James Was Not Talking about Faith in Jesus Christ for Salvation

[Bible Highlighter]

Ephesians 2:8-9
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast”

 

[praise_yeshua]

Give evidence that the book of James is not Jesus' brother.

Give evidence that James is not Jesus' brother. Nearly all scholars believe James is written by Jesus' brother.

Like I said. You use a majority argument ONLY when it meets your requirement. You promote a corrupt English translation of the Bible in the KJV. That isn't a majority position.

Why are all these men lying?

All men lie. Some knowingly lie. Many don't realize what they are saying is a lie. Same result either way. A lie is believed.

I can tell you the majority of these men believe in faith alone. So, they have good reason to discredit James as not authentic but they don't.

You are in the fringe group of conspiracy theorists.

I simply believe the truth. I have no other agenda. I am loyal the Truth in Jesus Christ. Not in anyone else. I fellowship with anyone that names the name of Christ but I don't believe what anyone says because of who they are or what they are to me. Christ alone is worthy of undying, unfeigned loyality.

You can't argue the details of how James is established. You're floundering terribly. There is a reason for this..... You're believing a lie.

 

[Titus]

Ephesians 2:8-9
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast”

Can man boast of believing in God?
His faith saves him, why not boast of faith?

Paul is not teaching faith alone salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9.

Paul is teaching meritorious works are not involved in salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9.

What works can man boast about? Works that have earned him salvation.
Since salvation cannot be earned period. Works of merit cannot save.
Works of God, do save.
Therefore Paul is not teaching faith alone salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9.
Paul is teaching no works of merit are in salvation.
Faith alone excludes works. This is impossible.
For we are saved by the works of God like faith, John 6:28-29.

Faith alone salvation goes against Paul's gospel.
Ephesians 2:8-9;10
For by Grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast,
-for we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works.

 

[Titus]

Note: We cannot speculate on what happened prior of the thief’s life. All we have is the testimony of Scripture to go by here.

First the thief on the cross was saved under the old testament law of Moses. He is not how we are saved today under, the new covenant of Jesus' gospel.
Therefore the thief is no example or proof of salvation by the gospel of Jesus Christ. His will and testament was not yet in effect because He was still alive when He saved the thief. Therefore the thief was saved under the old law of Moses, Hevrews 9:16-17.

Speculation would be the position Fath onlyist, take when they say as fact, the thief was not baptized.
No one can give any evidence that the thief was not obedient to God, before Jesus forgave him, and saved him. Christians sin and forfeit their salvation. To be saved a Christian must repent of sins, 1John 1:9. The thief could have been saved already by John's baptism, Mark 1:4. Then the thief only needed Jesus to forgive him of his sins, which Jesus did.
It is wrong to say, that the thief had no obedience to God prior to his sin of stealing that ultimately led to his crucifixion.
We simply do not know the life of the thief. It is possible he was not baptized prior to being crucified.
Jesus saved him because he(thief) had Godly sorrow for his sins. He believed in Jesus.
To claim Jesus saved him based on faith only is speculation.
It is possible he was baptized,
Mark 1:4-5.

The thief was not saved without obedience.
The thief could have been an obedient jew. We do not know. Very little information is given about the thief on the cross.
What we do know is he had godly sorrow for his sins and he believed in Jesus.
Godly sorrow leads to a change of mind that results in a change of lifestyle,
2Corinthians 7:10,
-For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation.

The thief had to have a sorrow for stealing. If he had no godly sorrow for his sins.
Jesus would not have forgiven his sins and saved him.
The thief was not saved by faith only. He had a repentant heart.
Besides faith itself is a work, John 6:28-29.
Therefore there is no such thing as salvation completely absent from works.

What we need to be focusing on is how we are saved after Christ's death on the cross under His new covenant.
Now all today must be saved by the gospel of Jesus Christ.
That gospel was not commanded when the thief died. It came later.

All examples of Jesus directly saving folks in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ARE BEFORE HIS GOSPEL WAS IN FORCE.
None of these folks are examples of how we are saved today, read Hebrews 9:16-17.

Acts chapter 2 is when Jesus gospel came into effect. We must be saved the way folks were saved in the book of Acts. That is salvation by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Titus]

Paul taught the Ephesians that grace, faith and merit is not how man is saved.
Paul in fact taught the Ephesians the gospel of Jesus Christ in Acts 19:1-7.
Paul did not teach them to just believe to be saved.
Paul water baptized them for the forgiveness of their sins, Acts 2:38 ; Acts 22:16; 1Peter 3:20-21 ; Acts 8.
The Ephesians were first water baptized for the forgiveness of their sins in John's baptism.
John's baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, Mark 1:4-5.
Just as the baptism in Jesus' name is for the forgiveness of sins, Acts 2:38.
Just as Paul had his sins washed away, Acts 22:16.
Just as Peter taught baptism doth also now save us, 1Peter 3:20-21.

Paul and the rest of the apostles never taught Jesus' gospel was salvation by faith and no obedience.
Jesus taught faith and obeying the gospel is how we are saved, Mark 16:15-16.