died in peace. There always hope brother. God bless.