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  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    So let’s stop tap dancing BOL...are all these Christians here, just pretending? Are they taking the Eucharist improperly and therefore doomed? And if so in your mind, why do you care what they say about Catholicism? Why are you Hellbent on molesting the Goats?

    “Smithers! release the hounds”
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Good question!
     
  3. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    I might ask it in just the opposite way: Can there be Salvation by holing-up within the confines of the Catholic church?
     
  4. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I agree. So what do you think about it?
     
  5. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    That's the job of the wolf.:D
     
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  6. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    I happen to firmly believe that each of the denominations we have invented is an example of stepping away from God. Actually, an exercise in turning our back on the unity Jesus died for. And Catholicism is just another denomination.
     
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  7. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Willie, Does authority play a role in your faith? I believe God uses human authority....
     
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    Helen Well-Known Member

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    There is salvation outside ANY Church!!
    "Church" has nothing to do with our redemption .
    But-
    " By grace through faith.." :)
     
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  9. Taken

    Taken Well-Known Member

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    A different perspective ~

    CHURCH ~ According to Scripture,
    IS CHRIST'S CHURCH,
    AND IS NOT a Building.

    CHRIST'S CHURCH ~ According to Scripture,
    IS WITHIN a man.

    CHRIST'S CHURCH ~ According to Scripture,
    IS ABOUT Unifomity OF the MEMBERS.

    CHRIST'S CHURCH MEMBERS ~ According to Scripture,
    ARE "NOT" "OF" "THIS WORLD"!

    NUMEROUS ERECTED BUILDING ~
    Call themselves a Church.
    Some EVEN calling their Church..."THE Church" claiming to be,
    "THEE" "UNIVERSAL" Church.

    NEWSFLASH ~ Christ's Church IS A Spiritual Church..ESTABLISHED and CONTROLLED .. BY Thee Lord God Himself, FOR Thee Lord God Himself.

    Manmade Churches, are Established and Errected BY men and FOR
    Men, and NONE will be Left Standing, IN CHRIST'S KINGDOM.

    Glory to God
    Taken
     
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    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    If God can save people in the Protestant camps He can certainly save people in the Roman camp.

    Stranger
     
  11. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    For reals Helen! The Church=His Body, period...not brick and mortar. All we need is a bible, the Holy Spirit and the desire to know Him! We can get teaching from many teachers today, and many awesome authors. One can outgrow a "Church", if they keep teaching on the same things and disregarding other areas of the Bible, are you really getting the full Word? This is not to put down the Church building but, "do not forsake the gathering of the brethren" does not mean (to me, anyhow) you MUST meet for an hour on Sundays or Saturdays in a building. Christians can and do gather throughout the week. You can sit under the teachings of the same preacher week in and week out and still be where you are (spiritually and position-ally) that you were 3 years ago. Small groups are the way to go, Imho. :)
    And as far as the CC goes, it is just silly to even think only they will be saved. I believe there will be big surprises when all is said and done.
     
  12. Philip James

    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    Hello aspen,

    To answer the thread title question:

    No, but Jesus alone knows who is and who is not a member of the one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

    There's an old Orthodox saying that I like very much: ' one can say with assurance where the Church is, but not where it not.'

    Peace be with you!

    Christ IS risen!
    Alleluia!
     
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    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    Hello Willie,

    Your 'belief' that Catholicism is 'just another denomination' is immaterial to the truth or falsehood of that statement.


    They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

    You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

    Peace be with you!

    Christ IS risen!
    Alleluia!
     
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  14. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Of course!
    God is everywhere.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Hey Philip James
    So many love that quote in John.
    1 John 2:19 to be precise.

    You should study up on that verse.
    John was very concerned about gnostics when he wrote that
    and he believed they had already invaded the church.
    Check it out.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    By jove...
    the way things are going....
    I think you're right!
    About churches not left standing, I mean. (small c).
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Yes Aspen...
    There is salvation outside the CC.

    And CCC no. 1271 proves it:

    1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Be nice to your brothers in Christ and read post no. 17
     
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    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and that's a fact.

    The Roman Catholic Church is corrupted and so are all other denominations.

    The understanding of what the word Catholic truly means is what it's all about and all protestant Churches claim to be a Catholic Church and if they did not make such a claim, they would be seen as fools.

    The word Catholic means Universal but I means much more than just that, you can find out what it is meant by such if you look into the RCC before Vatican II started to bastardised the real Church, there was always Satanist within just as it is with any Church, but you can find if you bother to seek. mainly you can find info in old books, new books are rubbish and lack any true depth worth a cracker.

    The RCC under Pope Frances is just freemasonry and Socialism raped up in Political Correctness that was created by the Talmud whore and their Zionist lap dogs, such a bastardry got a foot hold in the top ranks when Hitler came to power, not to mention that bastards got a foot hold through out the history of the RCC and you can see why it's a fact if you bother to look into it all.
    Not to mention that no Church organisation is immune to such corruption.

    I agree with Taken post no 9 about what the Church is.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    However, this is not what baptism means within the Bible. This is the Catholic spin on baptism -- baptismal justification and regeneration.
     
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