It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[Rollo Tamasi]

You KNOW they do.
I like the incense.
It's a nice odor to God's nostrils.
2 Corinthians 2:14-15

and many more...

Oh really, you saying you are a hunk of incence?
Interesting.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

I hope you don't plan on trying to stuff that thing down my throat.
Then you'll really have your hands full.

What are you talking about??

 

[BreadOfLife]

There's also not one shred of evidence that she didn't have other children.
So what's your point?

That's as silly as saying that there is no evidence that Jesus wasn't married.

It's not my job to prove a negative.
It's YOUR job to prove a claim that Mary had other children.

This is Debating 101, son . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

That's as silly as saying that there is no evidence that Jesus wasn't married.

It's not my job to prove a negative.
It's YOUR job to prove a claim that Mary had other children.

This is Debating 101, son . . .

I think he'll like that!

 

[GodsGrace]

@Rollo Tamasi

We're here to debate.
NOT to speak about God.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's as silly as saying that there is no evidence that Jesus wasn't married.

It's not my job to prove a negative.
It's YOUR job to prove a claim that Mary had other children.

This is Debating 101, son . . .

It's NOT your job too prove a negative...
So HOW do you prove Mary DIDN'T have other children???

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well Curious Mary,
I still say that because someone does not agree it does not make them dishonest.

Here's an example using a document YOU quoted:
The Protevangelium of James,
Chapter 18:

18. And he found a cave there, and led her into it; and leaving his two sons beside her, he went out to seek a widwife in the district of Bethlehem.

It's "James" telling the story of Mary's birth and her voyage to Bethlehem. The above is saying that Joseph left his two sons with Mary and went to look for a midwife.

1. I've always said that the other children might be half brothers of Jesus. This document would seem to prove that. I say "seem to" because there is some question as to its authenticity.

2. Do you notice that it says that Joseph left his two sons with Mary?
Does it mention this in the account of Luke? No.
So because it is NOT mentioned, does that mean it didn't happen?

If something is mentioned in the N.T., we can be sure that it happened.
If something is NOT mentioned, we cannot be sure that it did NOT actually HAPPEN.

Without looking for it now, there is one gospel writer that says there were two demon possessed men that went to Jesus.
Another gospel writer says that there was one demon possessed man that went to Jesus.
So we could be SURE that there was at least ONE.
Probably two but for some reason the other wasn't mentioned in one of the gospels.

So because the bible does not state names of siblings does not mean they did not exist.

And anyway, they are mentioned but you refuse to accept it.
Mathew 13:55
"His mother, Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas."
NASB

Correction:
IF Joseph had children from a previous marriage - they would be STEP-siblings, not HALF-siblings.

 

[GodsGrace]

Correction:
IF Joseph had children from a previous marriage - they would be STEP-siblings, not HALF-siblings.

So would step siblings be accepted by you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary, the majority does not rule.
Your claims are ludicrous.

And your silence on the matter is even more ludicrous.
You have YET to show one shred of Scripture - or ANY historical document regarding the idea that Mary had "other" children.

Denial is not an argument.
It's desperation . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So would step siblings be accepted by you?

It's quite possible that Jesus had step-siblings.
The one thing we know for sure is that they weren't Mary's children.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's NOT your job too prove a negative...
So HOW do you prove Mary DIDN'T have other children???

That's just it - YOU guys are the ones telling us to prove this negative.

All we are saying is that there is NO evidence - Scriptural OR historical that shows Mary having ANY other children besides Jesus.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And your silence on the matter is even more ludicrous.
You have YET to show one shred of Scripture - or ANY historical document regarding the idea that Mary had "other" children.

Denial is not an argument.
It's desperation . . .

You're the one that's desperate for an argument.
Keep begging.....

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

It's quite possible that Jesus had step-siblings.
The one thing we know for sure is that they weren't Mary's children.

I once read that Mary had 12 kids, 8 boys and 4 girls.
I think it was a book written by a nun...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Too bad it's not Scripture.
But catholics use other books, don't they?

It's a historical document.
I'll tell you what - show me a historical document that says Mary had "other" children and I'll take you seriously.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

It's a historical document.
I'll tell you what - show me a historical document that says Mary had "other" children and I'll take you seriously.

No you won't.
You'll find some other reason not to agree, that's the way you are.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're the one that's desperate for an argument.
Keep begging.....

No - we've shown with Scripture and extra-biblical historical documents that Mary never had another child besides Jesus.
The ball is in YOUR court, sparky.

Show me ONE shred of evidence that she did and you'll win the debate . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I once read that Mary had 12 kids, 8 boys and 4 girls.
I think it was a book written by a nun...

It's not a historical document.

I can write a book showing that she gave birth to space aliens - but that doesn't prove squat.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No - we've shown with Scripture and extra-biblical historical documents that Mary never had another child besides Jesus.
The ball is in YOUR court, sparky.

Show me ONE shred of evidence that she did and you'll win the debate . . .

You will never admit to losing.
I asked you 7 questions in post #721 and you still haven't answered anything.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It gets cut up into tiny little pieces.
Then the priest and those around the altar get first picks.
Then it goes into the cup to the parishoners.

Wrong.

If you're talking about the consecrated host - it ONLY get's broken up into smaller pieces if it's an extra large host. If it's a smaller host, the priest consumes it all.
Nobody around the altar gets "first picks".

As for the Cup that goes to the parishioners - that holds the Precious Blood of Christ.
The Ciborium is where the consecrated hosts are held.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You will never admit to losing.
I asked you 7 questions in post #721 and you still haven't answered anything.

Apparently, you're run out of ammunition and useful information on this topic.
Next time - bring something bigger than a pea-shooter to a gunfight . . .