Mary,
Again, that's false. I gave you the full quote for 'a brother' in Thayer's Greek lexicon. You gave only 2 words. Therefore, I gave a fuller definition of the meaning of
adelphos and Thayer said it included,
(the current opinion among the doctors of the church
since Jerome and Augustine (cf. Lightfoot's Commentary on Galatians, diss. ii.)), according to that use of language by which
ἀδελφός like the Hebrew אָח
denotes any blood-relation or kinsman (
Genesis 14:16;
1 Samuel 20:29;
2 Kings 10:13;
1 Chronicles 23:2, etc.), but own brothers, born after Jesus, is clear principally from
Matthew 1:25 (only in R G);
Luke 2:7 — where, had Mary borne no other children after Jesus, instead of υἱόν πρωτότοκον, the expression υἱόν μονογενῆ would have been used
Your claim is:
Not according to Thayer where he cause the opinion of the church fathers (the doctors of the church) since Augustine is that
adelphos means 'any blood-relation or kinsman'. It is you who doesn't want to agree with the etymology of
adelphos in the Greek lexicon by Thayer.
Your statement in #538 is:
I've showed you in this post that it is not throwing away 2,000 years of Christian belief to not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. Thayer has pointed out that
adelphos, '
denotes any blood-relation or kinsman' - this was the opinion the church fathers
from the time of Jerome & Augustine. It's not 2,000 years. Jerome lived and 'own brothers, born after Jesus, is clear principally from
Matthew 1:25 (only in R G);
Luke 2:7 — where, had Mary borne no other children after Jesus, instead of υἱόν πρωτότοκον, the expression υἱόν μονογενῆ would have been used'. You don't want to agree with Thayer, do you?
Jerome's life span was ca 347 – 420. St Augustine of Hippo's life span was ca. 354 – 430. So from the time of the 5th century,
adelphos was accepted as meaning 'blood-relation or kinsman'. While some Protestant leaders from the time of the Reformation did believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, that is not my experience in the contemporary, Evangelical, Protestant Church. In fact, by using the
Many Christian leaders do/did not believe in the perpetual virginity, e.g.
Timothy George [Dean of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University].
Your statement, 'Oz, who throws away 2,000 years of Christian belief and teaching? Oz who accepts a 500 year tradition? Or Mary who accepts what has always been since the beginning of Christianity?', committed the
Genetic Fallacy.
Oz