Is this the reason unbelievers don't get a free pass.

[pittsburghjoe]

So the human sacrifice made it an all or nothing type of deal.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)

via user throughfaith

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ephesians 1:4 (King James Version)

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

Wouldn't this mean everyone is in the body of Christ by default? The death would also be for everyone by default. There are still additional steps for anyone to be saved.

 

[Kobo]

I'm asking if Jesus died for sins of those that don't believe. Maybe it is only original sin for them ..not their specific sins.

Jesus Christ did not die for sins of those who do not believe in Him. Beginning with Adam, those who die in their unbelief are condemned to die (perish/cease to exist) in their graves. That is the condemnation of sin which is Death.

God did not create man with eternal life and since Adam did not eat from the tree of Life, back in the garden of Eden, He never got eternal life, meaning he and his seed who sinned, without eternal life, perish in their graves. That is so to this day -all those who do not believe in God perish in their graves.

Now, to those who choose to believe in God through Jesus Christ, they are first redeemed from the condemnation of sin, which is Death, and gifted with eternal life - where that eternal life is eventually spent depends on the choices the one who Is gifted makes after wards.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There is difference between being in Christ so He can atone for our sins and being baptized into Him.

Jesus offered the first step to salvation for free to all. The key difference being there are more steps.

When we become baptized and open the door to Christ, we are no longer fallen souls. We have to live out our lives in these sinful bodies, but that is only temporary. Christ died for all sinful bodies, but it doesn't do any good if our souls remain fallen. We have to commit to the Truth.

Could there be a difference between being in Christ before and after He raised?

Are all sins beforehand and knowing Christ afterwards?
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There isn't a requirement for all sins to be injected into Human Born Christ. There is a faith requirement in the Risen Christ for it to matter. Both involve being in Christ, but being in Christ via sin ended. We have been arguing about the timeline of Human Born Christ.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

2 Corinthians 5:15 - “15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.”

Jesus had our sins before we lived it.

Our fallen body history was entangled and/or wave collapsed to Christ while He was alive so that He could atone for all sins. Current day, we entangle our minds and hearts to the Truth.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Non-local waves would be stuff God didn't need to know about because sin can only occur to what is real to this reality.