Israel will be Darkened

[Eric E Stahl]

Revelation 16:10-11
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Where will the seat of the beast be in the tribulation period?

Daniel 11:36-39 (666)
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

(666 will come from the most strong country but end the tribulation in Israel.)

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.(Israel)

 

[John S]

O.K. - but none of this has begun yet.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

O.K. - but none of this has begun yet.

I agree!

 

[shturt678s]

O.K. - but none of this has begun yet.

I thank you folks for caring again for sure!

Rev.16:11-11 I adamantly agree to disagree as off the top this 'practical personification (the dark pall of forever doom overhead) "this darkness" has been coming to pass where we're even at the bitter end of the "tribulation, the great one." Brother John...this passage will be challenge to all of us. Granted Rev.16:12, etc. hasn't happened yet, however right round the next corner.

Old Jack digging in too thanks to you too brother Stan

 

[John S]

The Tribulation has NOT begun yet.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

Where will the seat of the beast be in the tribulation period?

Israel is the spirit of Antichrist.

And when [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified [i.e. Jerusalem]. --.Rev. 11:7, 8

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, sojourner4Christ.

Israel is the spirit of Antichrist.

And when [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified [i.e. Jerusalem]. --.Rev. 11:7, 8

And it is this very attitude that encourages so many Christians - people who CLAIM the name of Christ - to be anti-Semitic! WHEN the Beast comes after the two witnesses, He will COME TO Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) to defeat them! That does NOT make Yerushalayim the "seat of the Beast!" Get your facts straight BEFORE making accusations!

Shalom, Eric.

Revelation 16:10-11
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Where will the seat of the beast be in the tribulation period?

Daniel 11:36-39 (666)
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

(666 will come from the most strong country but end the tribulation in Israel.)

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.(Israel)

You have no authority to claim that Dani'el 11 is about the "antichrist," or rather, the "Beast." That is a fictitious equating of the prophecy in Dani'el 11 with the prophecy in Revelation 16! They are like two separate pieces of the puzzle that do NOT fit together but are being FORCED together! They're not even from the same puzzle! While Revelation 16 has NOT YET been fulfilled, Dani'el 11 HAS already been fulfilled PRIOR to the First Advent or Coming of the Messiah, Yeshua`! Read the books more closely and completely before making wild claims for what they are talking about! LISTEN TO THE AUTHORS FIRST!

 

[tooldtocare]

The end is near for the child killers

(Ezek 21:25 KJV) And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

(Ezek 21:31 KJV) And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

(Ezek 21:32 KJV) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

Jerusalem To Be The World Capital

Shimon Peres, the leader of the Labor Party of Israel, publicly stated that this is the course of action he will pursue.

On July 21st, 2003, the former Prime Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, shocked the entire world when he proposed that Jerusalem be selected as the "World Capital" of the emerging one world government. The Peres press release stated that the competing claims on the various holy sites in Jerusalem that are desired by Islamic, Christian, and Jewish interests could be satisfied if a larger governing body were to assume jurisdiction of the city.

Although the proposal is calculated to resolve the seething religious tension in Israel, there was no mistaking the central idea that is implied in the proposed internationalization of Jerusalem. For example, the prestigious news bureau World Net Daily reacted to the proposal by publishing the following headline: Jerusalem Touted As World's Capital.

As it that wasn't enough, the Israeli newspaper Maariv stated that as part of Shimon Peres' proposal for the internationalization of Jerusalem, the United Nations would be the political body that is to be placed in charge. Incredibly, Peres wants the Secretary-General of the United Nations to act as the "Mayor" of Jerusalem.

It should be obvious that in any city in the world, the Mayor of that city lives there -- thus, this political proposal is subtly suggesting that the Secretary-General of the United Nations should move to Jerusalem. This would make the ancient metropolis the de facto world headquarters of the UN.

 

[shturt678s]

The Tribulation has NOT begun yet.

Thank you brother John!

So do you believe that Rev.6:2 hasn't happened yet, along with Rev.7:14 hasn't even begun yet? No sarcasm this time my brother.

Old "Nowist" Amill. Jack

Israel is the spirit of Antichrist.

And when [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified [i.e. Jerusalem]. --.Rev. 11:7, 8

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Curious? Do you feel that Rev.11:7, 8 hasn't occurred yet also?

Old "nowist" Amill. Jack

Shalom, sojourner4Christ.


And it is this very attitude that encourages so many Christians - people who CLAIM the name of Christ - to be anti-Semitic! WHEN the Beast comes after the two witnesses, He will COME TO Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) to defeat them! That does NOT make Yerushalayim the "seat of the Beast!" Get your facts straight BEFORE making accusations!

Shalom, Eric.


You have no authority to claim that Dani'el 11 is about the "antichrist," or rather, the "Beast." That is a fictitious equating of the prophecy in Dani'el 11 with the prophecy in Revelation 16! They are like two separate pieces of the puzzle that do NOT fit together but are being FORCED together! They're not even from the same puzzle! While Revelation 16 has NOT YET been fulfilled, Dani'el 11 HAS already been fulfilled PRIOR to the First Advent or Coming of the Messiah, Yeshua`! Read the books more closely and completely before making wild claims for what they are talking about! LISTEN TO THE AUTHORS FIRST!

Thank you for caring again!

One of the advantages of being of such a lower paygrade I can render an opinion and can be in error without our Lord getting offended, ie, Rev.11:36, etc. is a description of the Antichrist...only an opinion.

Old two-bits Jack

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Jack.

Thank you for caring again!

