Israel, the Church, and the Rapture
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I don't know anyone who believes what I believe. It's taken the Lord a long time to get me to believe it. Lol
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I See it as the sign of His coming, I see the rapture in Revelation 11:18, Which in my timeline is preceded by the sixth seal, within days. Between the sixth seal and the seventh trumpet there is a number of Judgements that are handed down, for example the sealing of the 144k, the Little scroll of Revelation 10, The Three angels of Revelation 14.
Where in relation to the Olivette Discourse do you see the rapture occuring?
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At the verse you quoted, Matthew 21:31. But is speaks of the sign, His coming follows the sign of His coming. Which is also Revelation 11:18. I Do not know how many days between the sign and His coming No man knows But I would say no more than a week. Just Like during the delivery of a child you do not know exactly the day or the hour, You just Know when it is close.
Very interesting. I get so choked up when I am thinking about Ephra'im. It's such a sad story. Thank you
What is the sign?
I believe it is the Son of Man Himself, because of the grammar of the verse. What is your thought?
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And I see the rapture being mid trib, pre mark, pre wrath, and premillennial.
In fact Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21 all show the sequence of the AOD/SOP event from the middle of Daniels 70th week, followed by a rapture.
In Matthew 24 the son of perdition mid trib event is in verse 15, followed by a rapture in verse 30, for example.
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Do you see the church being gathered to Jesus at the same time Israel is regathered to their land? The gathering of the elect in vs. 31?
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We do not know exactly what that sign is but it is the sixth seal. I can surmise that it is the sky rolling up like a scroll, which is the one thing that differs from the Matthew 24:29-30 account and the Revelation 6:12-14. Read the two passages as parallel accounts to see this, Below.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Revelation 6:12-14)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:29-30)
Just to answer this, I see the sealing of the 144K being the start of the regrafting of the natural branch onto the vine.
I am. Myself and Curtis disagree on the Minutia. from what I can tell, He sees the GT and the time of Jacob's trouble as one in the same, I see them as different with the GT before JT. The church will face the GT, But not JT.
"marks, post: 1097793, member: 7985" - I happen to have the idea that there will be a pre-trib rapture. I also think that Israel is a distinct nation chosen by God, and that God will continue to fulfill His promises to Jacob's children.
I know a number of people who are not pre-trib in their understanding of when the rapture will occur, and who also see in some fashion that the Church is now Israel.
Is there anyone who sees Israel and the Church separately as I do, and who is not pre-trib?
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I know a number of people who are not pre-trib in their understanding of when the rapture will occur, and who also see in some fashion that the Church is now Israel.
Is there anyone who sees Israel and the Church separately as I do, and who is not pre-trib?
Much love!
Your OP is about Israel and the rapture, My Comments are about Israel and the Rapture.
I Answered your question in comment # 31, Please respond to that then. I do not know why you are so upset?
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A Pre-Trib Rapture Is Found No Place In Scripture, A Fabrication Of Man, Promoted By John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield
The Church Is The Israel Of God, The Twelve Tribes Scattered Abroad
James 1:1-4KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Wikipedia: John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren, and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.
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