James = son of Zebedee = Mk 1:19
James = son of Alphaeus= Acts 1:13
Q.E.D = twinc
so then which one was Mary's son
James = son of Alphaeus= Acts 1:13
Q.E.D = twinc
so then which one was Mary's son
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James and James !?
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Galatians 1:19 "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother". if one use the the word G80 ἀδελφός adelphos (a-d̮el-fos') in this case it would be of no used. for the verse qualified it's use. by saying "the Lord's brother" and not "our brother" as in 2 Corinthians 8:22 "And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you". but in direct relation to only his kin in flesh. scripture, Mark 6:1-6 "And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching".
now if James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon was his brothers in the faith why not mention by name the other 9 disciples also, since they was his brothers also, if one use G80 ἀδελφός. adelphos.
now if James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon was his brothers in the faith why not mention by name the other 9 disciples also, since they was his brothers also, if one use G80 ἀδελφός. adelphos.
If you are referring to Jesus's Mother, Mary of Joseph, then neither James of Zebedee nor James of Alphaeus was Her son. The only "James" believed to be Her son is the one from Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, despite him not being called the son of Joseph and Mary, nor the sibling of Jesus.
Twinc hasn’t been around for years so I doubt you will get a response, he was quite elderly back in 2017 when this post was made. Use to see him on another forum, but he hasn’t been on that one for years either.
He is not in the chosen 12 nor a following believer of Jesus, because it is written that;
John 7:
5. For neither did His brethren believe in Him.
There's no Jesus' brothers mentioned in John 5:7.
First of all do you understand the topic of this tread?
Shalom
To find out the identity of Mary of Joseph's believed to be "son" named "James."
I meant Jn. 7:5. Who do you believe Jesus's brothers in Jn. 7:5 were?
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Between two James the disciples of Jesus, which one is the son of Mary?
Yes you meant 7:5, and again you quote the same 5:7, get yourself together and focus.
Shalom
I explained to the OP that neither of the two apostles named "James" were the son of Jesus's Mother, Mary, which leaves the identity of this supposed son of Hers named "James" still unknown, and thus finding that out is ultimately the topic of this thread.
That's what I just said. So, who do you believe Jesus's brothers in Jn. 7:5 were?
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Since you've edited your #11, but #12 your mistake evidence is still there, am just being real before we move on.
Next, who do you believe Jesus' brothers in Jn. 7:5 were?
They are just His half brothers from Joseph and Mary, besides His sisters.
But James the half brother of Jesus, took position as 'elder' to the church in Jerusalem, while Peter the 'Overseer'.
After you pointed out that I wrote Jn. 5:7 again, I said, "I meant to say "Jn. 7:5," then you said, "Yes you meant Jn. 7:5," and I said, "That's what I just said" as in "I just said that's what I meant to say."
In Scripture, only Jesus is called the son of Joseph and Mary (Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3).
In this scene, the brothers of Jesus were two of His four cousins, Joseph and Simon of Alphaeus, who at that time didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, though they later came to believe. I know this not from any of the accounts of the Four Evangelists, as they are incomplete, but rather from The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, a multi-volume book that's an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ by Jesus through His spokesperson, Maria Valtorta.
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Mark 6:
3. Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not His sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Mathew 13:
55. Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56. And His sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
These are firsthand eye witnesses who declare them as Jesus' brothers and sisters, and not cousins. Apparently after the divine birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary begot further 4 sons and 2 daughters.
Mary's calling was to conceive and give birth to Christ, and later together with Joseph begot other 6 children. And parent them all 7, until Jesus reach the age of 30, to take the role as Son of the MOST HIGH GOD.
The Koine Greek word used in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3 is "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or 'brothers," has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative." The context in these verses shows that the definition "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative" applies, and it can refer to various types of family members, e.g., siblings, cousins, nephews, nieces, uncles, aunts, etc. Therefore, one shouldn't read the word "brothers" and just assume it refers to half-siblings, or any other type of family member.
I know that Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3 were His cousins because of the evidence that proves they were the sons of His mother's spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus); that James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of the four were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus; and that James of Alphaeus of the four, "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just," "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of The Epistle of James" were the same person.
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1 Corinthians 14:
33. For GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Am sticking to 'Sola Scriptural', for our forefathers who by the gift of the Holy Ghost translated without confusion. They did not translate word to word from Greek to English, since it will make no sense. But rather translated based on what the Greek writer in context is expressing in his mother tongue.
Therefore am sticking to they are His half brothers and sisters in one household of Joseph and Mary. Am skeptical, there are only 6 cousins from the side of Joseph and Mary, when there should be more than that. In Israel there are many Jews who share the same name from one another, but are addressed together with the head of the family for verification.
Firstly, pick any language you want, and you'll find that Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) aren't explicitly called Jesus's half-siblings, nor any other type of family member. Secondly, Mary was an only child, and again, Joseph only had one brother named "Alphaeus," who had four sons: Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus), and thus Jesus had four cousins, not six.
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