One of the advantages of being of such a lower paygrade I can render an opinion and can be in error without our Lord getting offended, ie, Rev.11:36, etc. is a description of the Antichrist...only an opinion.

Old two-bits Jack

Sorry, bro', but you need to do the research. This verse DANIEL 11:36 is part of the passage about Herod the Great (Dan. 11:36-39). It was HE to whom this messenger from God referred!

 

[shturt678s]

Shalom, Jack.


Sorry, bro', but you need to do the research. This verse DANIEL 11:36 is part of the passage about Herod the Great (Dan. 11:36-39). It was HE to whom this messenger from God referred!

Thank you again....stated Rev. when should have used Dan.11:36. You could be correct, however my lower paygrade view of Dan.11:36-12:3 is about the Antichrist and his overthrow, and the consummation.

The evidence against this section referring to Antiochus Ephiphanes is overwhelming due to the exact historical parallels fail utterly. it's a direct prophecy of the Antichrist.

Old Jack's opinion

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Jack.

Thank you again....stated Rev. when should have used Dan.11:36. You could be correct, however my lower paygrade view of Dan.11:36-12:3 is about the Antichrist and his overthrow, and the consummation.

The evidence against this section referring to Antiochus Ephiphanes is overwhelming due to the exact historical parallels fail utterly. it's a direct prophecy of the Antichrist.

Old Jack's opinion

Well, that's your opinion, but you have no Scriptural authority to make the CLAIM that "it's a direct prophecy of the Antichrist." When you voice such a claim without the Scriptural backing, you're pushing YOUR opinion! All of the rest of this passage WAS fulfilled in the past from the last five kings of Persia through Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Why would the text then JUMP FAR INTO THE FUTURE for some disconnected prophecy about this "Antichrist" figure? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

Shalom, Jack.


Well, that's your opinion, but you have no Scriptural authority to make the CLAIM that "it's a direct prophecy of the Antichrist." When you voice such a claim without the Scriptural backing, you're pushing YOUR opinion! All of the rest of this passage WAS fulfilled in the past from the last five kings of Persia through Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Why would the text then JUMP FAR INTO THE FUTURE for some disconnected prophecy about this "Antichrist" figure? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

The antichrist will divide Israel to gain peace. They will build the temple. The Psalm 83 confederace will attack Israel but the antichrist who leeds the most strogholds will help Israel and set up his camp in Israel for the tribulation period.



Daniel 11:39-45
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

[shturt678s]

Shalom, Jack.


Well, that's your opinion, but you have no Scriptural authority to make the CLAIM that "it's a direct prophecy of the Antichrist." When you voice such a claim without the Scriptural backing, you're pushing YOUR opinion! All of the rest of this passage WAS fulfilled in the past from the last five kings of Persia through Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Why would the text then JUMP FAR INTO THE FUTURE for some disconnected prophecy about this "Antichrist" figure? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Thank you again for viewing my opinion! Sorry late on the response....rebuking a few hurricanes, and had to help clean up the water.

Had a feeling you were going this direction thus now will present my chief reasons contextually and grammatically for my opinion as follows. In the first place, over against the contention that there is nothing that would indicate a transition to another subject it must be remembered that there is a factor in v.35 which is just such a transition. This factor is the remark that the smelting, sifting, and purifying were to continue "until the time of the end." That means that the sifting spoken of shall be the mark of all history that follows until the very end my brother.

As far as that end may seem to lie in the future, we were assured that "yet at the time appointed it shall come." With that remark the needed transition is complete. By not heeding carefully that it was a transition interpreters have overlooked the fact that a new subject was taken up in v.36 my friend.

Enough has been said about this cruel king to fortify the people of God against the ills they shall suffer at his hands. It's remarkable that so much should have been said. We might have expected less wouldn't you think? In any case, for the present there's no need of anything more, correct?

Old Jack's opinion with a Scripture

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Eric.

The antichrist will divide Israel to gain peace. They will build the temple. The Psalm 83 confederace will attack Israel but the antichrist who leeds the most strogholds will help Israel and set up his camp in Israel for the tribulation period.



Daniel 11:39-45
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

If you're going to insist on basing all this hypothesis on a confused interpretation of a FULFILLED prophetic passage, then you will continue to mess this up. These verses are neither talking about the Antichrist nor are they about the future at all! They were fulfilled in the past by such figures as Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Herod the Great, and Caesar Augustus.

It is not wise to use Dani'el 11 for presumed prophecy about the Antichrist!

 

[shturt678s]

The antichrist will divide Israel to gain peace. They will build the temple. The Psalm 83 confederace will attack Israel but the antichrist who leeds the most strogholds will help Israel and set up his camp in Israel for the tribulation period.



Daniel 11:39-45
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

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Dan.11:39, "and divide the land" is not a suitable rendering here. The world rather means pro praemio (forget the exact spelling), as a reward. As a reward for the recognition accorded to him, viz. "and shall apportion land as a reward."

Old Jack's opinion

 

[Eric E Stahl]

Before Armageddon the sun and moon will stand still over Israel forming a solar eclipce during witch no light will shine on Israel.

Habakkuk 3:11-13
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

 

[shturt678s]

Before Armageddon the sun and moon will stand still over Israel forming a solar eclipce during witch no light will shine on Israel.

Habakkuk 3:11-13
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

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Armageddon = "1" future Parousia = Hab.3:11-13.

Old Jack's opinion

 

[Eric E Stahl]

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Armageddon = "1" future Parousia = Hab.3:11-13.

Old Jack's opinion

After Armageddon the judgment of the sheep and the goats comes next.


Matthew 25
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.